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Which game do you find holds the most replayability?

  • Demon's Souls

    Votes: 36 11.6%
  • Dark Souls

    Votes: 105 33.8%
  • Dark Souls II

    Votes: 44 14.1%
  • Dark Souls III

    Votes: 93 29.9%
  • Bloodborne

    Votes: 95 30.5%
  • Sekiro

    Votes: 17 5.5%

  • Total voters
    311

Jimnymebob

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,559
I always found Ornstein to be easier in second phase. He has a much smaller aoe on his jump and he really only has two moves that can hit you if you hug his right foot. When you see his right leg lift up, roll and you'll be fine.

Yeah, that was always my thing. I know he's sort of big and scary during the second phase, but he's easier to manage.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,546
My favourite weapon and I are reunited at last.
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The Gyrm Greathammer is sooooo good in PvE.
 

Bashful Trey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
477
Houston TX
Can we talk lore here or is there a lore thread? I'll spoiler tag it just in case.

Dark Souls 3 spoilers regarding the Sable Church and a question I have about it are below.

Why does the Sable Church, who follows Kaathe, believe that the Hollow state is the true face of mankind, when in reality mankind is the fracturing of the Dark Soul into humanity? Hollow's have no Humanity at all. So wouldn't the Hollow state be the absence of the ingredient that makes mankind itself?!

And doesn't Kaathe represent the Pygmy who made mankind, and doesn't he espouse the prophecy that a new Dark Lord would rise from the humans?

I guess in short I'm asking, why is Kaathe the philosophical head of a Church that embraces the absence of humanity?
 

gogosox82

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,385
Can we talk lore here or is there a lore thread? I'll spoiler tag it just in case.

Dark Souls 3 spoilers regarding the Sable Church and a question I have about it are below.

Why does the Sable Church, who follows Kaathe, believe that the Hollow state is the true face of mankind, when in reality mankind is the fracturing of the Dark Soul into humanity? Hollow's have no Humanity at all. So wouldn't the Hollow state be the absence of the ingredient that makes mankind itself?!

And doesn't Kaathe represent the Pygmy who made mankind, and doesn't he espouse the prophecy that a new Dark Lord would rise from the humans?

I guess in short I'm asking, why is Kaathe the philosophical head of a Church that embraces the absence of humanity?

I don't see why we can't talk lore here. As to your question, I'd just chalk it up to Kaathe's message being distorted.
 

Bashful Trey

Member
Oct 27, 2017
477
Houston TX
I don't see why we can't talk lore here. As to your question, I'd just chalk it up to Kaathe's message being distorted.

It's just interesting. Gwynevere is vaguely hinted at being the Queen of Lothric, and Gwyn-line is aligned with Frampt, and the Sable Church is aligned with Kaathe. It all felt like a shadow ideological war. But ultimately it didn't amount to much. Just lots of primordial serpent statues with angel wings or monster bodies or tree bark.

I had hoped they were still around playing puppet master somewhere. If they're dead then I could understand the ideology becoming distorted. Hm, I feel like some really cool questions were left unanswered in dissatisfying ways. I don't need all the answers, but I like to get about 70%-80% and have a mysterious 20%-30% to speculate about. DS3 felt like 30% answers and 70% questions.

I have a "I know it's not true" theory that Primordial Serpents turn into Arch Trees and sprout new worlds. But really only because I think it sounds cool and because of this statue with a bark-like texture. I repeat, I super know it isn't the case, I just think it'd be cool.

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Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,546
It should be noted that it isn't having humanity that makes you human in Dark Souls 1, but rather spending it at a Bonfire.

Though I do think the Age of Hollows the Sable Church is pursuing is very different from what Kaathe wanted in Dark Souls 1.
 

gogosox82

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,385
It's just interesting. Gwynevere is vaguely hinted at being the Queen of Lothric, and Gwyn-line is aligned with Frampt, and the Sable Church is aligned with Kaathe. It all felt like a shadow ideological war. But ultimately it didn't amount to much. Just lots of primordial serpent statues with angel wings or monster bodies or tree bark.

I had hoped they were still around playing puppet master somewhere. If they're dead then I could understand the ideology becoming distorted. Hm, I feel like some really cool questions were left unanswered in dissatisfying ways. I don't need all the answers, but I like to get about 70%-80% and have a mysterious 20%-30% to speculate about. DS3 felt like 30% answers and 70% questions.

I have a "I know it's not true" theory that Primordial Serpents turn into Arch Trees and sprout new worlds. But really only because I think it sounds cool and because of this statue with a bark-like texture. I repeat, I super know it isn't the case, I just think it'd be cool.

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Ringed City dlc left me with many more questions than answers. I had always assumed that there was war going on between the pygmies and the Lords but the dlc made seem like they were working with Gwyn(or Gwyn promised them things for working with him) which just opens up more questions. I feel like a lot of things in DS1 were mostly explained but in DS2 and DS3 and a lot more things weren't explained all that well and just raise more questions. But maybe there isn't an answer and its there for us to speculate about.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
To be fair I don't think DS1 implied that the pygmies and Lords were at war. Lords were at war against Dragons, that's it. The pygmy got the Dark Soul and then just dissapeared. After all, both come from the same place aka the shithole underneath Dragon's world.
In DS2 Aldia says that Gwyn feared humans, so it kind of makes sense that he did a pact with the pygmyes and put them in a city far away from everything.
 

gogosox82

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,385
Agree it wasn't stated in DS1 but i think it was implied with Kaathe/Frampt, the kindling of bonfires with humanity, locking up undead, etc.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,546
Agree it wasn't stated in DS1 but i think it was implied with Kaathe/Frampt, the kindling of bonfires with humanity, locking up undead, etc.
Locking up the Undead seemed like something everyone who wasn't Undead agreed with in Dark Souls 1: You don't want a bunch of Hollows walking around.
 
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III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
18,827
Can we talk lore here or is there a lore thread? I'll spoiler tag it just in case.

Dark Souls 3 spoilers regarding the Sable Church and a question I have about it are below.

Why does the Sable Church, who follows Kaathe, believe that the Hollow state is the true face of mankind, when in reality mankind is the fracturing of the Dark Soul into humanity? Hollow's have no Humanity at all. So wouldn't the Hollow state be the absence of the ingredient that makes mankind itself?!

And doesn't Kaathe represent the Pygmy who made mankind, and doesn't he espouse the prophecy that a new Dark Lord would rise from the humans?

I guess in short I'm asking, why is Kaathe the philosophical head of a Church that embraces the absence of humanity?
Ahh, Lore, or as some say, lore. New ideas, of the higher plane. Speak it good sir.
 

gosublime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,428
To be fair I don't think DS1 implied that the pygmies and Lords were at war. Lords were at war against Dragons, that's it. The pygmy got the Dark Soul and then just dissapeared. After all, both come from the same place aka the shithole underneath Dragon's world.
In DS2 Aldia says that Gwyn feared humans, so it kind of makes sense that he did a pact with the pygmyes and put them in a city far away from everything.

I've always had the view that the Furtive Pygmy (and this is just from the word Furtive) was a Gollum like creature who wasn't that powerful or important but managed to find the Dark Soul. He wasn't really against the Lords or the Dragons just kind of looking after himself. When Gwyn realised what he'd found, he made the pact to try and contain the problem.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,546
Something that makes discussion about the Pygmies awkward is that, until The Ringed City, we thought that the Furtive Pygmy was just the first human and all humans were the "Pygmies". Then the Ringed City showed there was an entire society of "Pygmies" distinct from other humans... But it's unclear if that's a physical distinction or a cultural one.

It's funny, the Ringed City actually left us with more questions than we had back in Dark Souls 1.
 
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Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,546
Ahh, Lore, or as some say, lore. New ideas, of the higher plane. Speak it good sir.
90% of Dark Souls lore discussion is either...

  • Velka, even though by now it's clear she was never intended to be a significant character
  • Whatever the Primordial Serpents were doing after Dark Souls 1
  • Arguing that Gwyn was worse than Hitler because even when someone completely unconnected to Gwyn does something bad, it's still Gwyn's fault
  • Obsessing over how one item placement or drop proves some huge conspiracy or connection between two otherwise completely unrelated parties
  • Trying to figure out how Hollows work when they seem to differ in all three games
  • Trying to figure out the complete clusterfuck of a timeline Dark Souls 3 has going on
 
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xenocide

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,307
Vermont
Pontiff Sulyvahn... what a bastard...

Edit: GOT'EM. Wow that fight is much harder than the ones before it.
 
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Jimnymebob

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,559
Well, I found an area of Bloodborne that I'm sure I didn't come across in the first playthrough, which is
The area above the sewers in the first area, that you drop down to in that building with the wooden platforms.

There's chances I did go through it, but I don't remember. I remember going through the area, but not dropping in from above.
 
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III-V

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,827
90% of Dark Souls lore discussion is either...

  • Velka, even though by now it's clear she was never intended to be a significant character
  • Whatever the Primordial Serpents were doing after Dark Souls 1
  • Arguing that Gwyn was worse than Hitler because even when someone completely unconnected to Gwyn does something bad, it's still Gwyn's fault
  • Obsessing over how one item placement or drop proves some huge conspiracy or connection between two otherwise completely unrelated parties
  • Trying to figure out how Hollows work when they seem to differ in all three games
  • Trying to figure out the complete clusterfuck of a timeline Dark Souls 3 has going on
Velka was a bit of a let down.
 

Strafer

The Flagpole is Wider
Member
Oct 25, 2017
29,347
Sweden
So I have never beaten Kalameet solo, I always summon for that boss, is that boss hard to solo?
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
90% of Dark Souls lore discussion is either...

  • Velka, even though by now it's clear she was never intended to be a significant character
  • Whatever the Primordial Serpents were doing after Dark Souls 1
  • Arguing that Gwyn was worse than Hitler because even when someone completely unconnected to Gwyn does something bad, it's still Gwyn's fault
  • Obsessing over how one item placement or drop proves some huge conspiracy or connection between two otherwise completely unrelated parties
  • Trying to figure out how Hollows work when they seem to differ in all three games
  • Trying to figure out the complete clusterfuck of a timeline Dark Souls 3 has going on

You forgot Gwynevere fucking dragons left and right.
 

ElephantShell

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Oct 25, 2017
9,909
Going to be digging into the original Dark Souls for the first time this month after playing (in order) Bloodborne, Dark Souls III, Demon Souls. Going to try a dex/sorcery build for the first time after basically just doing strength for the other games. Pretty excited to finally dig into what is regarded as the peak of the series.
 

gosublime

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,428
Going to be digging into the original Dark Souls for the first time this month after playing (in order) Bloodborne, Dark Souls III, Demon Souls. Going to try a dex/sorcery build for the first time after basically just doing strength for the other games. Pretty excited to finally dig into what is regarded as the peak of the series.

Cool - keep us updated on your progress! For me Dark Souls and Bloodborne vie for top place. I prefer the lore and ambience of Bloodborne, but the world design of Dark Souls is, IMO, the best of the series.
 

ElephantShell

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Cool - keep us updated on your progress! For me Dark Souls and Bloodborne vie for top place. I prefer the lore and ambience of Bloodborne, but the world design of Dark Souls is, IMO, the best of the series.

Bloodborne is probably a top 3 game all time for me so I don't see that really being topped for me personally but it would be fucking amazing if it was.
 

Xiaomi

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,237
Need a new idea for a playthrough. In all three Dark Souls games I've played:

- Quality sword/shield build
- Two-handing heavy weapons Strength build (including power-stanced Great Clubs in DS2)
- Bandit's dagger dex/bleed build
- Fist build
- All caster schools builds

I've run out of new things to try. I'm hoping one of you folks could give me something weird and unique (though please not a dual-shields run). I'll update y'all on my progress as I go through.
 
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StarPhlox

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,367
Wisconsin
I think I love all of these games. Only played through each of them a single time (and almost all the DLC, never did AOTA) but those are some of the most memorable game experiences I've ever had. If I had to pick a favorite it would either be the one I started with--Bloodborne--or the one I ended with--Dark Souls.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,293
Need a new idea for a playthrough. In all three Dark Souls games I've played:

- Quality sword/shield build
- Two-handing heavy weapons Strength build (including power-stanced Great Clubs in DS2)
- Bandit's dagger dex/bleed build
- Fist build
- All caster schools builds

I've run out of new things to try. I'm hoping one of you folks could give me something weird and unique (though please not a dual-shields run). I'll update y'all on my progress as I go through.
Maybe lance/spear/halberds?
 

Reven Wolf

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,563
Need a new idea for a playthrough. In all three Dark Souls games I've played:

- Quality sword/shield build
- Two-handing heavy weapons Strength build (including power-stanced Great Clubs in DS2)
- Bandit's dagger dex/bleed build
- Fist build
- All caster schools builds

I've run out of new things to try. I'm hoping one of you folks could give me something weird and unique (though please not a dual-shields run). I'll update y'all on my progress as I go through.

Why not a double shield build in DS2? I'm starting one of those runs soon.
 

Boozer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
67
One thing I miss from ds2 whilst playing DS is the soul vessel. Hate making multiple toons.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
Need a new idea for a playthrough. In all three Dark Souls games I've played:

- Quality sword/shield build
- Two-handing heavy weapons Strength build (including power-stanced Great Clubs in DS2)
- Bandit's dagger dex/bleed build
- Fist build
- All caster schools builds

I've run out of new things to try. I'm hoping one of you folks could give me something weird and unique (though please not a dual-shields run). I'll update y'all on my progress as I go through.

Twinblades in DS2? It's the only game that has them. DEX/INT Dragonrider Twinblade wrecks stuff.
 

Snormy

I'll think about it
On Break
Oct 25, 2017
5,105
Morizora's Forest
That might be interesting. Which of the three (DS1-3) do you think would be most fun using exclusively polearms? I just finished a playthrough of DS2 last month so I'd prefer 1 or 3 but I wouldn't mind going through it again.

Polearms are my jam.

Polearms are absurdly powerful PvE wise in DaS. Both spears and halberds are very strong and you have options to pick a more quality weapon or something leaning towards dex.
The highlights for me were:
Spears
Partisan (my favourite, shorter reach, medium damage but fast and has decent horizontal options), Silver Knight Spear (long reach, good damage earlier on, not as strong once maxed but still quite powerful) and Winged Spear (feels like the fastest in thrusts, great damage but less not much for horizontal options).

Halberds
Black Knight Halberd (my favourite, others can be more powerful and this is quite heavy but it just looks so sexy), Scythe (I really enjoyed in pvp), Halberd (very quick R1 thrusts if you connect but unbalanced if you miss, can stunlock), Gargoyle Halberd (similar to regular but slower and doesn't have the unbalanced state on miss IIRC).

In DS3 I feel like straight swords were usually better but I stick with the same weapons and tried most of the polearms. There is more variety here and I finished the game with similar weapons to those listed above. In fact, my old favourites were still very strong but I'll reserve judgement on which are the best since I haven't gotten to the DLC yet.
Oh... The Winged Knight Halberd.... Not easy (unless lucky drop) to get and by no means a great weapon really... But the chain spin is fun.

I'm not sure if you've beat it by now, but it's not in my opinion.
For me, the only difficulty with Kalameet is going for the tail cut. Just killing it is fairly simple.
Yes, this is how it was for me. Baiting for those one or two attacks where it will let you hit the tail was rather annoying. Really dragged the fight out. Killing it on the other was one of the simplest things but perhaps this comes from years and years of Monster Hunter where I faced similar type enemies regularly.
 

shimon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,578
I soloed him and I'd consider myself fairly average. Just need to be patient, don't get greedy and be aware of what type of breath attack he's going to do. Should be doable!
Yup,patience and spend some time to just observe so you can learn to recognize all his attacks and how to deal with them.
 

Jimnymebob

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,559
Need a new idea for a playthrough. In all three Dark Souls games I've played:

- Quality sword/shield build
- Two-handing heavy weapons Strength build (including power-stanced Great Clubs in DS2)
- Bandit's dagger dex/bleed build
- Fist build
- All caster schools builds

I've run out of new things to try. I'm hoping one of you folks could give me something weird and unique (though please not a dual-shields run). I'll update y'all on my progress as I go through.

I normally go dual wield Uchi/Shotel Pyro Dex build on my first playthroughs, but on DS2 SotFS I did a Paladin build.
So Grand Lance plus a great shield (I think it was the Tower Great Shield), with a mix of offensive and defensive miracles. I also made myself tanky as possible.

The good thing with this is that you can get both of those really early on. You get the lance from Forest of Fallen Giants, and the great shield in Heide's Tower of Flame as far as I remember (which are the two areas you can access from the start of the game).

It's also a really fun build for jolly co-operation. You can act as the team's tank/solo healer, but still dish out ludicrous amounts of damage.
 

xenocide

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,307
Vermont
Twinblades in DS2? It's the only game that has them. DEX/INT Dragonrider Twinblade wrecks stuff.

I just started DS2 and tried a Twinblades build. Early on it's rough. Think I may re-roll as something with a shield because Twinblades seems predicated on just hitting stuff and killing it before it can react, which works fine for lower tier enemies that you can take out in 2-3 hits, but anything stronger it's a struggle.
 

Jimnymebob

Member
Oct 26, 2017
19,559
I've started my second BB playthrough (I was asking about build advice the other day), and I think I may have messed up already lol.

I wanted to go strength/arcane, so I've been pumping levels into strength for the time being, as there aren't any arcane things available yet, and I'm at 23 strength currently. I have the Stake Driver now, and was planning on putting a fire gem on it, and running it with arcane, but I've just checked, and apparently with the fire gem, it only scales with arcane, unlike a standard arcane weapon like the Wheel, which uses both.

Does strength not matter on a fire gem Stake Driver?

I think my stats at SL120 will end up as:
Vitality: 30
Endurance: 25
Strength: 23
Skill: 9
Bloodtinge: 5
Arcane: 78

Would that be alright, or should I reset, and keep strength at 18 (enough to equip the stake driver), and get arcane to 83? Or should I increase strength to 25, skill to 12, drop arcane to 73, and equip the Holy Moonlight Sword or Wheel as well? Or would 25 strength be too low?
 

Snack12367

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,191
What is the opinion most of you have on the Dark Souls series lore?

In DS1 & DS2 I felt like they had an actual plot and while some of the points conflicted, it was mostly justified for the change in gameplay. Does DS3 feel like they never actually had a real plot worked out?

Things like Humans having a civilization before being branded by the fire, totally breaks the stuff we were told in DS1 and 2. It also doesn't explain hollowing and why it goes away.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
I just started DS2 and tried a Twinblades build. Early on it's rough. Think I may re-roll as something with a shield because Twinblades seems predicated on just hitting stuff and killing it before it can react, which works fine for lower tier enemies that you can take out in 2-3 hits, but anything stronger it's a struggle.

Ahh, really? I had a lot of succes with it because it could stun-lock enemies to death (always two handed, one handed moveset sucks). That was with the Dragonrider one, the base Twinblade sucked yeah.
 

xenocide

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Oct 25, 2017
5,307
Vermont
Ahh, really? I had a lot of succes with it because it could stun-lock enemies to death (always two handed, one handed moveset sucks). That was with the Dragonrider one, the base Twinblade sucked yeah.

Yea I literally just started. I have 32 hours in DS3 and was just kicking around DS2 to see how it felt--not a huge fan but It's still early--and the base level twinblades are pretty crap. I'm contemplating just switching out the second weapon for a Shield asap.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
Yea I literally just started. I have 32 hours in DS3 and was just kicking around DS2 to see how it felt--not a huge fan but It's still early--and the base level twinblades are pretty crap. I'm contemplating just switching out the second weapon for a Shield asap.

Ah well if it's your first run on DS2 maybe you'll want to look for something like a rapier or a katana and shield. I did already beat the game two times when I did the Twinblade run so I was more used to the different pace of DS2 combat compared to the other ones. It indeed feels different than DS3.
 

Snack12367

Member
Oct 28, 2017
3,191
Yea I literally just started. I have 32 hours in DS3 and was just kicking around DS2 to see how it felt--not a huge fan but It's still early--and the base level twinblades are pretty crap. I'm contemplating just switching out the second weapon for a Shield asap.

My last run through was with twinblades. Yeah they aren't very good. The only twinblade weapon I actually liked was Red Iron Twinblade. It's a bit harder to use in PvP, but that thing hits like a truck and can easily stagger most enemies.