Well, it basically makes you question why anyone would want to live in Kirkwall nevermind put mage in it! I do think the writing was a bit blunt in parts and shows that it was only made in about a year, and could have done with bit more polish to get it right (specially with the mage boss in Act 3). However I have heard quite a few people who blame the Templars completely and refute the danger of mages at all, so maybe they did need to make it obvious?
Also this.
It's possible to leave a thread without suggesting that 250+ pages covering shedloads of examples and discussion that you haven't read is all pointless. You made a point about Europe based on a visit to the UK that has been refuted by at least half a dozen posters who actually live in those countries, this would illustrate that not all experiences offer equal weight in discussion based on context, and the same applies to when discussing what women find attractive with female posters too.
The only one I can see there that might be considered sexy for women is the Joachim Valentine one (ish). The other ones look more grotesque than sexy.
Isn't Voldo seen as more of an oddball meant to freak people out rather than be visually sexy/appealing? I see the comparison you're getting at with the S&M gear/fishnets vs Bayonetta/Quiet but he moves in a weird way that is intentionally disturbing rather than pleasing to the eye, and communicates by hissing at people!
The bunny one is pretty freaky too and looks like he's about to dismember you in to little chunks. I don't really see how it's going for attractive and not creepy. They aren't designed for woman at any rate.
I'm a guy, but I appreciate your willingness to engage and accept other viewpoints. Credit where it's due etc.
It's not entirely taboo. Atomic Blonde last year had one of the most grounded and brutal fight scenes I have ever seen in a movie and it didn't catch any flak for it.
The thing is creepy isn't really that hot when you are a women and the guy could easily overpower you. I find even the guys that are on the more dark side (think like Loki in the marvel films) are shown as not as physically strong to be found attractive by women. Even then, I see women ship them with guy characters alot.
That's not exactly true. "The Creepy, Abusive Boyfriend" is a popular character archetype in Otome games, after all. I mean, I don't understand it and it's an immediate turn off for me, but apparently there's market for that.
Harumph! Joachim is from Covenant!
Oh it does happen but it tends to be a more subset and they don't look grotesque, also I find they tend to not be as well built with big muscles. It's the "I can change him" thing - much more a story and characterisation thing, then a part of the visual design. They don't look creepy.
It's a little bit of "I can change him" and a little bit of "he's just expressing his intense love awkwardly".
Wooow. :(
Somewhat related, my favorite thing is when someone makes a feminist critique of a piece of media and people are like "LOL I BET YOU'RE ONE OF THOSE SENSITIVE AMERICANS", like feminism is an American invention that doesn't exist outside of the US.
As a Finn I can bring some "European" perspective to this and say no. But it's not like they couldn't if they wanted to, it's not illegal in itself. Only if the intent is sexual, then it's punishable by law. Though with enough complaints, police could come and ask one to cover up if they are causing disturbance. But I think majority of people still see female and male having their chest exposed differently. Breastfeeding is also allowed anywhere even in church, even though some people can't handle it. As if they were forced to watch. Every invidual has their own thoughts, but generally our society here has pretty relaxed view on nudity. As Finns often go to mixed saunas too, men and women are nude (or covered with a towel if you wish) together without it being sexual.
Isn't there still a huge difference between what network TV shows compared to something like HBO? Like you wouldn't see anything close to Game of Thrones or The Deuce on Fox and CBS?
I think a) respecting the character design and b) respecting the designer are two different things. As for designers like Yoko Taro being honest, sure, they're honest. That doesn't mean perpetuating problematic aspects in games is deserving of respect. It is more that we, again, accept that the design exists. 2B's character design is still problematic, and the reasoning for why is shallow.
Ah, me neither. But apparently even the use of word "fuck" is still controversial, so I'd assume nudity is too.
Yes, of course. It's just that Taro doesn't give a reason, he actually refuses to. He just says "I like this", expecting people to either put up or shut up.
No. Not even close. Voldo, are you kidding me? Voldo is a hideous freak, he's not designed to titillate straight women (can't comment on gay men but I doubt it).
Somebody saying, "I like this" is a reason, just not a very good one.
I am not sure what you mean here. Respected as its own thing meaning what exactly? People are not obligated to respect them, and respect is typically earned.
Uhh... ok?
I don't think you have to worry about a sizeable number of people wanting to see designs like hers in the future.
This is actually untrue. American TV was most lax during the '90s to early '00s when you had prime time shows like NYPD Blue depicting full-back nudity. Right now, they don't do that any more, and you'll only find nudity on cable TV. American cable TV isn't regulated the same way as broadcast TV so it doesn't really count.
The word you're looking for is "justify". And not trying to justify egregious designs really is a step in the right direction.
The end result may be the same, but the conversation about the design is completely different. Nobody is going to use what Yoko Taro says about 2B to say that there's no reason to criticize her design.
Trading a fallacy for no reason at all isn't exactly progress.
