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StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
The shooting is so bad in Rev1 and 2. No enemy reaction at all and the weapons have no weight. It's kinda like RE6 but that game had a lot of things around it that made it fun to play (and the weapons still feel better than Rev but not as good as RE4 and 5). The Revelations games have nothing to make up to the lack of kick, impact and power.

Every enemy will recoil, fall over or go into stun state if you hit the weak point.


Also CV has been the worst since it released, age has only made it worse. Better puzzles than RE2 though.
 

Neptonic

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Tucson, AZ
The shooting is so bad in Rev1 and 2. No enemy reaction at all and the weapons have no weight. It's kinda like RE6 but that game had a lot of things around it that made it fun to play (and the weapons still feel better than Rev but not as good as RE4 and 5). The Revelations games have nothing to make up to the lack of kick, impact and power.
That's the worst thing about Rev 1 that i'm noticing on my playthrough right now. The enemies aren't fun to fight.
It got so bad that I took a break, bought Dead Space 1 on Steam, and almost beat that
 
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Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

Crisis Dino
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Oct 25, 2017
38,547
Ibis Island
CVX as a package and idea I like. The story is pretty cool as are the environments and character interactions.
I just feel the game itself hasn't aged well. Especially with it's all 3D graphics. There's just something off about it compared to the rest of the series.
Like it's missing a coat of polish. It's why I feel it's the game most in need of a reboot. Hoping RE2make does well enough that they start fast tracking reboots in order.
Nemesis would be great to see again and CVX would probably jump up a ton of spots with a new coat of paint.
 

Deleted member 9746

User requested account closure
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Oct 26, 2017
5,406
I'd say Rev 1 and CVX are at the very bottom of my list. But I really liked Rev 2 for some reason.
Same. Though I'm softer on CVX than most. I played it when it came out on PS2 and hated to the point of vowing to never play it again, then I played last year and... liked it? It's plagued by weird design decisions, that's for sure.

Also I hated Wesker in CVX. Felt like a saturday morning cartoon villain and not in a fun way like RE5 (or RE6 lol).
 

Furisco

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,084
Imagine you playing RE2 Remake and suddenly you see Jill running from Nemesis in the distance.
 

Embercase

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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For me it's just I prefer the RE games to do one thing and do that one thing well.
Like the only RE title atm that has managed to somewhat balance things is RE4 really.

Besides that every other game is far better sticking to what they do rather than trying to be this awkward middle ground. That has always been my biggest issue with the Rev games over something like 5 and 6. 5 and 6 might not be good horror games. But as action games they're very fun. Rev 1 and 2 on the other hand are neither scary nor ever reach the same action of those mainline titles. So they just kinda limp as "ok" titles and nothing more. For fans that are/were eager to go back to any sort of horror attempt I can see the appeal. But considering I felt Leon's campaign in RE6 was the weaskest since his earlier missions tried to do just that. You can start to see how I am with these things I hope.

I will say that in the general scheme of things. The lore of RE comes first for me. Which in that case I was very glad with how Rev 2 incorporated some fan favorites back into the fray. While also adding a new great character to the lineup. But still currently since I have to consider the whole package. I rank Rev 2 > Rev 1 > CVX as the lowest titles when talking "mainline". CVX is only the lowest because I feel it hasn't aged well at all compared to the PS1 games. While i'm not a big fan of RE7 I do rank it higher than those titles just because for the most part it basically sticks to it's attempt at being horror. Even when things get more actiony near the end. Which I can give it some props for over trying to appeal to everyone in the main game.

To me go all action or go all horror so you can make the best game possible. The middle ground just isn't a good fit for RE unless you got a legendary team and/or luck out (RE4)

Ok cool fair enough, I agree I don't find REV games better then 5 or 6 but I did enjoy them enough that they weren't a slog or it felt like a waste of my time. Also I love the RE lore also but I like the batshit craziness of it like Wesker from 5.
 

Suede

Gotham's Finest
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Oct 28, 2017
12,522
Scotland
lol.
As for DC it all depends on my mood.
DC1 and 2 are pretty equal in my eyes.
But if I have to absolutely choose. I will probably say 2 by a slim margin.
Only because it's easier to jump back into when I have random moments of wanting to play anything DC.
I always liked how smooth DC2 controlled, running and gunning while being able to do 360 movement was a lot of fun.

It's a hard one for me. Rev 2 is one of my favorite RE games, which surprised me after Rev 1 was one of my least favorites, by far.

I'd say Rev 1 and CVX are at the very bottom of my list. But I really liked Rev 2 for some reason.
I grew up playing it on the Dreamcast and loved it, but playing it again with the HD version released on 360 a few years ago I realised that it's one of the weaker games. It also did feel like a step back from RE3, which had free moment on stairs and decaptations and such.

Same. Though I'm softer on CVX than most. I played it when it came out on PS2 and hated to the point of vowing to never play it again, then I played last year and... liked it? It's plagued by weird design decisions, that's for sure.

Also I hated Wesker in CVX. Felt like a saturday morning cartoon villain and not in a fun way like RE5 (or RE6 lol).
I preferred him in the original Dreamcast version. They made him too powerful in CVX, I always liked when Alexia slaps him flying and he falls flat on the ground instead of landing on his feet in CVX.

Imagine you playing RE2 Remake and suddenly you see Jill running from Nemesis in the distance.
I really want them to merge RE2 and RE3 for the remake lol.
 

Zero-ELEC

The Wise Ones
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Oct 25, 2017
7,567
México
I miss Leon and Ada's love story. Can we get a proper follow-up please ? It has been 15 years after RE2 now, can't they just exchange words ? There's so much to explore, and it kills me how relationships are in the gutter after 2. They just decided the characters will become immortal superheroes instead of evolving humans
Shades of that one thread...

I really want them to merge RE2 and RE3 for the remake lol.
But the games share nothing except a couple of rooms. They have completely different atmospheres and mechanics and stories and items and timeframes and really the only way for them to do both would compromise one, the other, or both.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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But the games share nothing except a couple of rooms. They have completely different atmospheres and mechanics and stories and items and timeframes and really the only way for them to do both would compromise one, the other, or both.

If they remakes none of that really matters. REmake had new areas, new items, new mechanics, expanded areas etc etc.

Expand RPD, have Jill spend more time in it, have actions Jill takes there affect your RE2 playthrough. Apply same thing to new areas they can both visit, have Leon/Claire spend more time in the streets, streets that Jill also uses, even use buildings prior to the RPD, buildings that Jill also uses! Easy.

Dodge mechanic in RE2? Why not? RE1 never had a counter system but REmake got one with the self defense items. Gun powder system in RE2? Why not? (Was originally gonna have one anyway).

Is really easy when remaking things to combine them more. It not taking RE2/3 as they are now and trying to merge them.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Another benefit to combining is they could add a multiplayer mode similar to outbreak and benefit from both games locations, enemies and characters.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I prefer to keep them separated as well so that I can have another game to look forward to.after I finish playing REmake 2
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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This conversation seems to come up every other week or so, but combining RE2 and RE3 remains one of the worst ideas ever
 

Deleted member 9746

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Oct 26, 2017
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Combining RE2 and RE3 only makes sense if they remake both titles as one Raccoon City Stories title. I don't think Capcom can pull that off.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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Combining RE2 and RE3 only makes sense if they remake both titles as one Raccoon City Stories title. I don't think Capcom can pull that off.

That itself doesn't even make that much sense unless we're talking about a fantasy la-la land where Capcom is going to throw an unlimited budget at this game. It's not going to happen. If they did that, one game would get gutted (most likely RE3) for the other. All there is to it.
 

StallionDan

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Oct 25, 2017
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That itself doesn't even make that much sense unless we're talking about a fantasy la-la land where Capcom is going to throw an unlimited budget at this game. It's not going to happen. If they did that, one game would get gutted (most likely RE3) for the other. All there is to it.

The games are tiny by today's standards, could double the length of each and still fall short of most modern games.

That is double the length of them combined, btw.
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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Want to contribute something better than this?

Look at my post above, it explains it all. I mean, there's no real point. We have had this conversation before, and there's nothing really left to say about it. I mean yes, if we want to live in fantasy la-la land where Capcom will throw unlimited money at a project that would both combine and expand the two games while doing the original material justice, and would be willing to lose potential sales of selling two separate games, it's a good idea I guess even if somewhat pointless. But that won't happen
 

OniBaka

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Oct 25, 2017
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I doubt it too, just saying they can do that.

It benefits them to split the games anyway, more money.
 

StallionDan

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,705
Look at my post above, it explains it all. I mean, there's no real point. We have had this conversation before, and there's nothing really left to say about it. I mean yes, if we want to live in fantasy la-la land where Capcom will throw unlimited money at a project that would both combine and expand the two games while doing the original material justice, and would be willing to lose potential sales of selling two separate games, it's a good idea I guess even if somewhat pointless. But that won't happen

Most games have campaigns 4+ times the lengths of RE 2 or 3, so let's say double them combined, they usually use constant new areas and environments the entire game.

But you think a game based around backtracking areas and that reuses areas between campaigns is la la land?
 

Suede

Gotham's Finest
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Oct 28, 2017
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Do we think Capcom would bother remaking RE3 anyway? RE2 is only getting a remake because of the fans and how much they pleaded for it, and also I think it's one of the best selling games of all time for them. I see this as being a one off thing for Capcom.
 

How About No

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,785
The Great Dairy State
RE2 and 3 despite their similarities are pretty different narrative and location-wise

I don't feel a need for that stuff to mix tbh

Also RE3 should totally be remade as a really good action RE
 

Shauni

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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Most games have campaigns 4+ times the lengths of RE 2 or 3, so let's say double them combined, they usually use constant new areas and environments the entire game.

But you think a game based around backtracking areas and that reuses areas between campaigns is la la land?

The length of games doesn't always dictate the cost of said game, and Capcom isn't going to throw the kind of budget of, say RE6 after last gens failures. I mean, now you're even talking about throwing in Outbreak in there lol, how many games do you really think can realistically be remade as one without something giving one way or another?

Like I said, in fantasy la-la land where Capcom is willing to give an unlimited budget to this one game where we can have a faithful recreation of several games while also extending to a significant and meaningful, it would be okay I guess. I would prefer we allow a remake to be focused on a single game, allow it to be recreated faithful, extended meaningfully and shine on its own, as opposed to potentially being cobbled together and potentially be a disaster for no real reason outside the games sharing two similar, but not really even that similar, locations
 

Shauni

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's the next logical event something would be at, but it's not shown up any place so far. I wouldn't be surprised if they just hold it to E3
 

Mr_Zombie

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Oct 27, 2017
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Poland
I'm sure they can, look at RE6 with it's 4 campaigns.

I'm looking at it. And while I love how big that game is, you can't deny that 4 separate campaigns was a double edged sword. All that fluff, bad level and encounter designs, repeated boss fights, poor environment textures and modeling, jankiness - it all came from the game being too big for its own good.

And current Capcom is in even worse position to do such an epic game.
 

WeskerXXI

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Oct 28, 2017
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I would prefer they focus on properly expanding RE2 with the REmake treatment, maybe even incorporating ideas from RE1.5, than mix it with RE3 and end up without a proper remake of both. Not to mention that If REmake 2 is successfull, REmake 3 will be next, and giving that away now would not make much financial sense for Capcom
 
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I would prefer they focus on properly expanding RE2 with the REmake treatment, maybe even incorporating ideas from RE1.5, than mix it with RE3 and end up without a proper remake of both. Not to mention that If REmake 2 is successfull, REmake 3 will be next, and giving that away now would not make much financial sense for Capcom

That's the same wave length I am on that would be the ideal world of this. There's no way Capcom wont do REmake 3 after 2 if it does crazily well in sales with a fair part of the content and assets of Raccoon City already being worked on from this project. It's a win-win to us all.


Julia Voth in photogrammetry technology *drools*
 

Dreamboum

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Oct 28, 2017
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tbh I don't even find RE3 good, there is barely a story to tell and the new mechanics would just ruin the level design of 2 re:respawning enemies and the shitty dodge mechanic.

And the Raccoon City of both games are two different things altogether. RE2's is organic, RE3 literally put Street gates as loading screens.

I'd rather they expand the city in 2 than replicating the city of 3 for combining purposes. Even if you disagree RE3 being mediocre, it is clear RE2 was the big budget production whereas RE3 went through a lot of hoops to even *exist*
 

kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
4,725
Ohio
#KeepRE2andRE3Separate
Agreed, they're totally different games, and both are good enough that they both deserve a proper REmake, with Capcom's full attention for each.
Also RE3 should totally be remade as a really good action RE
No.

RE5 and 6 combined would be that real shit
Yes.
Is PSX the next gaming event thingie we are expecting to see something on REmake 2?
E3 2018.
 

Gradon

Saw the truth behind the copied door
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Oct 25, 2017
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Is the consensus that RE2make will follow the remake design of REmake?
Or are people certain they'll change the gameplay to be more like RE4?

I know we haven't seen anything of RE2make yet but maybe someone's heard something about it. Thought I'd ask.
 

BadWolf

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is the consensus that RE2make will follow the remake design of REmake?
Or are people certain they'll change the gameplay to be more like RE4?

I know we haven't seen anything of RE2make yet but maybe someone's heard something about it. Thought I'd ask.

We have no idea, but considering the effort that seems to be going into the game it sounds like it might not be classic style. At least in terms of camera.

But really, there has been no word. It's all speculation right now.