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Which game do you find holds the most replayability?

  • Demon's Souls

    Votes: 36 11.6%
  • Dark Souls

    Votes: 105 33.8%
  • Dark Souls II

    Votes: 44 14.1%
  • Dark Souls III

    Votes: 93 29.9%
  • Bloodborne

    Votes: 95 30.5%
  • Sekiro

    Votes: 17 5.5%

  • Total voters
    311

Red Liquorice

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,079
UK
How do you do a flying leap in dark souls 3 on PS4? I am trying to pick up the crow quills weapon. Every time I try to do a flying leap off of the ledge I instead do a roll and can't reach the ledge.
Run and jump - whatever button you have jump set as (either L3 or press run/circle whilst running).

edit - sorry had the page open for ages and just replied!

I'm OG circle personally, I'm glad they kept both configs in the series.
 

Morrigan

Spear of the Metal Church
Member
Oct 24, 2017
34,371
Not seen any buzz here for this year's Return to Drangleic. Nobody here taking part?

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Just firing the game up now since I never got my platinum on PS4. Anyone have any recommendations for a good sl150 hex build?
I would, but I'm being swallowed by Monster Hunter right now I'm afraid...
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
Not seen any buzz here for this year's Return to Drangleic. Nobody here taking part?

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Just firing the game up now since I never got my platinum on PS4. Anyone have any recommendations for a good sl150 hex build?

I tried playing DS2 some months back but I just couldn't do it. I've been playing every other Souls game for so long, that coming back to DS2 is struggling. It's just so ugly, in both art direction and its animations.
 

senorgrande

Member
Oct 25, 2017
88
Gehrman got wrecked by my Reiterpallasch build. The R1, R1, L1 combo is godlike.


I think I want to try and beast or cauliflower run next. I don't really want to have to grind up a 99 arcane character though so I might just give beast a go on a character I already have 50STR and 25SKL with.
 

DekuBleep

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,712
Gehrman got wrecked by my Reiterpallasch build. The R1, R1, L1 combo is godlike.


I think I want to try and beast or cauliflower run next. I don't really want to have to grind up a 99 arcane character though so I might just give beast a go on a character I already have 50STR and 25SKL with.


Once you pick up the Executioner's Gloves, then there is no more "grinding" with an arcane character. The rest of the game literally becomes trivial for bosses who are susceptible to Executioner's Gloves or a little bit later A Call Beyond. You can march through the chalice dungeons even the FRC depth 5 with impunity and easily and you'll get to 99 arcane in no time.

The arcane character was my most fun bloodborne play through.


I followed this guide pretty closely (especially the path he takes in the videos including the shortcuts to get different items as soon as possible): https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/3xvg11/guide_the_arcanist_20_arcaneing_with_the_old/
 

senorgrande

Member
Oct 25, 2017
88
Once you pick up the Executioner's Gloves, then there is no more "grinding" with an arcane character. The rest of the game literally becomes trivial for bosses who are susceptible to Executioner's Gloves or a little bit later A Call Beyond. You can march through the chalice dungeons even the FRC depth 5 with impunity and easily and you'll get to 99 arcane in no time.

The arcane character was my most fun bloodborne play through.


I followed this guide pretty closely (especially the path he takes in the videos including the shortcuts to get different items as soon as possible): https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/3xvg11/guide_the_arcanist_20_arcaneing_with_the_old/

I'll bookmark that. Thanks.
 

Sub Boss

Banned
Nov 14, 2017
13,441
A question how are you supposed to kill the dragons on the bridge? I tried passing them but it doesn't work
DS3 is still a piece of complete shit. I don't know what possessed Miyazaki to turn his slow-paced thoughtful series into an aggressive aggrofest but it sucks so damn bad.

They made the game WAY too dependent on rolling and made every enemy attack three times as much and three times as fast

Enemies do a billion damage and even high-DEF armor is useless because ROLL DAMMIT

and WHERE IS MY GODDAMN POISE how am I supposed to kill shit if I keep getting stunlocked

This game might be one of the most disappointing purchases I've ever made.
DSIII is the best Souls game, come back to it after Wall of Lothric the difficulty becomes balanced (it starts a bit tough) and fun.
I couldn't stand DS1 and II but 3 is awesome, also the shields are very useful. They aren't just win tickets but you need a healthy balance of rolling and defense to win.
though i agree a few enemies are bullshit with their fast, powerful attacks, they are unbalanced compared to your super slow paper thin ashed soldier, but that comes with the territory.
 
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xenocide

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,307
Vermont
DSIII is the best Souls game, come back to it after Wall of Lothric the difficulty becomes balanced (it starts a bit tough) and fun.
I couldn't stand DS1 and II but 3 is awesome, also the shields are very useful. They aren't just win tickets but you need a healthy balance of rolling and defense to win.
though i agree a few enemies are bullshit with their fast, powerful attacks, they are unbalanced compared to your super slow paper thin ashed soldier, but that comes with the territory.

None of the enemies I encountered in DS3 were bullshit. If you want to see some bullshit enemies, check out Bloodborne and Nioh. They have their fair share of nonsense enemies. In Dark Souls 3, everything seems stupid until you know what you're doing, and then they all have their weaknesses. In my first playthrough I got wrecked by Lothric Knights, Borreal Outriders, Winged Knights, Irithyll Jailors, and several other enemies, but it was mostly just an inability to properly read and react to their movements. Dark Souls 3 is hard, definitely harder than DS2 (even SOTFS with its shenanigans), but it's not unbeatable or even unfair. There are segments that are incredibly frustrating, but a lot of them you only have to go through once anyway.

So you cant kill them right now? i already explored the Kings garden

You kill them, but not until you find alternative means to get in the buildings they are on.
 

DukeBobby

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,930
Smouldering Lake seems to get worse during each playthrough. Such an ugly, poorly designed area with annoying enemies (fuck those fireball spamming pyromancers) and a mediocre boss.

Thank God it's optional.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
Smouldering Lake seems to get worse during each playthrough. Such an ugly, poorly designed area with annoying enemies (fuck those fireball spamming pyromancers) and a mediocre boss.

Thank God it's optional.

Yep. I don't bother with it now. Just a bunch of reused environments from the catacombs and terribly annoying enemies and environments. At least the Demon Ruins part of it anyway. I still go through the Smoldering Lake to kill the Old Demon King.
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
Played some DS1 today, further cementing my opinion of how much better of a game it is than DS3. Like, sheesh. Enemies that make sense, poise and heavy armor being worth a damn, and STR weapons actually being useful.

I went through New Londo, got the large ember, got my Zweihander to +15 instantly and then just murdered the Four Kings in cold blood. Ridiculous damage + Poise = gg for the Four Kings, lol. Literally just stand in their face and mash R1 and they just die so easily. Shit wasn't even a challenge.

Probably gonna go Lost Izalith next.

Not many series can say they peaked in their first installment.
 
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Squid Lord

Member
Nov 28, 2017
310
Just wanted to give a new update to my DS3 progress. I have all four Lord of Cinder now to fight the final boss, but I wanted to play the rest of the optional parts first. So...The Nameless King...I guess I don't really need to beat the game. I've got this far and I figure that's good enough. Because FUCK THE NAMELESS KING. :(
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
And that is exactly why poise sucks and I'm glad it got nerfed into uselessness in DS3. :nods:
I disagree that making armor useless and STR weapons absolute garbage was a good way to "fix" Poise

What incentive is there to wear heavy armor if it just makes you run slow and makes your roll trash
 

Premium Ghoul

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,359
Australia
I disagree that making armor useless and STR weapons absolute garbage was a good way to "fix" Poise

What incentive is there to wear heavy armor if it just makes you run slow and makes your roll trash
They aren't garbage, they just have hyper armour (poise) during the start of your swing. It certainly makes them harder to use but they're still extremely powerful.

Heavy armour gives you more damage absorption than lighter armour, meaning you can take more hits before you die. Since armour can't be upgraded this makes heavier armour very useful at lower levels due to the static level of damage absorption.
 
Oct 25, 2017
679
Outside Perth Scotland
Somehow I managed to get to Castle Cainhurst at lvl 17. Having to fight every vampire one on one takes ages but isn't too bad. Summoning help is almost impossible. I got 2 players in an hour and both of them died pretty quickly. I can't cheese the boss with shooting because my BT is around 6, and I'm not doing much damage to him with my cane even though it's +6. I have a shitload of souls but I can't get them because they're in his area. Vexed.
 

senorgrande

Member
Oct 25, 2017
88
Somehow I managed to get to Castle Cainhurst at lvl 17. Having to fight every vampire one on one takes ages but isn't too bad. Summoning help is almost impossible. I got 2 players in an hour and both of them died pretty quickly. I can't cheese the boss with shooting because my BT is around 6, and I'm not doing much damage to him with my cane even though it's +6. I have a shitload of souls but I can't get them because they're in his area. Vexed.

Sprint to your echoes, grab them then hide behind something on the roof and use a bold hunters mark to get out. You could even grab your echoes then allow yourself to die right at the boss entrance so you can pick them up and get off an easy bold hunters mark next time.
 

DekuBleep

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,712
If I am gonna create a new character then in DS3 then what is the best SL and weapon level to stop at if I want to do general PvE helping through most of the game?

Also when it shows me locations where host of embers are present are those only people that I can match with based on my SL and weapon level or is it any host of embers?
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
If I am gonna create a new character then in DS3 then what is the best SL and weapon level to stop at if I want to do general PvE helping through most of the game?

Also when it shows me locations where host of embers are present are those only people that I can match with based on my SL and weapon level or is it any host of embers?

SL120 is the considered "meta" level so that's a good time to stop.

The embers multiplayer icons are related to the SL of your character.
 

Ferrs

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
18,829
But for PvE summoning help in the main game then SL120 is way too high right? 120 is like NG+ right?

The most action is at the end of the game and DLC. A lot of people playing through PvE are actually vets doing new builds and stuff and they don't summon much for the first half (exception being early Dancer because of the skip).

Still, if you only care for PvE maybe it would be a good idea to stop at 100. You can both connect to the 120 meta to as low as 80 with people progressing to late game.

I doubt a, say, SL50 would have much action nowadays, it certainly didn't half a year ago...
 

senorgrande

Member
Oct 25, 2017
88
What's an interesting build to try in DSIII? I might pickup the humble monthly bundle for it. I played it on the PS4 originally. It didn't really click with me until I picked up the Drang Hammers. I had a lot of fun with those but not much else. I would give a hybrid build a go possibly but I'm not interested in a pure spellcaster at all.
 

DekuBleep

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,712
The most action is at the end of the game and DLC. A lot of people playing through PvE are actually vets doing new builds and stuff and they don't summon much for the first half (exception being early Dancer because of the skip).

Still, if you only care for PvE maybe it would be a good idea to stop at 100. You can both connect to the 120 meta to as low as 80 with people progressing to late game.

I doubt a, say, SL50 would have much action nowadays, it certainly didn't half a year ago...


I wish DS3 had a summon me "somewhere to help someone" option like B.B. chalice dungeons or like Nioh. I wish it also had the ability to be summoned into lower level content with downscaling instead of level restrictions. It would be so much easier to help people out which adds replay ability. I can boot up Nioh and get instant co-op over and over even with a dwindling player population.
 
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III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
18,827
I wish DS3 had a summon me "somewhere to help someone" option like B.B. chalice dungeons or like Nioh. I wish it also had the ability to be summoned into lower level content with downscaling instead of level restrictions. It would be so much easier to help people out which adds replay ability. I can boot up Nioh and get instant co-op over and over even with a dwindling player population.
Agreed.
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
So I'm playing Dark Souls 2 right now in lieu of replaying Demon's Souls after a week. Rolled Sorcerer (my fave class) and it's generally smoother than my last attempt.

But does the game's combat ever start feeling good?

Disregarding terrible bullshit like the slow Estus Flask or the degenerating health, the combat just feels slow and clunky, and my dodge rolls are practically useless. The only thing I like is that the art design is really pretty and creative.

Basically I'm wondering if I should pack it in and play one of the three Soulsborne games I actually like.
 
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III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
18,827
So I'm playing Dark Souls 2 right now in lieu of replaying Demon's Souls after a week. Rolled Sorcerer (my fave class) and it's generally smoother than my last attempt.

But does the game's combat ever start feeling good?

Disregarding terrible bullshit like the slow Estus Flask or the degenerating health, the combat just feels slow and clunky, and my dodge rolls are practically useless. The only thing I like is that the art design is really pretty and creative.

Basically I'm wondering if I should pack it in and play one of the three Soulsborne games I actually like.
Sorc build (I always prefer warrior sorc) is one of the best in DS2. Look up a stat guide to get your moveset feeling right and then enjoy the ride. Some of the best gameplay in the series is in that game.
 

Weiss

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Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
Sorc build (I always prefer warrior sorc) is one of the best in DS2. Look up a stat guide to get your moveset feeling right and then enjoy the ride. Some of the best gameplay in the series is in that game.

I had to pump my first 12 levels into STR and DEX to manage basic enemies and the Pursuer is currently kicking my ass because the very scenic and beautiful arena is really thin.
 
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III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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I had to pump my first 12 levels into STR and DEX to manage basic enemies and the Pursuer is currently kicking my ass because the very scenic and beautiful arena is really thin.
Pursuer is a completely optional boss. Other stats need to get bumped to minimal levels until most people feel comfortable with the movesets.
 

Vadara

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,565
People weren't kidding when they said the Bed of Chaos is a fucking terrible boss fight

Also man the Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith were just a whole bunch of Nothing(TM).

However, I did laugh when I actually got to the latter. I thought people were joking a little when they called them dragon asses, but no...they are literally dragon asses.
 

Red Liquorice

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,079
UK
So I'm playing Dark Souls 2 right now in lieu of replaying Demon's Souls after a week. Rolled Sorcerer (my fave class) and it's generally smoother than my last attempt.

But does the game's combat ever start feeling good?

Disregarding terrible bullshit like the slow Estus Flask or the degenerating health, the combat just feels slow and clunky, and my dodge rolls are practically useless. The only thing I like is that the art design is really pretty and creative.

Basically I'm wondering if I should pack it in and play one of the three Soulsborne games I actually like.
That's just the engine - it's clunky and muddy. The game still has a lot of great things going for it, the DLC is a marked improvement in terms of level design - but the combat isn't going to get any better, that's the engine itself.

You can put points into ADP to increase the amount of iframes your rolls have, and iirc wearing less armour increases the distance of your roll. But I find even with high ADP and then the supposed same iframes as DS1, the animation is different and less of a visual thing than the other games, at least for me.
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
The Heide Knights are fucking bullshit.

Yeah I think I'm bailing. I love the art design but that's about it. Otherwise the game has awful mechanics, dull combat, enemies who refuse to get stunned like the Heide Knights, and it's loaded with ambushes in lieu of actual enemy placement.
 
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CM_Ace

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,373
San Francisco
Aaaand DeS servers are shut down :( Jumped on to witness the end and got summoned to a world where another phantom, host, invader, and I were all waving goodbye to each other.
 

Weiss

User requested ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
64,265
Aaaand DeS servers are shut down :( Jumped on to witness the end and got summoned to a world where another phantom, host, invader, and I were all waving goodbye to each other.

Aww.

I wish my last online experience was worthwhile. I summoned a dude who got me killed and my Old Monk fight was with a troll.
 

xenocide

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Oct 25, 2017
5,307
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I had to pump my first 12 levels into STR and DEX to manage basic enemies and the Pursuer is currently kicking my ass because the very scenic and beautiful arena is really thin.

You want Agility higher to fight Pursuer. If you can't dodge he will just wreck you, and without a solid investment in Agility, it's really hard to get out of the way in time.