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Asian ERA |OT| We don't AGE
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It sucks that some body knows nothing about me could take so much wind out of my sails with a simple gesture.
Do people use it outside the context of math? You are a trailblazing here.
Yea. It's definitely one of those things that can make me a bit melancholy for the rest of the day. It used to happen to me a lot in the Midwest (no Asian ppl in STL, lol) and prior to that it happened to me in Japan (because I'm very clearly not 100 percent Japanese). You never get used to it, but over time I laugh more at it then I get mad about it.
No matter whatever Pet says, we all know it is photos of the catering.
Honestly, I ignore them. If you actually want to get back at them, ignoring them is the best way to go. (Hi, Indian who grew up in a relatively rural area in the US). They get fucking fuuuurious as soon as you leave.
Hey, I went to school in STL. :D There are plenty of asians in STL! In the most amazingly stereotypical way ever (medical fields booming in STL and more asians coming because of it. I laugh because it is true).
Pet - eh the asian hating is just done in more subtle ways here, or usually in the middle of a thread. The indian men one was very, very instructive about how non asian ERA men and women see asian men. The racism and sexism is pretty real, and those posters making fun of asian masculinity are all the performance artists "omg sexism and racism" posters in other threads. I've mentioned privately my thoughts on that whole thing - and I think I get those thoughts confirmed more and more.
I am a strong believer that cultural dominance of American leads to widespread racism against both Asian men and women.
The women get hyper sexualized ( more so if they are in a group of asian women while traveling iirc from a recent article ) while the men get emasculated.
I used to wonder why there's such strong preferences for western people on all things western-centric in entertainment whereas Asian folks are far more open minded.
You're not wrong to say, era, a place that leads further on the left than most places have plenty of supposedly progressive people having inherent prejudices on Asian.
They do not fucking care about Asian, period. It has been normalized by the media they consumed since young.
The women get hyper sexualized ( more so if they are in a group of asian women while traveling iirc from a recent article ) while the men get emasculated.
I used to wonder why there's such strong preferences for western people on all things western-centric in entertainment whereas Asian folks are far more open minded.
You're not wrong to say, era, a place that leads further on the left than most places have plenty of supposedly progressive people having inherent prejudices on Asian.
They do not fucking care about Asian, period. It has been normalized by the media they consumed since young.
You are correct that there were a more Asians in Hospitals/med tech in STL than the city overall, haha. I hung out a lot in 2 places: CWE, cause my GF was going to med school, and out a little further west, where we lived. There were a few Asians in the former and then like nobody out in the latter.
Overall, I'm happier living on the West Coast, where there are more Asians. Berkeley has something like 40-50 percent Asian/Asian Americans admitted and it's a very different environment.
Heh, I lived near CWE (went to school at SLU), and spent a ton of time in CWE. I'd move back there in a heartbeat if some personal stuff got sorted out. :/
It's weird being sort of understood out here on the coasts - but I do find that the racism on the coasts (primarily minorities towards each other) is waaay more malicious. I have been pretty disappointed in what passes for the progressive caucus out here, because it's really superficial about diversity and Asians don't "count" as a minority in modern progressive land (as Jews and Eastern Europeans also nod their heads). Intersectionality out here (and especially on ERA) seems to be a morally righteous framing of "I want shit for myself and I'm a combination of minorities, ergo I am more important" rather than "I want other groups that I'm not a part of to be included".
They made Randall Park try to speak Mandarin in Fresh off the Boat. He did his best, at least, but yeah. lol
I wouldn't, honestly. I enjoyed the Chess scene in Saint Louis, and I did like the cute shops in CWE, Delmar, the Loop, and Forest Park. But I wasn't crazy about the number of times I got called out there and the further out you go the worse that it got. It's like that in all places to some extent, but rural MO has got to be among the worst experiences that I've had in terms of racists.
West Coast Racism is disappointing, but at least I can hang around Asians and actually get some decent food (STL has no good Japanese places, IMO).
Depends on what you like to do. I mean, the primary draw in SF is food, so go find a good place to eat is what I'd say first. If you are into video games/arcades you can check out The Emporium, it just opened up. You can also check out Folsom Street Foundry for a more chill vibe. There are a number of comedy clubs that you can get really cheap (like 10-15 dollar) tickets for if you like stand up. If you have a car, drive out to Pacifica, HMB, or up to Miur Woods. If you want to go further, I think the seals are still hanging around beaches too. That's what I've been doing lately.
Hehe, I grew up in rural IL, so the rural racism part basically bothers me zero. :D
It leads to a really weird dynamic where they are openly racist but very caring / kind / loving towards you as a person, versus out here where people respect the race but not the individual people.
getting real sick of having people dismiss the model minority like it's not a problem. a lot also comes from non asian minorities which is incredible to see and comes off as selfish. part of me feels like it's almost a "fuck you if i get mine, idk why you're complaining - you're asian" mentality
Hey brother, I completely agree. It was bad on gaf, but here in Era? It's worse because for some strange reason, we have to have some mythical middle ground, where "no one's" feelings can get hurt and we all know who that "no one" is and what they represent. When there are people accusing me of being a shitposter from /hapas, I honestly don't have much hope that this type of situation will ever improve here when I'm pretty milquetoast.
Holy shit, I thought I was the only one who experienced this. I grew up in a relatively small city, and I almost prefer the former overt but caring racism than the latter at times...
Meh, I always find the overt racism but caring individual to be VERY indicative of the whole "one of the good ones" mentality, which I loathe almost more than anything else.
That being said, not like I experienced much of either so..
That being said, not like I experienced much of either so..
Absolutely prefer over but caring. Without a second thought.
Difference is, if shit goes wrong, the first group would actually be there for me. The second group would just post on facebook / twitter about structural racism and not do anything.
That depends on what you define as "being there for you", really.
The most recent case was opening up their place for me to live on a moment's notice (for what ended up being 10 months) when my life went completely sideways, and feeding me / praying with me every night / counselor / and straight up second family.
The first time I saw this was when another family drove an hour to come get me from STL, take me to their house, where they made me dinner, went to a HS football game (son was being scouted), drove me and their daughter back to STL for a date we had (Avril Lavigne concert, lol), and then came and got us afterward, let me stay overnight, breakfast, and then drove me back into STL to meet with my parents to take me back to my home for the summer.
No, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying I'm not going to throw flowers at people who do this sort of thing for minorities or a member of another disadvantaged group and then turn around and vote to fuck them over.
Good for them for being kind to you in that situation. We need more of that. I just wish that empathy and sense of community extended to people they didn't know personally.
I mean, it's not like I haven't known any well meaning racists as well. There are people in my extended family who... well, better not say any more.
But I think the problem with well meaning racists are that on the whole, their actions really only last until they find something about you that they don't like. Then inevitably the claws come out, the doors get shut (politely, perhaps), and you find yourself up shit mountain. So, while all the sugar and honey lasts it's not unconditional -- and often times it's actually quite easy to get on their bad side.
But I think the problem with well meaning racists are that on the whole, their actions really only last until they find something about you that they don't like. Then inevitably the claws come out, the doors get shut (politely, perhaps), and you find yourself up shit mountain. So, while all the sugar and honey lasts it's not unconditional -- and often times it's actually quite easy to get on their bad side.
Just curious, have you guys ever tried sites like eHarmony or Match? I'm seriously considering it. Conventional apps like Tinder aren't really working for me. Don't even get me started on East Meets East ugh that shit is terrible lol
At least in my experiences, they did end up slowly extending it to other Indians. It took them a while, because, well, at least in the second case, I was the only non-white person they interacted with in a long time. But at least in my experience, sustained exposure tends to change minds. Because they relate everyone of that race to you, in a good way.
As for the voting - I think progressives tend to be far less single issue voters than conservatives (plus the GOP is just much better at beating people into line) - so usually they are voting for other reasons. Mind you, the racism might be a perk, but Obama flipping so many of them made me at least have to consider that race, while a heavily correlated factor, may not be a heavily deterministic factor (aka why all the stuff you read about correlations, especially in OT / PoliERA, are usually garbage. The election was a pretty solid indicator of how stats were "analyzed" by those groups)
Heh, I find that the end result in both situations ultimately - it's just different justifications to be mad at me. I mean, ultimately, the goal is for them to change their views, or at least change their actions if not their views. But, once again, I don't know if Seattle is typical of the "respect the race but not the people" one finds in the country. Only have Seattle (and a tiny bit of STL and Chicago) as a frame of reference.
I know what you mean Cybit . My oldest and closest friend group is a bit rednecky (they're not exactly rural, but you know, suburbs close to the mountains and all that) and sometimes they can be ignorant as hell. Yet they're the only people I've always been able to count on my whole life and they're still there for me even though I terrible at keeping in touch. I just hate how easily fooled they can be on political matters, but at least I'm able to have open conversations about it with them without it devolving into stupid arguments.
Met my wife on eHarmony and had a bunch of dates from there. Definitely a site that is more geared towards people wanting serious relationships. Before that, I went on a bunch of dates and 1 serious relationship with Match and okcupid. Tinder was before my time. It's funny to hear that's it's the convention these days.
I assume East meets East is an Asian one, but I know that even when I was dating (like 7-8 years ago) the Asian only ones were totally full of fetishers and so forth. Based on nothing, I'd be willing to bet there's still a pretty significant population of fetish-alt-righters on there.
okcupid was pretty fun back in college. Had pretty good success with Bumble (in LA), even with all the 6-foot model/wannabe-actors populating it lol
Coffeemeetsbagel is decent too, a little boring but good chance you'll match with someone who actually wants to pursue something serious.
Been traveling across the USA the past couple of months having lived in SF for 5 years.
Dear lord, living in California is like a bubble for Asians. We're everywhere.
And just driving 7 hours north to the border of CA and OR, everything changes. It's like riding in the mid-West.
It just feels weird to be treated differently outside of SF/LA. Mostly just colder : (
Dear lord, living in California is like a bubble for Asians. We're everywhere.
And just driving 7 hours north to the border of CA and OR, everything changes. It's like riding in the mid-West.
It just feels weird to be treated differently outside of SF/LA. Mostly just colder : (
Kind of cool to see that half of the US' figure skating team for the Winter Olympics are Asian American.
Speaking of which, I was watching some pair figure skating, and NBC's coverage felt borderline jingoistic.
"It's a great thing that the US team is ahead of China." Huh?
"Here is the Israeli team. The US is still in the lead." And then they cut away into a replay of the American pair. What?
Like, I know NBC coverage is ass, but it was never this shit.
Right?
That's how I kinda feel about most Olympic coverage. It's way too much about nationalism and not enough about sportsmanship for my taste.
The Olympics were founded to showcase amateur athletes' abilities, but state sponsorship during the Cold War has given rise to government-funded professional teams. Which, I guess is good for the sport itself but runs counter to a lot of Coubertin's (the founder of the modern Olympic games) ideals. Coubertin wanted the Games to be a celebration of amateur sportsmanship: how sports can bring people together, and how the struggle to succeed is more important than the final placement.
Pierre_de_Coubertin said:
And yet the Olympic games today are basically pure, unadulterated
I 100% support the athletes (well, the non-doping ones) but the Games themselves have always felt a little icky to me because of this.
And that's before you take into account the IOC being one of the most crooked and corrupt organizations on the planet.
At the risk of sounding a bit cliche, I'd choose the kind yet ignorant over the knowledgable yet hateful, because it's easier to educate the ignorant than to take the hate out of someone's heart.
I've turned many of the kinder 'racists' in my life, but that's anecdotal, I know.
At the same time, hateful and ignorant is the worst combination. There's really no helping them.
I have to wonder if they wrote that for him to say or if he attempted to improvise and screwed up tremendously.
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This is the first time I'll be spending Chinese New Year without family or friends. I am with this weekend but I'll be back at my place for the holidays. There also isn't a sizable Asian community where I live now so no festivals or events. The Wegmans by my family's place did have a Chinese New Year event. I picked up some pork buns and peking duck to enjoy over the week.
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