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Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
13,384
You figure we would have even more games by now if it was this easy??

They're doing full QA testing for each title, because they're being treated with the quality standards you have in a normal product. That's likely 95% of the time put into each title.



Oh shoot, that's excellent. Nice find! For context if others don't know who it is, this is re: the Quantum Break patch.
 

Edge

A King's Landing
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,012
Celle, Germany
Cool to know, I hope that makes it possible for a lot of BC games to go enhanced:

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And why are we only getting like 3 new BC games in 3 months then? :(
 

New Fang

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,542
Praise be!



*In regards to Quantum Break.

This is awesome news. I was never going to bother playing the game with this patch as I didn't want to deal with the problems it introduced. Now I can.

side note complaint: I find it irritating when developers say things like "some of you are seeing", as if the problems aren't affecting everyone who plays the game with the patch. Just admit you fucked up the patch and say you're fixing it.
 

Ready2Rokk

Member
Oct 29, 2017
614
Man I didn't like QB that much but this is how you support your game and fans.

Unlike Insomniac. Pitiful.

Oh c'mon. That game was more than 3 years old when the Xbox One X was released. And the Quantum Break update only happened because of some random developer that did it on his nights and weekends. Not a Remedy effort.

Yes, we would all love a Sunset Overdrive 4K update. It would be amazing. But I can't fault Insomniac for not focusing effort on that. The game was long, long done.
 

Remo Williams

Self-requested ban
Banned
Jan 13, 2018
4,769
Has this been discussed anywhere? Resero did a video on the enhanced version of Forza Horizon, and apparently the performance mode runs the game locked at 30 FPS, just like the original (well, it actually goes a few frames above that), but the quality mode seems to have unlocked frame rate??? And it can apparently go up to 59 FPS? Dark1x, could you guys look into that? If that's really the case, well, it wouldn't be ideal, but Xbox 360 games running in 4K AND with significantly improved performance to boot - that sounds really crazy!

 

Gestault

Member
Oct 26, 2017
13,384
Has this been discussed anywhere? Resero did a video on the enhanced version of Forza Horizon, and apparently the performance mode runs the game locked at 30 FPS, just like the original (well, it actually goes a few frames above that), but the quality mode seems to have unlocked frame rate??? And it can apparently go up to 59 FPS? Dark1x, could you guys look into that? If that's really the case, well, it wouldn't be ideal, but Xbox 360 games running in 4K AND with significantly improved performance to boot - that sounds really crazy!



Uhh...I tried the performance mode (briefly) and didn't get the sense it was anything other than 30 fps. I'll check this out tonight, but I have my doubts. I played graphics mode for more than one extended sessions, and it certainly wasn't jumping like their reads are showing. I literally don't know what I'm looking at.
 

Psychotron

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Oct 26, 2017
5,683
Has this been discussed anywhere? Resero did a video on the enhanced version of Forza Horizon, and apparently the performance mode runs the game locked at 30 FPS, just like the original (well, it actually goes a few frames above that), but the quality mode seems to have unlocked frame rate??? And it can apparently go up to 59 FPS? Dark1x, could you guys look into that? If that's really the case, well, it wouldn't be ideal, but Xbox 360 games running in 4K AND with significantly improved performance to boot - that sounds really crazy!



They said the same thing about Witcher 2 and I just don't believe it. Both games feel like a locked 30, with Horizon being one of the smoothest 30fps titles I've ever played.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
13,384
They said the same thing about Witcher 2 and I just don't believe it. Both games feel like a locked 30, with Horizon being one of the smoothest 30fps titles I've ever played.

Specifically with Horizon, my understanding is that it would require new code to remove the v-sync/30 fps cap in the game. Considering performance mode specifically isn't running X enhancements in the emulator, I find it doubly unlikely that running the game that way could make the framerate go above that limit. Even their data showing the original game running at between 30-32 should be a red flag. This looks like bad data.
 

Deleted member 12317

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Oct 27, 2017
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Has this been discussed anywhere? Resero did a video on the enhanced version of Forza Horizon, and apparently the performance mode runs the game locked at 30 FPS, just like the original (well, it actually goes a few frames above that), but the quality mode seems to have unlocked frame rate??? And it can apparently go up to 59 FPS? Dark1x, could you guys look into that? If that's really the case, well, it wouldn't be ideal, but Xbox 360 games running in 4K AND with significantly improved performance to boot - that sounds really crazy!


Well, going frame by frame on their video it's a constant 30 FPS with duplicates when it says 40-50 FPS on their graph, I guess they just messed up their recordings (low compression ?) thus their tool detects different frames instead of duplicates...

In other words : fake news.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
13,384
Well, going frame by frame on their video it's a constant 30 FPS with duplicates when it says 40-50 FPS on their graph, I guess they just messed up their recordings (low compression ?) thus their tool detects different frames instead of duplicates...

Yeah, I ran a process on my end that measures frame times up to 30 fps (and I get odd readings if I source higher framerates), so I can tell in a binary sense if something's above the max, and I didn't see any signs of that. All their source windows seem to be showing flat 30 fps output.
 

Chumley

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
4,651
Skate 3 is 4k? Holy shit. Red Dead Redemption next please.
 

Dancrane212

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Oct 25, 2017
13,962
That's ... Amazing actually. And a pathetic display for Remedy and the support for their own game imo.

Pathetic? Quantum Break was funded as a Microsoft IP and when Remedy's contract was done they moved off it and the game was left to Microsoft like any other project. They don't have any obligation to go back to older software, especially one that they don't even have a stake in anymore, to update it for new hardware that released a while after the game launched. The whole reason we got a patch in the first place was because of one Remedy employee doing the work on his own time.

Come off it.
 

Klobrille

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,360
Germany
Pathetic? Quantum Break was funded as a Microsoft IP and when Remedy's contract was done they moved off it and the game was left to Microsoft like any other project. They don't have any obligation to go back to older software, especially one that they don't even have a stake in anymore, to update it for new hardware that released a while after the game launched. The whole reason we got a patch in the first place was because of one Remedy employee doing the work on his own time.

Come off it.
I know. Basically ... Remedy didn't care as soon as their "contract work" was done. That was my point.
 

Theorry

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Oct 27, 2017
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Reason Insomniac made the deal with MS was that MS agreed that Insomniac could keep the IP.
 

Dancrane212

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Oct 25, 2017
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I know. Basically ... Remedy didn't care as soon as their "contract work" was done. That was my point.

Devs going the extra mile is absolutely something to commend but it's not something they "owe" their audience. Calling folk "pathetic" for not spending resources on something they don't even own, nearly 2 years after the fact, is pretty weak.
 

Klobrille

Member
Oct 27, 2017
9,360
Germany
Devs going the extra mile is absolutely something to commend but it's not something they "owe" their audience. Calling folk "pathetic" for not spending resources on something they don't even own, nearly 2 years after the fact, is pretty weak.
While I agree in parts with you, exactly these things separate a good from an awesome developer.
 

Ravenhawk

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Oct 27, 2017
320
Glad to hear about Quantum Break...but as my luck would have it, I just finished another playthrough last night.
 

Dark1x

Digital Foundry
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Oct 26, 2017
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Has this been discussed anywhere? Resero did a video on the enhanced version of Forza Horizon, and apparently the performance mode runs the game locked at 30 FPS, just like the original (well, it actually goes a few frames above that), but the quality mode seems to have unlocked frame rate??? And it can apparently go up to 59 FPS? Dark1x, could you guys look into that? If that's really the case, well, it wouldn't be ideal, but Xbox 360 games running in 4K AND with significantly improved performance to boot - that sounds really crazy!


I'm not familiar with these guys but...their frame-rate graph is completely incorrect. Not only is it showing tearing where there is none but the readout makes no sense. If you flip through frame by frame you can see that, when it's reading in the mid-40s, the game is still delivering one unique frame followed by a dupe frame with perfect consistency so that readout is not correct. It's 30fps.
 

Gestault

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Oct 26, 2017
13,384
I'm not familiar with these guys but...their frame-rate graph is completely incorrect. Not only is it showing tearing where there is none but the readout makes no sense. If you flip through frame by frame you can see that, when it's reading in the mid-40s, the game is still delivering one unique frame followed by a dupe frame with perfect consistency so that readout is not correct. It's 30fps.

Thanks for taking a look, I was seeing the same thing and felt like I was taking crazy pills.
 

Xumbrega

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Oct 25, 2017
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Brasil
At this point I'm just waiting RDR 2 to grab my X, but if Microsoft wants me to grab the X earlier, all they have to do is a patch in 4K for Red Dead Redemption...

You hear me, MS?
 

Remo Williams

Self-requested ban
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Jan 13, 2018
4,769
Thanks for the clarification, everyone!

Lost Odyssey would really be a wonderful surprise, although I'd also like to see some of the forgotten MS games, like Ninety-Nine Nights, and all three Kingdom Under Fire Xbox games.
 

Lat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,322
I very rarely complain about framerate but Fable Anniversary is just so jarring.
 

MCD

Honest Work
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Oct 27, 2017
14,830
I think first party games got a huge chance for 4k updates so LO isn't outta the question.
 

Kage Maru

Member
Oct 27, 2017
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Skate 3 is 4k? Holy shit. Red Dead Redemption next please.

Actually it should be 3456x1920, or something close to that. DJ Lushious can you update the OP?

Edit: stupid question but how do you tag someone so they are notified when they are mentioned? I've done it before but not sure how.

While I agree in parts with you, exactly these things separate a good from an awesome developer.

The problem is you're assuming every developer has a choice in what type of support they can give to a game. Remedy isn't a huge studio, and they are likely already all hands on deck with their next title. So expecting them to just change things around for an update is unrealistic and unfair to them. They still need to honor the current contract they are under no matter how badly they may want to work on QD or any other game.
 

VinFTW

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Oct 25, 2017
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The new Prey tease makes me want to play the game for the first time but I'm still holding out for an X patch.
 
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DJ Lushious

DJ Lushious

Enhanced Xperience
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Oct 27, 2017
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Actually it should be 3456x1920, or something close to that. DJ Lushious can you update the OP?

Edit: stupid question but how do you tag someone so they are notified when they are mentioned? I've done it before but not sure how.
The @ followed by the username.

Skate 3 was only 640p on the 360? Huh, I thought it was a 720p title. I'll correct it.