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REgals [Women of Era] |OT| Episode I: The Female Menace
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Hi. Guy here. We have a discussion going on in the black panther thread over whether the villain was myginistic, due to his violence against women.
For me, seeing women as just regular action heroes in stories is part of how I've framed my feminist ideals: I love action movies and I want to see women participate in them, which means they are going to participate in violence as well, both dishing it out and taking it. I'm not seeking out gratuitious violence, but being able to take a punch is as much part of a good action scene as is throwing one.
I'm not asking you to validate my analysis of the movie or anything like that, but I always try to be aware of how people who have to live with this kind of representation of them think about it. So....do you agree that you want to see women in equal action roles to men that we have now? Do you prefer that there were simply less violence focused action movies overall, so women could participate without it potentially getting too ugly?
My perspective is that because Black Panther puts women into positions of importance, they are treated no differently than men are in the movie, and indeed compared to most action movies. I always felt that the "Men are the expendable gender" was a form of incidental positive discrimination for women, since because they are usually depicted outside of positions of power, villains have to specifically seek them out to inflict violence on them. In BP, the violence against them just seems incidental to the plot of the story going on, something I think is a good thing.
For me, seeing women as just regular action heroes in stories is part of how I've framed my feminist ideals: I love action movies and I want to see women participate in them, which means they are going to participate in violence as well, both dishing it out and taking it. I'm not seeking out gratuitious violence, but being able to take a punch is as much part of a good action scene as is throwing one.
I'm not asking you to validate my analysis of the movie or anything like that, but I always try to be aware of how people who have to live with this kind of representation of them think about it. So....do you agree that you want to see women in equal action roles to men that we have now? Do you prefer that there were simply less violence focused action movies overall, so women could participate without it potentially getting too ugly?
Agreed I remember when I was younger we had a better grasp of what winter is even in SC. There was atleast 4 months of day temps being 70 or below and nights being 50 or below. Snow was always a rarity but it did happen and it would actually stick.
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Misogyny is defined as "a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." Being violent towards a woman is not necessarily misogynistic. I haven't seen the movie so I won't speak on it any further.
My favorite action movie last year was Atomic Blonde, and she gets the shit kicked out of her at times. It's awesome.
Misogyny is defined as "a dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." Being violent towards a woman is not necessarily misogynistic. I haven't seen the movie so I won't speak on it any further.
My favorite action movie last year was Atomic Blonde, and she gets the shit kicked out of her at times. It's awesome.
I can agree and say I would be willing to see more female action heroes. My only rule would be don't take an already established hero and turn them female for the hell of it. Perfect example is James Bond I never want to see "Jane Bond". I'm fine with films having a woman in that kind of spy role just not under the 007 umbrella. If you want to improve the Bond brand female wise I would suggest we have another Jinx like character from Die Another Day with better writing. I thought the fight scene with Jinx and Frost was pretty cool to see when I was 9. Perfect example of doing a female character right in a male dominated franchise is Furiousa. They managed to make that character just as important as Max without being Max.
Yes to the first question and no to the second.
I have zero problem with female combatant/action heroes dishing out and receiving violence. This isn't gendered violence or something like domestic violence. Women aren't fragile beings and if they're meant to be portrayed as action-oriented, then they should be treated the same way male heroes are.
Thanks for the responses. I'm pretty much with you, but some people construe violence with women as inherently false. And it's just one of those positive discrimination norms that society will hopefully phase out as representation gets more diverse.
On that note, Alicia Vikander has that thread talking about how Tomb Raider empowered her. I was actually thinking about how the reboot was criticized as having it's own problems for putting Lara through all sorts of pain in her adventure on that island and....well, yeah, but again, if we compare male protagonists, we see that them suffering creative deaths other games too (like Dead Space or Resident evil). You could just as easily frame "Wow, Lara getting so brutalized by her adventure is really uncomfortable. How much more can this girl take?" to "Holy shit, look at all the brutal shit her adventure throws at her and she keeps going? How much can this girl take!"
Tomb Raider 2009 had it's magnitude of issues (especially storywise), but I always felt that her taking the damage she did kinda established her badass cred.
On that note, Alicia Vikander has that thread talking about how Tomb Raider empowered her. I was actually thinking about how the reboot was criticized as having it's own problems for putting Lara through all sorts of pain in her adventure on that island and....well, yeah, but again, if we compare male protagonists, we see that them suffering creative deaths other games too (like Dead Space or Resident evil). You could just as easily frame "Wow, Lara getting so brutalized by her adventure is really uncomfortable. How much more can this girl take?" to "Holy shit, look at all the brutal shit her adventure throws at her and she keeps going? How much can this girl take!"
Tomb Raider 2009 had it's magnitude of issues (especially storywise), but I always felt that her taking the damage she did kinda established her badass cred.
It's not positive discrimination. Positive discrimination is going out of your way to make media where women kick ass (Jane Bond, Ghost Busters 2016, Ocean's Eight).
Refusing to combat women is negative discrimination. It's directly saying that we're not capable of holding our own or not strong enough to face the consequences of our actions, and I'll have none of it.
Refusing to combat women is negative discrimination. It's directly saying that we're not capable of holding our own or not strong enough to face the consequences of our actions, and I'll have none of it.
I probably misworded it. My bad. Let me rephrase. What I mean by positive discrimination is how, because it's usually men that are the characters in power in a narrative, that means that violence against them when conflict arises is expected. Villains as a result have to go out of their way to hurt women because, by not being a significant character, they're relegated to bystanders in the conflict, so going after them is typically a sort of kick the dog moment.
As a result, we have made it so that culture frames men as the expendable gender, so when women suffer from violence in an action movie, it's typically treated as special, more villainous for the fact that it's happening to a woman. As such, the message becomes that woman are not meant to suffer violence, and those who inflict violence on a woman are more evil than those that don't. Hence, women get the 'privilege' of having their pain be more important, more tragic than mens. A lot of fiction characters and even real people take pride that they have stronger reservations about not hurting women as a result, even if they're okay hurting men.
And yeah, I agree, it's only there because women are framed as being weaker from the onset.
That sounds a bit like here. We've had some random snow days and then it will go back to raining a few days later. I really don't like this time of year.
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Veelk, I think you might be looking for the phrase 'benevolent sexism'.
It's not the first problem that needs to be addressed in media, imo, but it's not a great one either. Also 'womens pain' is completely disregarded in the real world, so the only place it MIGHT be given any weight is as a result of violence....except in the real world, people dismiss domestic abuse victims, so it actually isn't. That's purely fictional, more than anything else mentioned.
It's not the first problem that needs to be addressed in media, imo, but it's not a great one either. Also 'womens pain' is completely disregarded in the real world, so the only place it MIGHT be given any weight is as a result of violence....except in the real world, people dismiss domestic abuse victims, so it actually isn't. That's purely fictional, more than anything else mentioned.
I liked something on tumblr a bit ago that had a bunch of guides for those kinds of thingsIs there a name for this kind of style of top?
Seems to be a Peter Pan collar.
obv i couldnt quite comment on the rest of the top since you just see the collar
full post https://decorkiki.tumblr.com/post/106594886247/a-visual-fashion-guide-for-women-necklines
y'know it probably just is. my brain completed the collar to be rounded behind her hair but you can clearly see the line of the blouse in the middle behind the top of the sweater
Thanks, both these were helpful. Glad to see there is a guide for this with names and everything. That skirt guide is useful, too!it's just a white blouse and a pullover sweater
I love this style. Hmmmmm....it's just a white blouse and a pullover sweater
Yeah, it's really nice. I'll dress like that a lot when it's colder out.
Problem is my boobs are big so I have to get a bigger size even though my torso is slim so it looks like I'm just swimming in any sweater or button up I wear
Have you ever gotten anything tailored? I realize that's extra work and extra cost but it's saved some outfits for me.
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I've had things tailored, it's amazing. Of course I have a friend who is a tailor, a good one, which certainly helps. Networking is important.
Theres a humblebundle rn that has a bunch of comics by women/about women with the carity being Girls Who Code
I recommend
Lumberjanes - A kids cartoon esque book about a girl's summer camp. Super fun and enjoyable and soon(ish) to have a live action movie.
Paper Girls - A super interesting young adult book about time travel and general scifi intrigue. Its plot is far from resolved but you'll really want to see where it goes.
Bitch Planet - A book about a prison planet where they keep unruly women. A revolutionary celebration of women of all kinds.
only 18 hours left!
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/geek-gals-books
I've also read Slam!, Deadly Class, and Giant Days which I found enjoyable and the writers on Red Sonja and Jem and the Holograms, Gail Simone and Kelly Thompson respectively, are ones I'll always recommend.
I recommend
Lumberjanes - A kids cartoon esque book about a girl's summer camp. Super fun and enjoyable and soon(ish) to have a live action movie.
Paper Girls - A super interesting young adult book about time travel and general scifi intrigue. Its plot is far from resolved but you'll really want to see where it goes.
Bitch Planet - A book about a prison planet where they keep unruly women. A revolutionary celebration of women of all kinds.
only 18 hours left!
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/geek-gals-books
I've also read Slam!, Deadly Class, and Giant Days which I found enjoyable and the writers on Red Sonja and Jem and the Holograms, Gail Simone and Kelly Thompson respectively, are ones I'll always recommend.
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So uhm, I can't remember if I posted it here or not. But who has two thumbs and got engaged over the holidays?
Ayeeeeeeeeeee
My fiance proposed to me in a crowded park. It was pretty amazing even though I made him stand up because I started getting shy because everyone was looking at us. :3
Ayeeeeeeeeeee
My fiance proposed to me in a crowded park. It was pretty amazing even though I made him stand up because I started getting shy because everyone was looking at us. :3
Holy shit congratulations!
Speaking as a newly engaged woman myself, the feeling is awesome. I'm so happy for you ♥
Congratulations :D
That's so awesome. I wish all the best for both :)
"Get up, you're embarrassing me."
"But I'm trying to propo--"
"Yes, I'll marry you, stand up!"
Yeah, maybe I'm looking at it wrong. For me, I'm looking at it isolated as a piece of entertainment, on how good art can be made. In terms of real life, my feelings on violence change drastically, especially given how violence against different types of people is treated differently.
I guess...I just need to find a way to word it right, but what I'm trying to say is that what Black Panther did with it's female characters and how it had them interact with violence is what I want to see more of. In the movie, they're just treated as normal fighters and they engage in fights as any warrior would. And I think that's awesome. I think that's positive. I want to see more of that.
Also, Septimus Prime and sabrina , thanks, now I gotta see Atomic Blonde.
Congrats! Happy for you!
So I just wanted to say a (super belated) thank you to the folks here who wished me well with my medical stuff. I did manage to get my surgery done! And I learned yesterday from the pathology results that I do not have cancer. It's not all over... I'm having a bit of a battle getting the right drugs prescribed to manage my bleeding going forward (the GP told me the consultant needs to prescribe it, the consultant told me the GP needs to prescribe it, the GP now has a four week wait for appointments, and at this point the Benny Hill theme started playing). But it's not cancer, and I'm doing better.
Damn, sorry. It's been unseasonably cold here. It got all the way down to 43F/6C outside and I had to learn how to turn the heat on in my house.
I was at Walgreens today buying pads and they had diva cups right there and I decided on a whim that I would try it out. They were more expensive than I thought but worth the price if they save me from buying more supplies in the future.
The lady at the check out asked "do they actually work?"
Haha, that's what I'm gonna find out. :P
The lady at the check out asked "do they actually work?"
Haha, that's what I'm gonna find out. :P
I'm sorry Linkura you're already dead :-(
Since I turned 30 I check for gray hairs, I dread the day. I'm sure they're there but my hair color masks them so that so far I haven't found any. As soon as I do I'm going to dye my hair for the first time. Thinking hot pink or magenta to start out
Since I turned 30 I check for gray hairs, I dread the day. I'm sure they're there but my hair color masks them so that so far I haven't found any. As soon as I do I'm going to dye my hair for the first time. Thinking hot pink or magenta to start out
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Just read a tweet in portuguese about how every straight man knows EVEYRTHING about consent and how it can be taken away even if you wanted sex first and they will show you this knowledge if you try to put your finger on his butt during sex. They just play dumb when it comes to us =|
Aparently it was a translated tweet. Someone mentioned the origfinal on the replies
yeah I suck at paraphrasing