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Canada PoliERA |OT| Two Years of Sunny Days? That’s Scheer Madness!
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Polls give me a headsche.
Seriously though, is it too late to tell Trudeau to start getting serious?
Seriously though, is it too late to tell Trudeau to start getting serious?
We are Plateau family!
Giddy Up!
I'm in
So how embarassing IS the Trudeau-India thing right now? Would it be enough for Scheer to take him down? I'm honestly worried about this lol
Nigel Wright writing a $90k cheque for Mike Duffy wasn't enough to "bring Harper down" (though it probably was a big factor in the election). Trudeau's almost completely safe until the next election.
With Scheer a replacement-level leader and it being doubtful the NDP will get the kind of momentum to win odds are there will be a Liberal government after the next election. (no Corbyn pun intended, Singh looks to be a more competent leader than Corbyn)
Atwal being invited to dinner, and getting through whatever vetting is in place for foreign dinner engagements, is a pretty stunning bit of incompetence. The government spin that it was the doing of people in the Indian government doesn't seem credible to me - even if they deliberately let him into the country while Trudeau's on the trip the Liberal MP who put him forward for an invitation would have to be in on it.
The trip outside of Atwal seems kind of aimless beyond photo ops to help the Liberals in their re-election campaign but that's basically what photo ops are anywhere.
At Issue on the India trip was pretty good last night:
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Your avatar says it all.
I feel like there's an effin bird pic for everything.
Trust me, it's going to be a lot easier to just come to terms with the fact that Ontario is beyond saving this cycle. OLP is too unpopular, OPC is flirting with all the worst ideologies and the ONDP train's broke down and still hasn't left 1990s Bob Rae Station. Now strap in because Doug Ford has hijacked this crazy train.
I can picture it now: Doug Ford wins the nom and the election, runs the province into the ground and resigns because of some huge scandal within two years, next leader calls a snap election and ushers in another 20+ years of OLP rule.
A huge number. They're what propelled him to such an enormous victory last time around. I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll post it again now: Patrick Brown's friendship with Modi could reap rewards at the ballot box
Canada's Southeast Asian communities are a political force, and anyone who can tap into them has a big advantage. They helped Brown win, they helped Singh win the NDP leadership, and they're why I'm willing to bet that Trudeau doesn't mind some of the bad headlines he's currently getting in the mainstream media, because he's probably more than making up for it in ethnic media outlets. I'd be shocked if any of Brown's opponents have the same level of organization amongst those voters -- Ford might have a vague idea of the power of racialized voters thanks to his brother (who, as I understand it, was surprisingly popular in Toronto's Somali community), but even he probably doesn't have the same kind of machine backing him. Whether there are still as many members now as there were when Brown first won is the big question -- if there are, he probably wins easily.
Foreign policy is insanely far down on the list of voter concerns, so it won't have any discernible impact. The only people who are angry about it are the ones who weren't voting Liberal anyway, while on the flipside, he's strengthening Liberal support in the GTA and the Greater Vancouver Area, where they may be feeling a little more vulnerable because of Singh and the NDP.
You're probably treating the south asians as a monolithic block even though your comments already suggest they don't vote as such.
The Indian PM snubbed Trudeau precisely because of the number of alleged Sikh separatists in his cabinet and concerns over how strong his support is to a united India. The question on voter intention will come down to demographics of south Asians in a particular riding.
So Modi's support helping Brown would be important is the south asians identify in a particular way as opposed to identifying as Sikh, which may be more friendly to Trudeau's messaging, if your theory is correct.
i've noticed a number of successful Indian-American personalities being Trump supporters and get appointed by the Trump administration like Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador, the FCC Chair (Ajit Pai) and his Deputy Press Secretary (Raj Shah).
there is some brand of Conservatism that appeals to them (not all of them), but Modi has brewed a brand of Nationalism and Populism from the Right that is shared among many Indian-Canadians and Indian-Americans.
case point: Donald Trump
there is some brand of Conservatism that appeals to them (not all of them), but Modi has brewed a brand of Nationalism and Populism from the Right that is shared among many Indian-Canadians and Indian-Americans.
case point: Donald Trump
There have been a number of fascinating articles (example, and another one) about how Trump is bizarrely huge amongst certain Indian voters.
Absolutely -- to be clear, there's no single South Asian voting bloc in Canada. In fact, there are even competing blocs within each party. But generally, it's always good to remember that it's a very politically engaged community (or group of communities) who mobilize extremely well.
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at the conclusion, the Indian trip will have cost Trudeau more votes than gains.
a) Non-Sikh Indian-Canadians will not forgive that dinner guest with dubious ties. those votes are lost and are now Conservative votes.
b) Okay, he wanted to compete with Jagmeet Singh with Sikh votes. But was it all worth it to piss off non-Sikh Indian-Canadian votes for?
For white people, it's another waste of tax payer dollars.
I see this from a Centrist lens. And I agree with the entire CBC At Issue Panel on this one.
a) Non-Sikh Indian-Canadians will not forgive that dinner guest with dubious ties. those votes are lost and are now Conservative votes.
b) Okay, he wanted to compete with Jagmeet Singh with Sikh votes. But was it all worth it to piss off non-Sikh Indian-Canadian votes for?
For white people, it's another waste of tax payer dollars.
I see this from a Centrist lens. And I agree with the entire CBC At Issue Panel on this one.
You use the term "Southeast Asian" (Vietnamese, Thai, Laotian, Cambodian, Burmese, etc.) when from the rest of your text it sounds like you are actually referring to South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, etc.)
Thanks for the correction -- you're right. Fixed!
And gutter_trash , I imagine that Trudeau will get a little more leeway than Singh. Isn't Singh banned from India for his support of the Khalistan independence movement?
If I cannot forgive the PQ for a speech made by Parizeau 23 years ago, I doubt that Trudeau will be forgiven among the Indian community for that dinner guest misstep.
Do not understatement this boobo. It is a longterm booboo among that voter base.
Conservatives are the benefactors from this bungled India trip. And it's Trudeau's hubris of trying too hard to pander to multiple groups at the same time.
Do not understatement this boobo. It is a longterm booboo among that voter base.
Conservatives are the benefactors from this bungled India trip. And it's Trudeau's hubris of trying too hard to pander to multiple groups at the same time.
It's interesting, because my parent's generation, people who came here in the 80s, are fairly disengaged. Like they vote and they follow the news, but they aren't party members and all that. I guess that's slowly changed with more recent immigrants to the country with better outreach programs.
Jen Gerson/Maclean's got their hands on a recording of the first Patrick Brown conference call after before CTV broke the story. I'm sure you'll find it amusing
The phone call that ended Patrick Brown's leadership
The phone call that ended Patrick Brown's leadership
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Is Trudeau actually strengthening Liberal support with South Asians in the GTA and Metro Vancouver from this trip? If Indians are laughing at Trudeau for his non-stop Mr. Dressup act, then I would think there would be a pretty good chance that Canadians of South Asian descent are also laughing and perhaps even feeling a bit embarrassed by him. It's pretty obvious that this trip is a big photo op to try to prop up his cred before a 2019 election against Singh. This is something I'd expect South Asian Canadian communities to see right through as well and not necessarily be impressed by.
Singh is banned from India due to saying that riots that resulted in the deaths of many Sikhs was state sponsored violence.
I heard an interesting CBC radio interview with Ujjal Dosanjh the other day, where he talked about how he felt that all Canadian political parties are guilty of playing footsie with Sikh separatists to win votes in certain ridings.
I mean the fact that it happened so quickly I wonder if it was just pure salt that he wants to come back and burn it all to the ground.
The people leaking this shit certainly aren't helping the party either, so, yeah. lol
Oh FFS people of Ontario - don't massively fuck up by exposing yet more people to Ford family shit. Please. Come on.
Guy's brother was a disaster for the city? Oh, I know, let's put him in the running for leader of the province!
We already have a wonderful example of what promoting such idiots to high office does just by looking directly south of us. People better not be this dumb.
Guy's brother was a disaster for the city? Oh, I know, let's put him in the running for leader of the province!
We already have a wonderful example of what promoting such idiots to high office does just by looking directly south of us. People better not be this dumb.
If he wins the leadership the people are doubly dumb because they paid the party to do so.
Lets throw some more spice into the mix!
White nationalist endorses Tanya Granic Allen's Tory leadership campaign
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...a-granic-allens-tory-leadership-campaign.html
The gravy train ends here. All aboard the crazy train!
White nationalist endorses Tanya Granic Allen's Tory leadership campaign
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...a-granic-allens-tory-leadership-campaign.html
The gravy train ends here. All aboard the crazy train!
Look, those of us not in the OPC have any say in it, he won't be anywhere near the Premiership
It looks like Tanya finally offered a response, in Trump style.
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In something i want to put to bed. Two different articles that puts PM's India trip into perspective and hopefully puts it to bed.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-trudeau-trip-wrap-up-1.4550703
And this one with the Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...y-a8223641.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Even Alex Penetta admitted that he didn't know of certain items in the first article based on the weekly pile on.
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In something i want to put to bed. Two different articles that puts PM's India trip into perspective and hopefully puts it to bed.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-trudeau-trip-wrap-up-1.4550703
And this one with the Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...y-a8223641.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true
Even Alex Penetta admitted that he didn't know of certain items in the first article based on the weekly pile on.
Just like the US, this kind of political circus is symptomatic of an increasingly dysfunctional society. As people get more and more unsatisfied with their current life they slowly turn to blaming the society as a whole for it and electing a populist that is "politically incorrect" thinking that finally one people like them has been enlightened by the truth.
Brown might be dropping out of the Ontario PC leadership race now.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...e-hes-gearing-up-for-an-exit/article38110601/
His spokesperson also said this.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...e-hes-gearing-up-for-an-exit/article38110601/
His spokesperson also said this.
I wonder why he'd drop out.
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...in-nomination-now-being-probed-by-police.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...in-nomination-now-being-probed-by-police.html
I think the amount of stress he is under currently may force him to drop out soon. Some of the people close to him are being threatened right now by angry people.
Who is threatening him?
Integrity commissioner investigating him
http://www.oico.on.ca/info/news---full-article/2018/02/26/integrity-commissioner-commences-inquiry
Integrity commissioner investigating him
http://www.oico.on.ca/info/news---full-article/2018/02/26/integrity-commissioner-commences-inquiry
It's everyone connected to him being threatened supposedly like his friends and family. It's likely that all of the awful things brown did in the past plus his decision to fight for the leadership of the PC's again is causing some people that hate him to go after his famiy and friends.It does not help that he is getting a lot of media coverage right now. Brown and his family members do not deserve to be threatened for brown's poor behaviour.
No one knows, but it could be conservatives that hate him a lot or liberals.
Brown is out of the race later today.
http://torontosun.com/news/provinci...atrick-brown-withdrawing-from-leadership-race
http://torontosun.com/news/provinci...atrick-brown-withdrawing-from-leadership-race
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