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DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.

Vadara said:

DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made

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Think he came into development a little too hot after Bloodborne, everything is dodging and fast. :P

Vadara said:

DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.

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Still trying to facefuck everything I see

Strafer said:

I really like the Burial Blade transformation animation.

What are your guys favorite?

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Blade of Mercy's transformations will never not look cool to me.

Sometimes I just fold it on and off endlessly while running from one place to another.

Vadara said:

DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

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Know how I know you haven't played Demon's Souls?

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.

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People gave you plenty of tips and advice. But I see you're still trying to facetank your way to victory and failing and complaining that it won't work. Well, OK then. :shrug:

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Know how I know you haven't played Demon's Souls?


People gave you plenty of tips and advice. But I see you're still trying to facetank your way to victory and failing and complaining that it won't work. Well, OK then. :shrug:

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Advice doesn't change the fat that DS3 just feels awful to play in the exact opposite way that DS2 felt awful to play. With 2 it was the controls, with 3 it's the meta-context of how enemies attack way too much. DS1 was not a fast game. It just wasn't. It was actually slow as hell compared to most action RPG's and you could often avoid attacks just by baiting them and walking out of their range or circling around an enemy. If you knew what you were doing, you could be highly aggressive, but otherwise the game rewarded actually thoughtful play.

DS3 forces you to play incredibly aggressively and run into shit guns blazing and then punishes you for it with stunlocking enemies that do five attacks every time they attack so you have to break your O button just to not die. This is not fun. Circle-strafing to backstab them? They can rotate on the spot more quickly than Doomguy. Shielding? lol useless, as is parrying. Armor is basically nonexistent stats-wise because Fashion Souls. Poise is gone so you can't group up enemies and take them out with one big R1 or R2 by intentionally tanking a hit. Nor can you poise stunlock enemies so yay I guess every single STR weapon is now useless, might as well not even have them in the game if From practically forces you to DEX weapon except WHOOPS DEX WEAPONS DO NO DAMAGE so have fun mashing R1 4 times for each enemy and whoops POISE DOESN'T EXIST so they just hyper armor through your attacks and hit you and whoops they ganged up on you and youdied.mp3

Like, merely thinking about this game makes me interminably enraged

Like, what the fuck was Miyazaki thinking when he made hyper armor, one of the reasons slow STR weapons like the Zweihander were fun/viable in DS1 was because they could stun enemies in the process of attacking WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA

People going on how DS1 is some 5 dimensional chess game annoy the hell out of me

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What is going on here? The progression from DeS to DaS to DaS2 was always full of changes. I think people just wanted all Souls games to fee like DaS, but they are each unique.

Instead of playing the way you want to, try learning the way in which the game wants you to play. I think you will change your tune.

Maybe try playing Bloodbourne. You will quickly learn how DaS3 is supposed to be played. It's a beautiful game. Both are, all of them are great and different and it's ok to challenge your self by getting out of your comfort zone with your play style.

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The problem is that DS3 is such a badly designed game that playing the way the game wants you to is incredibly unfun and you die anyway

Whoever thought those two knights on the High Wall were good design with their absurd damage, utter inability to get stunned, and five-hit combos is just...

this game isn't fun. It's not challenging. It's taxing. I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE HIGH WALL FOR THREE HOURS and apparently I'm not even HALFWAY THROUGH IT (meanwhile in DS1 I can have the Undead Parish cleared in like 30-40 minutes because what do you know there's way less BS in that game)

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I give up. This game has beaten me.

Vadara said:

The problem is that DS3 is such a badly designed game that playing the way the game wants you to is incredibly unfun and you die anyway

Whoever thought those two knights on the High Wall were good design with their absurd damage, utter inability to get stunned, and five-hit combos is just...

this game isn't fun. It's not challenging. It's taxing. I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE HIGH WALL FOR THREE HOURS and apparently I'm not even HALFWAY THROUGH IT (meanwhile in DS1 I can have the Undead Parish cleared in like 30-40 minutes because what do you know there's way less BS in that game)

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Three hours? Bruv, what is you doing.

DS3 was my first experience with a faster-paced Souls game and I found myself adjusting to it quicker than I thought. Then again, I hardly used shields in the previous two Souls games so I was accustomed to rolling.

Don't know, try rolling to the side maybe? Shit, dude. They're just two knights.

I already uninstalled the game. I hate how it controls, I hate the emphasis on rolling, I hate the fact that I do no damage, I hate the lack of poise, I hate the bullshit enemy placement, it'd be easier to list the things I liked about DS3, namely the graphics and that's it.

Time to apologize to my friend for spending 20 whole dollars on this game for me.

Also crossing Bloodborne off my to buy list since that game has supposedly every flaw this game has but worse.

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I already uninstalled the game. I hate how it controls, I hate the emphasis on rolling, I hate the fact that I do no damage, I hate the lack of poise, I hate the bullshit enemy placement, it'd be easier to list the things I liked about DS3, namely the graphics and that's it.

Time to apologize to my friend for spending 20 whole dollars on this game for me.

Also crossing Bloodborne off my to buy list since that game has supposedly every flaw this game has but worse.

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I'm not going back to it. Playing DS3 is excrutiatingly unfun. Every single aspect of it just actively sucks and it's just miserable to play.

I cannot think of a single time in my three hours with it where I ever felt anything even approaching enjoyment, fun, or at least indifference. On the contrary, I actively DESPISE playing it.

I don't think I have ever loathed playing a game as much as I loathed DS3

So after reading the above conversation, I got a question. I love Bloodborne, so would I feel at home if I play DS3 next? I have played DS1 before, which I liked, but I stopped after a while because I found the gameplay too slow. Games with faster combat like Bloodborne and Nioh are more my jam.

Vadara said:

I'm not going back to it. Playing DS3 is excrutiatingly unfun. Every single aspect of it just actively sucks and it's just miserable to play.

I cannot think of a single time in my three hours with it where I ever felt anything even approaching enjoyment, fun, or at least indifference. On the contrary, I actively DESPISE playing it.

I don't think I have ever loathed playing a game as much as I loathed DS3

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Thank goodness you emphasized those specific words, otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell if you truly did excruciatingly DESPISE and loathed playing DS3.

Relax, bud. It's just a game. If it makes you feel any better, I have avenged you by killing those knights a couple dozen, maybe hundred, times.

Virtua King said:

So after reading the above conversation, I got a question. I love Bloodborne, so would I feel at home if I play DS3 next? I have played DS1 before, which I liked, but I stopped after a while because I found the gameplay too slow. Games with faster combat like Bloodborne and Nioh are more my jam.

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Probably. It plays very similarly to Bloodborne. Especially with some bosses, and they're amazing as a result.

Van Bur3n said:

Thank goodness you emphasized those specific words, otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell if you truly did excruciatingly DESPISE and loathed playing DS3.

Relax, bud. It's just a game. If it makes you feel any better, I have avenged you by killing those knights a couple dozen, maybe hundred, times.

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I emphasized them because I have no idea how else to put into words how much I truly hated playing this game

Kos Parasite is unique, but I don't think it's a very good weapon outside of reverse gank-spanking PvPers.

Vadara said:

I'm not going back to it. Playing DS3 is excrutiatingly unfun. Every single aspect of it just actively sucks and it's just miserable to play.

I cannot think of a single time in my three hours with it where I ever felt anything even approaching enjoyment, fun, or at least indifference. On the contrary, I actively DESPISE playing it.

I don't think I have ever loathed playing a game as much as I loathed DS3

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It sounds like the only other game you've ever played is DS1.

Virtua King said:

So after reading the above conversation, I got a question. I love Bloodborne, so would I feel at home if I play DS3 next? I have played DS1 before, which I liked, but I stopped after a while because I found the gameplay too slow. Games with faster combat like Bloodborne and Nioh are more my jam.

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Yes. DS3 is like a faster DS1 (but not as fast as Bloodborne). If you liked Bloodborne, you'll like DS3, though keep in mind that DS3 is still more Souls than Bloodborne.

The above discussion about DS3 being flawed and unfun is very subjective. That person complained about a huge variety of things, was given plenty of information and advice on how to play with the new systems, but seemingly ignored all of it. Obviously he's not having fun and he's washed his hands of the game, but don't consider his thoughts the prevailing view of DS3.

Main points about the complaints:
- Dex weapons actually do a ton of damage in the game.
- Heavy weapons do in fact cause stagger, and can be used to interrupt enemy attacks.
- The trade of poise for hyper armor does not nullify the ability to play a slow, heavy character. However, unlike DS1, such builds need to be played in a much more calculated way. Heavy armor + weapon does not mean "freely ignore everything coming at you" - it means that you need to watch things like spacing and timing much more closely to play effectively. Use spacing, timing and the reach of your weapons to make up for your slow windup, and to cover your vulnerable startup. It's like standard Souls combat where your actions are all commitments that can be punished if done recklessly, except slower.

Heavy weapons may cause stagger but without poise you just trade and get stunned, then they recover before you and stunlock you into a combo that kills you

Can't use "spacing, timing and the reach of your weapons" when every enemy can lunge at you from five character lengths away and hit you

Lol, relying on poise.
Play through DS1 with the Gold Hemmed Black Set, then return to DS3, its the easiest game in the series.

If you cant parry and dodge/roll then IDK

Playing Bloodborne, and I can't block even though I could in the other games? 0/10 Miyazaki killed his own franchise.

I went from playing three weeks of Dark Souls 1 then switched to dark souls 3 recently. It was jarring... the difference in speed of the player, the game, the enemies...I got pounded at high wall too. It took a little while to get used to the speed difference but I did and now I'm rolling through it - just beat the dancer. Souls is very much about how you approach the game and it sounds like you might benefit from a different approach to dark 3.

You can still tank in Dark Souls 3 and you can certainly stunlock the enemies. You aren't going to do that in the starting areas though.

Vadara said:

The problem is that DS3 is such a badly designed game that playing the way the game wants you to is incredibly unfun and you die anyway

Whoever thought those two knights on the High Wall were good design with their absurd damage, utter inability to get stunned, and five-hit combos is just...

this game isn't fun. It's not challenging. It's taxing. I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE HIGH WALL FOR THREE HOURS and apparently I'm not even HALFWAY THROUGH IT (meanwhile in DS1 I can have the Undead Parish cleared in like 30-40 minutes because what do you know there's way less BS in that game)

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I give up. This game has beaten me.

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well damn this is something. Im not a souls veteran. I gave up on DS1/2 but ive loved DS3. I mean you know you can split the knights in that section (im assuming its the part before Vordt boss) ? Hell most "packs" you can still split for the most part.

ill admit ive used a video guide on youtube for most of the game to cut down on some frustration as i dont have a tone of gaming time these days but I still have to defeat things myself and i have hit my walls that took me a while to get past and Im at the Grand Archives which i guess is around 75% through or so?

giving up on a game is understandable but yikes i dont think ive ever had this kind of hatred for one but to each their own

Vadara said:

I emphasized them because I have no idea how else to put into words how much I truly hated playing this game

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Yes, yes, you've made that very clear.

The only thing I'll say to this, is that, well, the vast majority of players have no trouble at all on the High Wall of Lothric and have gotten past it (and the much harder later areas of the game) just fine, with a variety of builds. The game isn't flawless (none of them are), and if you aren't having fun, that's fine, but has it occurred to you that maybe, just maybe, it's not that the game is bad or badly designed, but more the fact that you staunchly and stubbornly refuse to adapt? Just saying. I doubt I can change your mind here, and I'm not going to tell you to re-install it, but, yeesh, dude.

Van Bur3n said:

Probably. It plays very similarly to Bloodborne. Especially with some bosses, and they're amazing as a result.

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Chopchop said:

Yes. DS3 is like a faster DS1 (but not as fast as Bloodborne). If you liked Bloodborne, you'll like DS3, though keep in mind that DS3 is still more Souls than Bloodborne.

The above discussion about DS3 being flawed and unfun is very subjective. That person complained about a huge variety of things, was given plenty of information and advice on how to play with the new systems, but seemingly ignored all of it. Obviously he's not having fun and he's washed his hands of the game, but don't consider his thoughts the prevailing view of DS3.

Main points about the complaints:
- Dex weapons actually do a ton of damage in the game.
- Heavy weapons do in fact cause stagger, and can be used to interrupt enemy attacks.
- The trade of poise for hyper armor does not nullify the ability to play a slow, heavy character. However, unlike DS1, such builds need to be played in a much more calculated way. Heavy armor + weapon does not mean "freely ignore everything coming at you" - it means that you need to watch things like spacing and timing much more closely to play effectively. Use spacing, timing and the reach of your weapons to make up for your slow windup, and to cover your vulnerable startup. It's like standard Souls combat where your actions are all commitments that can be punished if done recklessly, except slower.

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Alright, I see. Thanks, I feel comfortable in starting a DS3 playthrough then.

I don't think I've ever loved a game as much as Vadara hates DS3.

Vadara said:

DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.

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I think some of your criticisms have merit, but you're more than equipped to deal with these situations most of the time. I still think lack of poise is kinda bullshit; I hate being stunlocked by daggers and fucking rats. You just have to acclimate, and if you hated the game at the beginning you certainly wouldn't like it later on.

Ok so do I suck at the game or is Smelter Demon supposed to be a pain in the ass?

JadedWriter said:

Ok so do I suck at the game or is Smelter Demon supposed to be a pain in the ass?

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Probably the second hardest boss in the game.

Cat Party said:

Probably the second hardest boss in the game.

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His overhead slam can suck a dick. It seems to track till the very last second.

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His overhead slam can suck a dick. It seems to track till the very last second.

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It's just very delayed.

Jombie said:

It's just very delayed.

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Very delayed. I roll behind him and still get smashed, it's stupid.

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His overhead slam can suck a dick. It seems to track till the very last second.

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Welcome to Dark Souls 2, where everything tracks perfectly and positioning doesn't matter.

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Welcome to Dark Souls 2, where everything tracks perfectly and positioning doesn't matter.

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So far Iron Keep has been my least favorite level. From enemies, their placement and the overall aggro range and mob numbers. It's been horrible.

JadedWriter said:

So far Iron Keep has been my least favorite level. From enemies, their placement and the overall aggro range and mob numbers. It's been horrible.

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They made Iron Keep far too difficult in Scholar of the First Sin. It was more manageable in the original.

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They made Iron Keep far too difficult in Scholar of the First Sin. It was more manageable in the original.

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Getting swarmed by 2-3 Alonne Knights in a tiny ass room is not my idea of a good time. I cooled down the spawns for the damn things for the run back to Smelter Demon at least, it's just not a great area. Anybody know if leveling up Int increases the damage bonus to the dark weapon and magic weapon buffs or should I be leveling up the catalyst? On top of that what's a good catalyst anyway? I don't want to sink levels into the Sorcerers Staff for no reason.

As someone who spent most of my first play throughs back in the day for DS1 hiding behind a shield my recent play through of DS3 with a Dex/Int build with the Twin Sellsword blades has been liberating. Demolishing Champion Gundyr with high dps output was just pleasurable. Can't wait to replay DS Remastered in May, going to be avoiding le shield. :)

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Ok so do I suck at the game or is Smelter Demon supposed to be a pain in the ass?

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Nope, it's one of the harder bosses in that game.

Which Smelter Demon are we talking about?

Original or 2.0?

So, there's gonna be yet another Dark Souls comic. I don't know how it's going to be but fuck me if this isn't a badass cover

Ferrs said:

So, there's gonna be yet another Dark Souls comic. I don't know how it's going to be but fuck me if this isn't a badass cover

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Sweet baby Sunbro. That is one awesome cover.

If they make a movie this should be the cover.

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Sweet baby Sunbro. That is one awesome cover.

If they make a movie this should be the cover.

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Wonder how a Dark Souls movie could be. I don't think adapting the game would work for obvious reason, but the Age of Fire is ambigous enough to be able to do a lot of good things.

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Wonder how a Dark Souls movie could be. I don't think adapting the game would work for obvious reason, but the Age of Fire is ambigous enough to be able to do a lot of good things.

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Yeah, doing a direct movie adaption of the game wouldn't work, also we know what will happen.

But seeing Nito, Ornstein and all those bosses in movie form would be sick.

and Bed of Chaos as an easter egg.

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Which Smelter Demon are we talking about?

Original or 2.0?

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I'm on the first one at Iron Keep. Are these things even weak to magic or darkness?

Vadara said:

I'm not going back to it. Playing DS3 is excrutiatingly unfun. Every single aspect of it just actively sucks and it's just miserable to play.

I cannot think of a single time in my three hours with it where I ever felt anything even approaching enjoyment, fun, or at least indifference. On the contrary, I actively DESPISE playing it.

I don't think I have ever loathed playing a game as much as I loathed DS3

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Do you not have a thumb for circle? Because you know you can change that system-wise, right?

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So, there's gonna be yet another Dark Souls comic. I don't know how it's going to be but fuck me if this isn't a badass cover

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Nothing will ever top the high art that is the look on that werewolves face...

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Do you not have a thumb for circle? Because you know you can change that system-wise, right?

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What if I don't want to rollspam to defeat every enemy?

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What if I don't want to rollspam to defeat every enemy?

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Get a good shield, upgrade it. Level up properly, learn how to poisestack effectively. Also learn how the poise mechanic works. You don't need to rollspam nearly as much as you seem to believe, you just dont understand that mechanics aren't the same as in 1.

I feel like Bloodborne demands a second playthrough with a guide if you blindly run in like I do with first time characters. So many of the quests and quest triggers are tied to the moon cycle, and I just discovered it's final phase. Brautiful, haunting, AMAZING, 10/10 game right there with DS1 for me....

Just wish I could see what collecting all the umbilical cords would result in, unfortunately I returned to the clinic too early. Ah well. NG it will be!