Mo'Nique needs to come to the realization that nobody is checking for her like that in the stand up realm. She should have just done it on her own like other comics have, but it seems like she needs the Netflix platform more than they need her.
Mo'nique speaks with The Breakfast Club on why she was given Donkey of the Day for Netflix boycott
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Item 4 forbids her of making/taping a new tv special for 12 months with a third party. It also locks her with Netflix with the first negotiation/first refusal clause. I mean, I don't know about Netflix contracts, but it does seem like a bad one for her.
Or maybe now that this controversy has gone for long now they do? If she gets a better deal with Amazon/Hulu or anything else, good on her.
That part is pretty bad. Like a post in page one said - Netflix lowballs her and locks her in on their terms.
God damn!
I legit have no idea how this guy is still on air.
Theres so many clips on Youtube of him straight up sexually harassing women on air, its not even like funny its just super uncomfortable and i only stay to see if the women will call him out on it....and they sorta just brush it off and hope the segment moves forward but in the videos you can see how disturbed they are.
How does his co-host live with herself having witness all the times he has said and done absolutely disgusting things.
So you're as delusional as her, gotcha.
She lied, and her "daddy" got caught in ducktales too.
This really isn't a burden that should fall on Angela Yee. It's not a female's job to keep a male in check in the entertainment industry (or any industry). Especially one with significantly more influence.
In my youth, we used the word "nigga" quite often, but I don't think I've ever seen it used in this way. Kudos. Just woke up and I'm dying here.
I didnt say it was her burden, i was simply wondering how she lives with herself....heck how everyone in the room watches this guy do his thing.
I dont expect her to put him in check or wahtever....but theres no way she feels good about herself as a woman after some of the things he has said and done in studio when she leaves.
lol the word "sell out" is putting it lightly. She just called him a freakin race traitor for calling her stupid lol.
Because she's probably used to that. Almost every female in the work place witnesses this kind of stuff occur, and sometimes worse. For the longest time, we've accepted that there is little we can do and move on.
That's all pretty standard stuff. How often do you see comedians do multiple specials for competing networks in the same year? And right of first refusal just means Netflix gets first crack at her next special. She can still go with another network if they outbid Netflix.
What matters is that she thought it isn't her worth and refused. If she gets a better deal because of that, good on her. I don't know ANY of these comedians. But the hate towards this woman seen misguided and odd to me. She thinks the deal isn't good for her. Reading the deal, I agree. Not sure why people are mad that she thinks she's worth more than what Netflix was willing to pay her.
It's more about her asking everyone to boycott Netflix and calling anyone who disagrees with her is embracing racism and sexism. Or is a race traitor in this case.
Well, she is in her right to ask for a boycott from people that support her and make as much noise as possible. It'll help her secure a better deal eventually. She isn't forcing anyone to boycott Netflix, is she?
It is kinda weird seeing her catch some serious hate coming at her over this. I don't agree that she's worth as much as the comedians she's comparing herself to, and I have no problem with Netflix not bowing to her crying "racism/sexism" and not adjusting their offer. But you're absolutely right; at the end of the day she's simply trying to get more money. She's learning the hard way that you're worth exactly what someone else is willing to pay you.
Sure, she's well within her rights to do that. And others are well within their rights to counter her racism and sexism allegations. When they do, she seems to insult them. People can have the right to react accordingly.
That's not the issue people have with her. She's free to feel that way, but when she calls for a boycott of Netflix because of obvious racism and sexism, she's no longer just arguing what you claimed.
Nope, and she didnt force anyone to mock her stupidity. But they did it anyhow.
I would be stunned if this resulted in her getting a deal better than Netflix offered. I'm surprised someone would even suggest this. Other production companies are not interested in getting raked over the coals over pretty standard dealmaking.
People are laughing at Mo'nique because:
She called for a boycott of Netflix
She thinks she should get paid as much as the three biggest comedians on the planet
She and daddy straight up lied about the terms of the deal
She spent this entire interview trying to call out Charlemagne and dodging every single reasonable question asked of her
Daddy didn't even counter the offer
And at one point she actually compared Lee Daniels to Harvey Weinstein
No they just get first right of negotiation. That means they can match or exceed a competitor's offer. It doesn't lock her rates on future specials at all.
We don't know what Netflix was willing to pay because she didn't counter. Do you just just pay the car dealer what the MSRP says on the sticker? Of course not. Negotiation is how the entertainment industry works. Failure to counter is about the most rookie mistake anyone could make.
Angela Yee has been doing radio for 8+ years for the Breakfast Club and Shade 45 before that. She was also deeply involved in the Power 105 vs Hot97 "radio wars" prior to the Breakfast Club becoming the success it is today, including making fun of Hot 97's Mister Cee for being "in the closet". Point is, Yee has made just as many mistakes in her career that would get her shunned if she did them today but unlike Charlamagne, Yee's job isn't to be "The prince of pissing people off" (seriously Charlamagne calls himself that but people still act like he doesn't know what he's doing), her job is to be the "smart one" and Envy to be the "straight man" that Charlamagne makes fun of. That's how their show works and has grown to what it is. But in this "throw people in the trash for having an interview on Comedy Central with Tommy Pickles" era, Charlamagne's job is aging the fastest.
Winning an Oscar doesn't carry the cache many seem to think. It's basically like an Olympic Gold Medal; people care for about two weeks, then at best you're shilling Wheaties.
Monique could have made an easy half-million dollars and built on her existing brand. Instead, she killed the deal, accused an influential entertainment company of wrongdoing with no real evidence, and reinforced the notion that she's difficult to work with.
It's self-sabotage on a grand scale and it's unfortunate because she is funny and talented.
Monique could have made an easy half-million dollars and built on her existing brand. Instead, she killed the deal, accused an influential entertainment company of wrongdoing with no real evidence, and reinforced the notion that she's difficult to work with.
It's self-sabotage on a grand scale and it's unfortunate because she is funny and talented.
I'm just quoting this part of your point because it is true, it is weird.
I'm watching this and I can't understand why people aren't siding more with Mo'nique. I mean, Amy Schumer also negotiated with Netflix for a bigger deal and got it. She making a stand is good for other Afro-American comedians and actors. She is asking to get paid what she thinks she's worth. Will she get it? I don't know. But I'm glad that she's making a stand because she has a point: the very fact that this has become a fucking huge controversy proves that she has a point. The very fact that Black Panther is doing the insane numbers that is doing proves that she has a point. Hopefully, she will get a better deal eventually out of this. I see no reason for the vitriol against her other than conscious or even unconscious racism. If Schumer, this Chapelle guy and Chris Rock can get better deals, she is in her right to make noise to get her worth, and I'm glad she's speaking up.
I find the attempt to silence her or ridicule her preposterous. The "black dollar" is a force to reckon with, and everything about the current climate proves her point.
In the interview that I just quoted below for The View she says that Netflix proposal was take it or leave it, they didn't want to discuss with her a better deal. It seems to me that there's an attempt to pain her as the "mad black woman" that doesn't know her place stereotype and I'm more than glad that she's sticking up for that.
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Seems that it serves as a boost for white men.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...y-awards-box-office-money-worth-a6897246.html
Wait, what? That's a strange way to negotiate
Then it's also other peoples right to call her delusional
I mean, she can think that but Netflix is the only place offering her anything. She has a horrible reputation, it's kind of a miracle Netflix offered her anything at all.
I think the questions she was asked were very reasonable and all I saw her say was "We're both black, I'm disappointed you're not completely defending me, and you're a race traitor" over and over again.
I believe some of the blackballing, but to say no one else spoke up because they will lose their jobs and compare it to the Weinstein situation is crazy to me. Somehow this women is at every possible questionable racial encounter ready to defend all of black kind, yet the director himself said years ago it was actually just creative differences. The same article google brings up mentions her husband asking for too much salary, yet she didn't know numbers. There was always a disconnect between them for some reason
One thing I don't know why more people aren't bringing up that she's claiming that Richard Pryor himself said that she's the female version of him. My google-fu brings up nothing other than her claims which seem to stem her losing the part of his biopic as his grandmother, which I guessed even being offered that warped her sense of entitlement heavily.
I believe some of the blackballing, but to say no one else spoke up because they will lose their jobs and compare it to the Weinstein situation is crazy to me. Somehow this women is at every possible questionable racial encounter ready to defend all of black kind, yet the director himself said years ago it was actually just creative differences. The same article google brings up mentions her husband asking for too much salary, yet she didn't know numbers. There was always a disconnect between them for some reason
One thing I don't know why more people aren't bringing up that she's claiming that Richard Pryor himself said that she's the female version of him. My google-fu brings up nothing other than her claims which seem to stem her losing the part of his biopic as his grandmother, which I guessed even being offered that warped her sense of entitlement heavily.
Because Netflix didn't want to offer a better deal. Why aren't people actually trying to listen to what this woman is saying before trying to silence her or ridicule her?
What she did to deserve this "horrible reputation"?
Black Panther has nothing to do with Mo'Nique getting a Netflix deal.
People are mad because she's crying sexism/racism just because her ego does not match reality. It doesn't help that on it's face it's a pretty dumb argument. She proclaims 'sexism! racism!' -- and then compares her offer against reported deals Netflix made with Dave Chappelle and Amy Schumer. It doesn't even make logical sense, unless you believe Netflix is not biased against black male comedians, or white female comedians, just black female comedians.
Actually, it has everything to do with Mo'nique standing up for getting a better deal and treatment. Not sure why people are mad at this. The current entertainment climate clearly shows that there is interest for media that empowers POC, either in a blockbuster superhero film or a Netflix comedy special. You might not agree with Mo'nique's plea to boycott Netflix. You might don't care. But why to ridicule her for demanding better treatment?
So people are mad that a black woman is standing up for better payment and when she brings some pretty good damn points like in the interview I just quoted that sums up her case in 8 minutes because "her ego does not match reality"? If you aren't a fan of her, you can ignore her instead of ridiculing her. I just find the idea of attacking a black woman demanding better payment incredibly yes, racist and sexist. So she does have a point. You might not agree with her, but getting "mad" at her is definitely a bad look.
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That's probably true (the male/female pay gap especially) but when looking at an actor's career holistically, the mileage they get out of an Oscar is generally fairly limited and mostly short term. Plenty of Oscar winners flame out very quickly and my point remains that winning an Oscar doesn't mean all that much and certainly isn't going to make a B-tier celebrity like Monique worthy of an A-list salary.
Responding to the things she's making public doesn't make someone racist or sexist. The only one who said anything racist in that interview on the breakfast club was her. That was a pretty vile thing to say at the end of the interview.
Nope. She can reject any deals she likes, and make any counter-offers she likes. When she jumps immediately to 'racism' and 'sexism' with a BS argument in an attempt to publicly shame a company she thinks lowballed her, that's not just 'standing up for herself'.
It does not help her case that her points of comparison she mentioned are nowhere in the same league as her. Comparing her current standup 'star power' to that of Amy Schumer or Dave Chappelle? It's ridiculous on the face of it.
Oh, the interview itself that I'm listening now I agree. I'm talking about the whole vitriol thrown at this woman for demanding better payment. It doesn't make sense to me.
Like I've said above, what I'm seeing here is people attacking a black woman for demanding better payment. I might not agree with her pointing out that is sexism/racism from other POC not to stand with her. But that doesn't mean that there isn't sexism and racism happening towards her in this particular issue either. If anything, the amount of vitriol against her proves that she does have a point. So she is wrong about calling out other POC that don't stand with her and claims that's sexism and racism. So what? Why to get mad at a woman demanding better payment for what she thinks she's worth?
Watching that The View interview with Whoppi I find it very hard not stand with Mo'nique here. And I don't care about these other comedians because other than Amy Schumer and Chris Rock, I never even heard of Chappelle other than people mentioning him on threads, never watched anything with him that I could recognize. She thinks she's worth more and makes a poignant case for it in that The View interview.
EDIT: Another great take on this:
https://www.theroot.com/fear-of-an-angry-black-woman-why-mo-nique-was-right-1822311621
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Nigga Imma say this to you rn, you goin a bit too deep in because for the most part the issues people have with Mo ain't bc she's black and a woman it's bc she ain't been relevant in 10 years and 13 for comedy purposes
"I think Netflix's offer was too low, so I rejected it" -- OK
"I think Netflix specifically is sexist and racist! They paid a white female comedian and a black male comedian way more than they offered me! See, sexism and racism!" -- A plainly poor argument, and crosses the line from 'demanding better payment' to crying wolf.
Here's the thing, not everyone is attacking 'her' they're simply countering the argument she is making. The one she made public and requested us to boycott for. People responded accordingly.
It doesn't really seem like you know much of the context behind the situation. You simply see a black woman on the losing end of an argument and start calling it racist and sexist without any further context to the situation.
The anger people have directed at her isn't about Monique wanting more money, it's about throwing a public tantrum, accusing Netflix and its management of racism and sexism without a shred of evidence, and then having the arrogance to suggest fans and others should boycott the company because of her own delusions of grandeur.
She has every right to negotiate for more money and she has every right to walk away from a deal that she feels is beneath her but her behavior and turning this into a public spectacle with baseless accusations is fucking disgusting and makes her look bad regardless of how you spin it.
And the success of Black Panther has nothing – absolutely nothing – to do with her 'struggles'. That film is a fantastic achievement by a director of color with a predominately black cast and I'm proud and excited for its success but that success is largely predicated on the work and talent of people who have paid their dues, worked diligently and diplomatically within the admittedly labyrinthine film industry to succeed, and are now reaping their justly-earned rewards and accolades.
By contrast, Monique comes off as entitled and seems to believe she deserves more for past achievements, most of which are ancient history by entertainment industry standards.
She's not a victim here and nothing she's done warrants the type of sympathy and excuses you are peddling. There are plenty of talented people out there who would kill for a Netflix special and a half-million-dollar payday.
Because as a black man, I feel that Mo'nique is looking out for Mo'nique and trying to use color/sex to rally people to her cause. You don't get the unanimous support of the community just because we share the same color.
No one is banging her door down with offers and she got an offer that represents that. If she feels the offer is beneath her, then she certainly is entitled to feel that way and try to negotiate a better deal. Not even sure why we're trying to connect Black Panther to this situation, but give me a break.
I do think it deserves connection and she has a point. Not sure why that opinion itself can't be respected.
It just worries me when I see a place that I consider one of the most progressive places to discuss things in the internet how hard we are going about painting this woman in the "angry black woman" stereotype. I'm just asking for people to consider this a counter point to that, i mean, there's an excellent take on this whole story that I just posted that I'd highly recommend it and would gladly open a thread for it if you think it's okay:
https://www.theroot.com/fear-of-an-angry-black-woman-why-mo-nique-was-right-1822311621
You can feel that way all you like, but I explained why I and possibly others don't and it doesn't seem like you're respecting that opinion at all. All the while expecting a different response to your own.
There are multiple things that are possibly/likely true
Netflix lowballed Monique
Netflix in general lowballs black talent
Monique blew up this bridge with like 85 blocks of C4
It's fine to be passionate about things, but when you toss off people trying to discuss it with you, it really limits everyone's options.