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Like, he shouldn't get through the vetting process to run again, right? Do they even vet people? The Globe and Mail story about Doug Ford selling hash should DQ him from most parties, right?
 

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I don't know how I feel about Senators who are completely unaccountable to a party and can basically stay for life unless they sexually harass someone. Then again I have no idea what being an independent senator means when you owe your job to Trudeau in the first place.

Yeah I don't know how I feel about independent Senators yet either. The impacts of this new system are still developing.

One interesting thing is that with newly emboldened independent Senators, lobbying is way up.

Six-fold increase in Senate lobbying under Trudeau, with independents taking most meetings
It's a huge leap in just a few years, but lobbyists say the 'new normal' reflects how independents are changing how decisions get made
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AuthenticM

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CTV updated their article. Brown is running.

Patrick Brown enters Ontario PC leadership race

Former Ontario PC leader Patrick Brown is running to reclaim the party's leadership with a last-minute entry into the party race.

Brown stepped down from the job three weeks ago after CTV News reported sexual misconduct allegations against Brown by two women. Brown denies the allegations.

His departure triggered a leadership race within the PC party, which is hoping to unseat Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne in the provincial election on June 7.
 

djkimothy

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I wish someone could shop Brown's face to this...

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Prax

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what a clown show
is this our mini version of the US's republicans trying to jam in the car for the gop run?
 
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The longer this ludicrous exercise lasts, the more likely the anti-Wynne crowd mobilizes behind Horwath instead of whatever lame duck leader emerges from this fracas.

I think you're wildly overestimating Horwath's skill as a politician.

Like, he shouldn't get through the vetting process to run again, right? Do they even vet people? The Globe and Mail story about Doug Ford selling hash should DQ him from most parties, right?

No vetting process!



In their defense, they probably didn't envision a scenario where their leader quits in disgrace, then claims to be vindicated and turns around and runs again.

I wonder what his pitch will be?
"You've already spent millions branding me -- don't let it go to waste. Vote Brown!"

Yeah I don't know how I feel about independent Senators yet either. The impacts of this new system are still developing.

One interesting thing is that with newly emboldened independent Senators, lobbying is way up.

I can't remember if Harper's lobbying restrictions applied to the Senate and Senators. They're probably not at risk of leaving their jobs to go work for the lobbying firms, so that part doesn't apply, but I'm not sure about the rest. I'm betting that they won't want to leave those loopholes open for too long.
 

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I think you're wildly overestimating Horwath's skill as a politician.





In their defense, they probably didn't envision a scenario where their leader quits in disgrace, then claims to be vindicated and turns around and runs again.

I wonder what his pitch will be?
"You've already spent millions branding me -- don't let it go to waste. Vote Brown!"


Considering the political climate we live in I would prefer the saving money approach. Instead he'll try to present himself as a survivor of an "unjust" trend of false accusations and fake news. I' m really surprised Federal Conservatives are ready to burn Caroline Mulroney over this Ontario PC circus. Back when Trudeau was elected you would read columns and opinions about how she was their best bet against Trudeau and now she's fighting a disgraced pervert and a drug dealer that is the brother of the crack smoking mayor. Not that I mind since I don't like conservative platforms at all but you would think call would have been made.
 
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I think she realized that, realistically, she has a much better shot at power provincially than federally. Scheer will lead the CPC into the 2019 election, and if he loses I have no doubt that Bernier is going to try and take him out as quickly as possible. Assuming that Bernier wins, leads them into 2023, and gets crushed, she'd be waiting until 2024-25 or so to run for the CPC leadership, and that would only come after spending six years in opposition. I can see why she might rather take a shot in Ontario now.
 

Vamphuntr

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I think she realized that, realistically, she has a much better shot at power provincially than federally. Scheer will lead the CPC into the 2019 election, and if he loses I have no doubt that Bernier is going to try and take him out as quickly as possible. Assuming that Bernier wins, leads them into 2023, and gets crushed, she'd be waiting until 2024-25 or so to run for the CPC leadership, and that would only come after spending six years in opposition. I can see why she might rather take a shot in Ontario now.

I can definitely agree with this but in the case she loses the race she might be stuck with her seat at Queen's Park leading nowhere until the next provincial election too and with the circus that is about to ensue her public image might not remain unscathed. Justin Trudeau was bench warming in the parliament with his Papineau seat for a long time too until he became the savior off the Liberals. It just feel bizarre to me. You would think her father still have connections at a federal level.
 
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Anyone watch Globals interview with Brown? Dude didnt do too well

you cant win until you prove these accusations false, and theres too much smoke for them to be false Id say so...
 

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Honestly, of the four people in the race, Brown is still probably the only decent choice in a field of bad choices. I guess technically Mulroney is the only one who is clean since she literally has no experience and goes out of her way to not offend and PCs.

Yeah I don't know how I feel about independent Senators yet either. The impacts of this new system are still developing.

One interesting thing is that with newly emboldened independent Senators, lobbying is way up.
Oh great, so we now have politicians for life who are unaccountable to anyone, even the Prime Minister, taking meetings from lobbyists all day. This is a democracy, right? lol
 

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Honestly, of the four people in the race, Brown is still probably the only decent choice in a field of bad choices. I guess technically Mulroney is the only one who is clean since she literally has no experience and goes out of her way to not offend and PCs.
There are 5 candidates. Poor Tanya Granic Allen is just wasting money.
 

Mr.Mike

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I wonder if Brown will come out against carbon taxation in the coming days? It'd be his only redeeming quality in the race, gone.
 

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I wonder how many of his former supporters/volunteers that jumped to other candidates will come back to him.
 
I don't know how I feel about Senators who are completely unaccountable to a party and can basically stay for life unless they sexually harass someone. Then again I have no idea what being an independent senator means when you owe your job to Trudeau in the first place.
Senators have good behaviour tenure. There's nothing Trudeau or any other PM can do if they vote in a way he doesn't like.

Brown re-entering the leadership race is pure farce.
 

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Just watching a new story about the gun store that sold Cruz the AR-15 and how easy it was for him to buy one made me think about Canada's gun laws.

It's actually shockingly easy to get a gun license in Canada and in 2016 I think less than 1% of applications were denied. The background check is a bit of a joke, having been a reference for a friend recently, where there's no actual verification of the references. It'd be very easy to trick the RCMP, since all you have to do is call and say your name - they didn't do anything to verify that I was who I said I was.

That said, it seems like the hoops of getting a license is enough to at least make mass shootings rarer than they would be otherwise. For rifles and other legally purchased weapons, the fact that you have to pay for a 500 dollar course, take a competency exam, have 2 people say you're not a criminal or have any mental health issues or be at risk of suicide, then pay 80 dollars every few years to renew your license... even if a lot of people slip through the cracks, it's hard enough that you really have to put in the time and effort to want to buy a gun.

I guess Americans will never go for licensing because of the second amendment and all that, but it's such an easy solution that it seems really idiotic no one wants to do it down there.
 

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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...constitution-canadienne-au-congres-du-npd.php

Singh is now singing to the tune of Caron and Boulerice on the fuckin' reopening of the Constitution.

NDP and Conservatives, you Nationaliste panderers!!!!
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i happy for Wynne winning her next election in June, LOL

At this point, I think we're just going to have to have to deal with the fact that the constitution is going to be inevitably reopened. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I personally think a countries constitution should be revisited every couple decades or so to prevent the disease known as USA-ism. Basically, we don't need to worship the podium the constitution lives on, its a law like any other and laws can be wrong.
 

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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/p...constitution-canadienne-au-congres-du-npd.php

Singh is now singing to the tune of Caron and Boulerice on the fuckin' reopening of the Constitution.

NDP and Conservatives, you Nationaliste panderers!!!!
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i happy for Wynne winning her next election in June, LOL

With the Radio-Canada report today and what you posted it seems he'll try to win ground in QC all the way. Now he's talking about taxing Netflix because we are the only province caring about this. He's unelectable in the mind of nationalistes because of his religion anyway so it's a peculiar strategy.
 

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it is important to separate the electorate from the politicians.

the noise is made by politicians. The electorate are not asking for any of this
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I hope the federal NDP implodes and that the various factions eat each other.
I have zero sympathy for Federalist parties who pander to Nationalistes
 
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This isn't a good response when people are already questioning your ability to lead an increasingly divided party (at least,on the provincial level), especially when you admit to not speaking to either Premier: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-pipeline-bc-alberta-trans-mountain-1.4540543
Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh is refusing to take sides in the British Columbia-Alberta pipeline feud.

Environmental policy resolutions are set to take up a large amount of real estate at the party's convention in Ottawa this weekend.

But Singh wouldn't take the side of either of the NDP premiers currently at odds over the proposed expansion of the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain pipeline.

Instead, he opted for diplomacy.

"Premier Notley is doing exactly what she promised to do," Singh told CBC Radio's The House. "Premier Horgan is doing exactly what he promised to do."
At this point, I think we're just going to have to have to deal with the fact that the constitution is going to be inevitably reopened. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I personally think a countries constitution should be revisited every couple decades or so to prevent the disease known as USA-ism. Basically, we don't need to worship the podium the constitution lives on, its a law like any other and laws can be wrong.
I'm not opposed to it either in theory, however, the issue with reopening Canada's constitution is that this round of talks would almost certainly need to have Quebec approve of it and have certain demands be met (much like the current Premier suggested last year) so as to not reopen some very deep wounds given what happened the last time, not to mention that this would be further compounded by the next Quebec Premier being from the CAQ if the polls are to be believed.
 
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Jagmeet just destroyed in his speech at the NDP convention. Check it out if you get a sec. guy is such a natural speaker.
 

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The video for the speech is down on the CPAC website here. :(
I'll try it later.

The big takeaway I got from the first 3 minutes before it petered out is that people who thought the establishment NDP was still hugely influential in the national wing of the party and that there'd be these huge insurmountable obstacles because of it... I dunno, the fact that the convention has the lowest ever average age demographics tells me that's not the case. This tells me it's a potentially pro-Leap crowd and that will be confirmed or not in how the policy book looks after the convention.

Just watching a new story about the gun store that sold Cruz the AR-15 and how easy it was for him to buy one made me think about Canada's gun laws.

It's actually shockingly easy to get a gun license in Canada and in 2016 I think less than 1% of applications were denied. The background check is a bit of a joke, having been a reference for a friend recently, where there's no actual verification of the references. It'd be very easy to trick the RCMP, since all you have to do is call and say your name - they didn't do anything to verify that I was who I said I was.

That said, it seems like the hoops of getting a license is enough to at least make mass shootings rarer than they would be otherwise. For rifles and other legally purchased weapons, the fact that you have to pay for a 500 dollar course, take a competency exam, have 2 people say you're not a criminal or have any mental health issues or be at risk of suicide, then pay 80 dollars every few years to renew your license... even if a lot of people slip through the cracks, it's hard enough that you really have to put in the time and effort to want to buy a gun.

I guess Americans will never go for licensing because of the second amendment and all that, but it's such an easy solution that it seems really idiotic no one wants to do it down there.

You forgot the 60-day wait period we have here that's non-existent in the US, which generally speaking impedes a lot of people who are intent on making a violent rash decision because... well, people don't like to wait when they're emotionally driven to do something.
 

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We could end up with a Liberal minority. The Libs just have to hope for another "I'll fire 100,000 government workers" moment from the PC's.
The only two things I could see changing the election outcome at this point are the following:
-Wynne resigns
-The PCs elect Doug Ford, who then proceeds to have several "i'll fire" moments and lose both a provincial and municipal election
 
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