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Can someone explain how I do the rare blade quests? There's some requisites to do it or it just open for me? I only got one for Gorg so far but not the rest of my blades.
 

mute

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Huh, well either I put the game down for a couple weeks or I never play with the update, at least not for a long while. Decisions decisions....
 

Philippo

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Finished Ch4.

Final cutscenes are always a blast, so much i almost wish we got a full blown anime out of this.

Speaking of anime though, my biggest complain remains the story. It really is filled with tropes, cliched characters (i swear Tirna guys feels like an edgy version of the Team Rocket), things popping out of nowhere, etc.
I have no doubt its going to improve, as it seems the scenario is shifting into high gear from this point onward.
Still, i'm feeling pretty disoriented atm.

Zeke is love, though.

Finally have
Mórag, i was planning on using her as my tank instead of Tora, is it a good choice?
I must say Poppi teenager form is interesting though.
 

Zen Hero

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Finally have
Mórag, i was planning on using her as my tank instead of Tora, is it a good choice?
They're both good tanks, but they have different styles. Notice that
Morag
has high agility, and her blade has skills focused around evasion. So she is well-suited to be a dodge-based tank.
 

Conrad Link

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Lame, I'm deep in the midst of the game but was sorta dragging my feet a bit lately knowing there was a update coming soon. Now that its been delayed I think I'll just power on and play like normal again, I'm enjoying it too much to delay further and the update wasn't really bringing anything mind blowing anyway. Just the skip core animation thing and the map stuff that sounded good I think.
 

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Guys, I'm with level 60 with Rex, 61 with Nia and 62 with Morag in the beginning of chapter 9. I am underlevel in it or not? lol Should I make some side missions?
 

CopperPuppy

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Era, quick question. I'm sure it has been asked a lot so I'll apologize in advance for the redundancy: how are the Japanese voices?
 

Discharger

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Era, quick question. I'm sure it has been asked a lot so I'll apologize in advance for the redundancy: how are the Japanese voices?

From what I've seen, general consensus is they are pretty good. Some people really like certain characters, and others aren't as good, but I didn't see anyone mention any specific actor was actually bad or anything like that. More like certain actors didn't fit a certain role as well as they could have, but still put in a decent performance.

I personally went with the English voices, and aside from a few things (mostly any time Rex screams), they are solid, and some performances are legitimately great.
 

Mr.Fletcher

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I've just spent a long time going through my common core crystals, opened 80+ but still have a few to go.

I got nothing, not that I expected too much...

Still, clearing out my common crystals is something I should have done a few dozen hours ago so it's nice to get it done.

I've got three rare blades left to get through RNG, including KOSMOS of course... I'm so close.

However, I think I've picked the wrong time to get interested in getting them all. I've ditched all my gold chips for vastly better ones I've got off superbosses.

It's going to be a long road, isn't it?
 

Dec

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I think Azurda's Japanese voice is pretty terrible. Especially compared to English.

Everyone else is as good or better than the English though.

I just can't deal with a few of the English characters, Azurda is an acceptable sacrifice.
 

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I really hate the fact that side skills are required in the missions in the final chapters. It's so stupid to put them in there and not in optional mission or in the world, even if we're lucky that it's not that difficult to complete them but the rhythm is killed. It's one of the negative aspects that I'm seeing in the game.

Era, quick question. I'm sure it has been asked a lot so I'll apologize in advance for the redundancy: how are the Japanese voices?

I'm a bit biased since I really like japanese voice acting with how they do and I'm a fan of a bunch of VA but with this game it's really great in my opinion. Nia, Rex, Pandoria, Morag, Pyra/Mythra, Poppi, Malos and Jin are probably my favorites
 
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OnanieBomb

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I just started chapter 7. How much of a haul is it to the end? I'm debating whether I should take a break so I don't get burnt out or Just haul ass to the ending.
 

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I reached the final boss and I'm stucked in the second phase when
he invoke the two colossus

Damn, I thought that I would beat it today but I guess not.
 

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I finished the game. The last boss wasn't that difficult but I was able to do it
I got 2 orbs on the last boss with Pneuma with his life in the mid. He was going to kill me when I launched the attack and damn, I can't believe that I was able to finish him.

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Either way, I loved this game. The characters are extremely likeable and charismatic, the worldbuilding is fantastic, the cities and titans are really great in visuals and exploration, the story is really great, there's some really good developments in there, along with great backstories and concepts for the blades, titans, powers and the world. Also, the gameplay in the game is bit difficult to understand in the beginning with the different concepts but in few hours it was pretty easy to dominate and it was reaaaaaaaly fun. Sidequests weren't really interesting for me, at least the majority that I picked up.. I will try to do them in the post game and see if I change my opinion.

The negative points are some designs that I disliked in the rare blades, the field skills being in the story for like three times, the fps sometimes in cities and all and from my mind, that's it with what bothered me. Nothing game breaking for me but it's still in there.

And I think that's it. It's the best Xenoblade for me and also my favorite one. I would give the game a 90 if I needed to give a score.
 

Discharger

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I finished the game. The last boss wasn't that difficult but I was able to do it
I got 2 orbs on the last boss with Pneuma with his life in the mid. He was going to kill me when I launched the attack and damn, I can't believe that I was able to finish him.

DWNGdv3VQAA_GxK.jpg

Either way, I loved this game. The characters are extremely likeable and charismatic, the worldbuilding is fantastic, the cities and titans are really great in visuals and exploration, the story is really great, there's some really good developments in there, along with great backstories and concepts for the blades, titans, powers and the world. Also, the gameplay in the game is bit difficult to understand in the beginning with the different concepts but in few hours it was pretty easy to dominate and it was reaaaaaaaly fun. Sidequests weren't really interesting for me, at least the majority that I picked up.. I will try to do them in the post game and see if I change my opinion.

The negative points are some designs that I disliked in the rare blades, the field skills being in the story for like three times, the fps sometimes in cities and all and from my mind, that's it with what bothered me. Nothing game breaking for me but it's still in there.

And I think that's it. It's the best Xenoblade for me and also my favorite one. I would give the game a 90 if I needed to give a score.

Glad to see another person see this game through to the conclusion. I feel like I might be spoiled playing other games in the future because it's rare one makes me feel like this one did. In fact, I can't think of another game I connected with this way. It's the combination of all the elements that makes it so great to me. The music, used to absolute precision to elicit maximum impact in every major scene. The story has some heavy emotional moments, and the characters are so likable and you really feel for what they've gone through. The combat, although a lot to take in all at once, has crazy layers of depth, and once you fully grasp it, it is a ton of fun. In spite of what was said about how the game looks undocked, I felt it was quite gorgeous at times docked. Even undocked, it still looks great for a handheld game, in my opinion.

I mentioned it in one of the other XBC2 threads, but I started playing Trails in the Sky for PC. Although I'm having a great time (the dialogue may be the best I've seen in a JRPG), I'm on the last chapter, and even though I'm not all the way through it yet, and I really like the characters and story, it feels like it won't be able to pull off the emotional punches I got from XBC2. Not to say I won't enjoy other games post XBC2, but I really feel like this is a very special game.

It certainly was rushed out the door to meet the holiday 2017 release date. If it was delayed to March 2018 from the beginning and shipped with the 1.3 patch we will be getting next month, who knows what kind of reception it might have received critically? Not that it was panned, but it definitely had some issues on release that were rightfully mentioned in the reviews that have been addressed in meaningful ways post release. I truly feel the high points in this game are so high, they outweigh any other issues, even if some are legitimately frustrating.
 

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Glad to see another person see this game through to the conclusion. I feel like I might be spoiled playing other games in the future because it's rare one makes me feel like this one did. In fact, I can't think of another game I connected with this way. It's the combination of all the elements that makes it so great to me. The music, used to absolute precision to elicit maximum impact in every major scene. The story has some heavy emotional moments, and the characters are so likable and you really feel for what they've gone through. The combat, although a lot to take in all at once, has crazy layers of depth, and once you fully grasp it, it is a ton of fun. In spite of what was said about how the game looks undocked, I felt it was quite gorgeous at times docked. Even undocked, it still looks great for a handheld game, in my opinion.

I mentioned it in one of the other XBC2 threads, but I started playing Trails in the Sky for PC. Although I'm having a great time (the dialogue may be the best I've seen in a JRPG), I'm on the last chapter, and even though I'm not all the way through it yet, and I really like the characters and story, it feels like it won't be able to pull off the emotional punches I got from XBC2. Not to say I won't enjoy other games post XBC2, but I really feel like this is a very special game.

It certainly was rushed out the door to meet the holiday 2017 release date. If it was delayed to March 2018 from the beginning and shipped with the 1.3 patch we will be getting next month, who knows what kind of reception it might have received critically? Not that it was panned, but it definitely had some issues on release that were rightfully mentioned in the reviews that have been addressed in meaningful ways post release. I truly feel the high points in this game are so high, they outweigh any other issues, even if some are legitimately frustrating.

The game also really resonate with me. I was so interested in the story and characters that I wasn't in the mood to do sidequests at all or other things. hahah

And I definitely agree, the game is beautiful with it's different scenarios with the Titans. I'll even say this about the character models of the different artstyles, including the ones made by Saito.

Xenoblade 2 entered in my top 10 of favorite games in my life. You can see how I liked it.
 

Nephilim

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I think the graphics biggest problem is the resolution. Otherwise it looks fantastic, Alrest is such a nice world to be in.
 

Ryouji Gunblade

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Is Mor Ardain supposed to be good? It's the first location in a Xenoblade game that I actually hate. Uninteresting layout, blade ability blockades in the main quest, level 80s ready to pounce on you everywhere.

Sigh. Is there a way to upgrade superstrength for Poppi?
 

Discharger

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Is Mor Ardain supposed to be good? It's the first location in a Xenoblade game that I actually hate. Uninteresting layout, blade ability blockades in the main quest, level 80s ready to pounce on you everywhere.

Sigh. Is there a way to upgrade superstrength for Poppi?

The music for Mor Ardain is amazing, but I agree - of the major titans, in the end, it felt a little lacking. I wouldn't say I hated it, but having to navigate through the old factory to get to the open areas below was a bit of a chore. Not a terrible area, but but it fell short of some of the others in my opinion.

Yes, you can upgrade Poppi's superstrength by increasing the node on her affinity chart. Can't remember off hand what is involved, but I remember that when I went back to do it after getting stuck at the field check you're thinking of, it didn't take too long. Might need to pouch spam her favorite items of a certain category or something along those lines.

Actually, just looked it up, and to raise from level 1 to 2, you need to "Use Poppi α's favorite pouch items (Staple Foods category)", so just any staple foods. From Level 2 to 3 you need "Use Poppi α's favorite pouch item from the Drinks category" (Fizz Juice - found in Argentum). For both levels, you need to do this 4 times; not that bad.
 

Mr.Fletcher

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I actually think there's a lot jam-packed into Mor Ardain. There are a fair few hidden areas and secret pathways.

Of course it can't match up to Gormott and Uraya, but I definitely think it trades blows with later areas. It's not big, but it's pretty dense when you really explore it.
 

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Was there really any actual difference between Common, Rare and Legendary cores? All the unique blades I got were all from common, and the last two from rare. Didn't get crap from Legendary. Also I finally got every single blade that aren't from story, on chapter 5 too lol.
 

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Was there really any actual difference between Common, Rare and Legendary cores? All the unique blades I got were all from common, and the last two from rare. Didn't get crap from Legendary. Also I finally got every single blade that aren't from story, on chapter 5 too lol.
I've been collecting data and analyzing it with a neural network and there is definitely a difference between the crystals. The most noticeable effect is rarer core crystals give more crowns on the Common Blades, but they also definitely give a higher chance of finding Rare Blades. The problem is finding a Rare Blade gives a significant suppressing effect to your chances of finding more Rares + the rarer core crystals are, well, rarer. By the time you find them in any quantity even close to commons, you have enough Rare Blades that the rarer core crystals won't even be able to give all that much. They're still definitely better than common cores, though.
 

ActStriker

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Finished Ursula's side quest last night. Took a while, but I was so busy doing other stuff it wasn't too bad.
 

Discharger

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I've been collecting data and analyzing it with a neural network and there is definitely a difference between the crystals. The most noticeable effect is rarer core crystals give more crowns on the Common Blades, but they also definitely give a higher chance of finding Rare Blades. The problem is finding a Rare Blade gives a significant suppressing effect to your chances of finding more Rares + the rarer core crystals are, well, rarer. By the time you find them in any quantity even close to commons, you have enough Rare Blades that the rarer core crystals won't even be able to give all that much. They're still definitely better than common cores, though.

Thanks for putting in the work on this. I suspect once you get the results you've been working towards, it will be a big help for the XBC2 community.

As for my own anecdotal experience, from what I've seen, the best way to get your missing rare blades is to just crush cores until you get them. Although I don't doubt rare and legendary cores have a better chance of dropping them, I had the most luck just repeatedly popping what cores I had until I won the RNG lottery. In my case, since I always had more commons than rare and legendary, it just ended up they dropped from commons more than the other way around. At least that's what it seemed like to me.

trying to decide between this game or bayonetta. never played any in the series.

Haven't played Bayonetta, but I would say your choice should depend on how you feel about shonen anime and whether you prefer jrpgs or action games, and which genre you'd like to play most right now.

XBC2 will seem like it has a fairly conventional shonen anime story at first, but that changes as the story unravels. If the possibly of seeing familiar genre tropes really bothers you, you may want to hold off. Not that XBC2 doesn't surpass those cliched tropes with solid character development as the story moves on, but it will seem tropey initially.

Since I don't mind those shonen tropes if they are done well, and the characters aren't cookie cutter copies of those tropes, who do more than enough to differentiate themselves, I was grabbed by the story right away. It picks up steam as it goes along, and in the later half of the game, it hits full tilt. Once you get to a certain point, for me it was an exercise in willpower to not just ignore all side content and push through the game.

As for having never played the series before, this was my first Xenoblade game, and I loved it. This game can be taken as it's own entity without leaving you feel like you're missing something important.
 

Mr.Fletcher

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I think I'm going to hold off on getting my last few rare blades -I've burned through a load of cores and got zilch.

I might try and get my last few in NG+ when there's plenty of rare and legendary cores up for grabs, without grinding for hours on end.
 

ActStriker

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Reached Chapter 8 this morning after hitting a block in the sidequests I had active.

Oh man the cutscenes in this game deliver, especially the important story ones.

When Malos brought out his Monado, I just kept going "What!? What!?!? Whaaaaaaaat???"

Spirit Crucible Elpys wasn't too bad for me,I was around Lv50-51 so I wasn't constantly being aggroed. I did run away a bunch when I could. I could see how annoying it can be though.

Oh man, mechs and now ruined contemporary civilization? Awwww yeah
 

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Interesting, it seems the effect of your luck stat is proportional to the square root of it. So 800 luck has 2x the effect of 200 luck [EDIT: Corrected my math here, oops]. The last few points don't actually matter all that much.
It was also found that the game considers either your highest idea stat or the one you used boosters for. If you use a booster, it uses that idea stat. Otherwise, it uses your highest.
Finally, rare core crystals have a 50% better chance of giving rare blades than common core crystals, and legendary core crystals are twice as likely to give rare blades than rare core crystals.
I'll be back with specific Rare Blade probabilities once that's been figured out. I cannot take credit for this discovery, that goes to the guy who grabbed the full soundtrack.
 
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Weebos

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Interesting, it seems the effect of your luck stat is proportional to the square root of it. So 900 luck has 3x the effect of 300 luck. The last few points don't actually matter all that much.
It was also found that the game considers either your highest idea stat or the one you used boosters for. If you use a booster, it uses that idea stat. Otherwise, it uses your highest.
Finally, rare core crystals have a 50% better chance of giving rare blades than common core crystals, and legendary core crystals are twice as likely to give rare blades than rare core crystals.
I'll be back with specific Rare Blade probabilities once that's been figured out. I cannot take credit for this discovery, that goes to the guy who grabbed the full soundtrack.
This is all from data mining? Good info, thanks for sharing.
 

CielTynave

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Is the playtime glitch still an issue? I know it was supposed to have been fixed with the first or second patch but I read that a bunch of people still had it happen. I'm kind of uptight about my playtime being accurate so I've just been closing the game every time I stop playing for the day lol.
 

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Interesting, it seems the effect of your luck stat is proportional to the square root of it. So 800 luck has 2x the effect of 200 luck [EDIT: Corrected my math here, oops]. The last few points don't actually matter all that much.
It was also found that the game considers either your highest idea stat or the one you used boosters for. If you use a booster, it uses that idea stat. Otherwise, it uses your highest.
Finally, rare core crystals have a 50% better chance of giving rare blades than common core crystals, and legendary core crystals are twice as likely to give rare blades than rare core crystals.
I'll be back with specific Rare Blade probabilities once that's been figured out. I cannot take credit for this discovery, that goes to the guy who grabbed the full soundtrack.
Where are you reading this? Any further details?

That's very interesting info. To me this suggests rares aren't so much better than commons. For example, this means that opening 30 commons is the same as 20 rares, which isn't that big of a difference IMO.
 

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Where are you reading this? Any further details?

That's very interesting info. To me this suggests rares aren't so much better than commons. For example, this means that opening 30 commons is the same as 20 rares, which isn't that big of a difference IMO.
Sourced from the guy who mined up the OST from the game's files, you can find his findings on the reddit Discord server. Dunno why he's not sharing his findings publically outside of the server but he's posted a few data tables there + pseudo code for part of the Blade pull algorithm. It looks legit, especially because he mined up the OST. I can dig back through the Discord logs and post screenshots of his exact findings here tomorrow when I wake up if people are curious and don't want to go digging themselves. Right now I'm crawling into bed for the night.