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Twig

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Dang, Chimera Ant arc is just as good in manga as it is in anime. Honestly surprised! The strong sense of pacing in the anime was the ultimate strength of the arc, and I had suspected that manga just naturally being faster to get through would make it the weaker version. Glad I was wrong! And even though I know what's happening and what's going to happen it still feels very tense.
 

Ultra

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Yeah, obviously biased but CA arguably has the highest peak in Shounen. The few flaws it does have are hilariously outbalanced by the positives.
 

ArgyleReptile

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Assuming Tserriednich is the true main villian of this arc, I wonder if he will have any conflict with Chrollo and the other spiders, or if they will just be exclusively focused on Hisoka. The idea of having so many powerful people confined to the ship is cool.

He has to run into at least one. Those doors to the other sections of the ship are going to open within the first week I bet.
 

Ultra

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Yeah, the Troupe will definitely meet up with Kurapika at some point, whether that's just one or all of them is to be seen. It feels like to me that this is Kurapika's big sendoff arc, he's getting a humongous about of material [even Gon didn't get this much in concentrated doses] and I got the feeling that Hisoka is but the catalyst to get the Troupe involved in the final chapters of Kurapika's story. This way he's able to kill two birds with one stone, finally wrap up the Hisoka and Troupe stuff and then ultimately move on to Kurapika/Troupe stuff which was the whole point of getting the spiders on-board. Chrollo will survive though, I imagine he'll be Kurapika's EOS opponent.
 

NHarmonic.

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Yeah, obviously biased but CA arguably has the highest peak in Shounen. The few flaws it does have are hilariously outbalanced by the positives.

The pacing problems, unnecessary narrator, weak and mostly useless fights, some weird character choices...
I don't know, for me it's too much. I'd still say Water 7 (op) is the peak in shonen, followed closely by hxh's Yorknew arc.
 

smurfx

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Oct 25, 2017
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Cool chapter

Assuming Tserriednich is the true main villian of this arc, I wonder if he will have any conflict with Chrollo and the other spiders, or if they will just be exclusively focused on Hisoka. The idea of having so many powerful people confined to the ship is cool.
i think he might be a threat but who knows where togashi will go with this. we might be getting set up to think he will be the winner and then he gets taken out by a nen beast. i really want the spiders to try stealing from the kakin and then have some of them get taken out by the nen beasts.
 

tellNoel

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Oct 26, 2017
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omg, Biscuit's true form xDDD

EDIT: Holy shit, Gon's hand! :OOOOOO What is even happening right now
 
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Ultra

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The next two weeks will be painful. We usually get the Hiatus announcement for the ninth chapter and then he goes on to the tenth the following week. So 378 is the scary one this time around.

The pacing problems, unnecessary narrator, weak and mostly useless fights, some weird character choices...
I don't know, for me it's too much. I'd still say Water 7 (op) is the peak in shonen, followed closely by hxh's Yorknew arc.

Well, it's a good thing it's all subjective. I don't even consider those the flaws of the CA arc. Water 7 is good but not on that level IMO. I haven't really been digging OP since the timeskip
 
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Lotus

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I'd still say Water 7 (op) is the peak in shonen

Smart man. I guess Chimera Ant arc is my #2. Outside of that, I don't have a firm top 5 or anything. Wait no, Dark Tournament arc is #3. After that, the placements are all settled on a whim.

The next two weeks will be painful. We usually get the Hiatus announcement for the ninth chapter and then he goes on to the tenth the following week. So 378 is the scary one this time around.

Hold me...
 
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Euphony

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Oct 25, 2017
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The next two weeks will be painful. We usually get the Hiatus announcement for the ninth chapter and then he goes on to the tenth the following week. So 378 is the scary one this time around.



Well, it's a good thing it's all subjective. I don't even consider those the flaws of the CA arc. Water 7 is good but not on that level IMO. I haven't really been digging OP since the timeskip
Hard to believe we're already at the point that we have to worry about another hiatus. I always try to prepare for the worst but hope for the best, so the announcement of a hiatus after these 10 chapters wouldn't break me.

I've been really enjoying the latest OP arc, especially with the fight that just finished. Not sure how it will rank once it's finished and I've had some time to mull it over, but right now it's one of my favorites in the series.
 

Leo

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I dont know about the manga, but the CA arc has serious pacing problems in the anime. It's takes so damn long to start getting interesting, and then falls back into being boring. It's really had a lot of highs and lows, and the lows felt like they dragged too much. There are so many side stories, unnecessary fights, so many characters that feel pointless and made the whole arc feel very bloated. I'd say if around 40% of its lenght were cut, it would be much better.

Aside from pacing problems, I don't really like how nen and power levels were handled on it. The nen abilities used to be interesting and self explanatory, resulting in creative fights. Here they are either too wacky and pointless (like, what was the point of Shoot's Hotel Rafflesia for the story? I still don't understand. It feels like Togashi just thought the character would look cool with a bird cage on him), or demand too much explaining (that Gon x Knuckle fight is ridiculous with all that blabbering, and many others), which gets on the way of the fight. Also, the power levels felt unbalanced, the villains were presented as being too OP and it's not convincing how Gon could pose a thread to Pitou, for example, just cause he trained for a couple weeks, or how Meruem could be hurt by a man made bomb. I'm curious about how Togashi is going to handle the power levels after this arc, I haven't watched/read anything yet, but I don't see how he could create any tension from now on, since all past villains who felt so dangerous before, look kinda weak now (Kuroro and Hisoka, for example).

The arc did have some spectacular moments, but idk, it just feels weird overall, like it shouldn't belong in HxH.
 

edo_kid

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Oct 27, 2017
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Damn are we already near a full volume? Quick someone from Nissin send him some more magic noodles.

I'm curious about how Togashi is going to handle the power levels after this arc, I haven't watched/read anything yet, but I don't see how he could create any tension from now on, since all past villains who felt so dangerous before, look kinda weak now (Kuroro and Hisoka, for example).

Why not? Its not like there are a lot people of Netero / Ants power just around the corner, Kuroro and Hisoka are still very dangerous compared to the majority of the fighters we have seen.
 
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Why not? Its not like there are a lot people of Netero / Ants power just around the corner, Kuroro and Hisoka are still very dangerous compared to the majority of the fighters we have seen.

Yeah. Also a lot of the tension with the chimera ants had to do with exterminating them before they could gain the kind of life experience or cynicism of a Netero, Kuroro, or Hisoka. Compared to these fighters, the chimera ants were basically children, albeit with an order of talent previously unseen.
 

Lotus

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and it's not convincing how Gon could pose a thread to Pitou

I loved that. You as a reader/watcher felt damn sure he couldn't do shit to Pitou, no matter how grumpy he looked. But with that in mind, he looked really, really grumpy, so you can't help but wonder how exactly he'd attempt to pull it off. Then it turns out that uh, yea, apparently he can pose a threat to her! But it comes at a cost....

Also there was that one instance where he had the advantage due to Komugi being vulnerable. That was messed up.
 

B-Dubs

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Yeah. Also a lot of the tension with the chimera ants had to do with exterminating them before they could gain the kind of life experience or cynicism of a Netero, Kuroro, or Hisoka. Compared to these fighters, the chimera ants were basically children, albeit with an order of talent previously unseen.
Most of the ants were beaten due to a lack of experience. They made mistakes that seasoned fighters wouldn't. Sure, they all had unimaginable power but they had no real experience using it. Imagine Meruem with a few years of experience under his belt.
 

The Silver

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hisoka has become scarier than ever after his loss to Chrollo. Loved how he killed those 2 spiders, never saw it coming.
 

B-Dubs

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I wonder if Chrollo gets to keep Kortopi and Shalnark hatsu's, if they get "permanent" like the Sun and Moon.
Their loyalty should make it even stronger in death.
I think it depends on the kind of hatsu. Sun and Moon looks like the sort of thing we'd expect to persist through death, I'm not sure theirs are.
 
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Most of the ants were beaten due to a lack of experience. They made mistakes that seasoned fighters wouldn't. Sure, they all had unimaginable power but they had no real experience using it. Imagine Meruem with a few years of experience under his belt.
Yeah that and they weren't too creative with their Nen abilities outside of a few. Morel was able to see through most of them. The only difficult ones were the RG. Cheetu and Leol went out like chumps for example. I do wonder how hard Zazan would've been if she was still at the palace for example. Feitan had to put in some serious work on that one, unless it was just a bad mismatch for him.
 

B-Dubs

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Yeah that and they weren't too creative with their Nen abilities outside of a few. Morel was able to see through most of them. The only difficult ones were the RG. Cheetu and Leol went out like chumps for example. I do wonder how hard Zazan would've been if she was still at the palace for example. Feitan had to put in some serious work on that one, unless it was just a bad mismatch for him.
Cheetu had a cool ability, but didn't understand how it worked or how to take advantage of it at all.
 

edo_kid

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Cheetu was such a dumbass, my boy Morel handled her like a boss.

I think it depends on the kind of hatsu. Sun and Moon looks like the sort of thing we'd expect to persist through death, I'm not sure theirs are.

Kortopi power is a big loss, that thing was very important for thieves. That's a rare power to lose, if he keeps a hatsu it's gonna be that one.
 

B-Dubs

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Kortopi power is a big loss, that thing was very important for thieves. That's a rare power to lose, if he keeps a hatsu it's gonna be that one.
I think the Hatsu where you actually create a physical object are the ones that don't persist through death. I have no way of proving this, but I just feel like it makes a certain amount of sense.

Kurapika's nen chain around the heart would probably stick around, or just plain trigger, if he died but that's a conjured item with a very specific purpose and goal. I feel like something more general wouldn't stick around because the conjurer didn't create them with a specific goal in mind.

Nen that persists through death just seems like the idea of a dying curse to me, so without that specific and powerful impulse I don't think it would persist.
 

The Silver

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I wonder how things would've went down in the palace if Knov hadn't cracked up. His scream ability seems like it would OP if combined with Meloreon.

The battle with Youpi would've been really different. Gon won't let anyone else have Pitou, same for Netero and Meruem. Pouf I'd think they'd still do the smoky jail plan but after that you'd have to get lucky cause he's usually flying and has his clones dispersed and scream won't help much with that.
 

NHarmonic.

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I dont know about the manga, but the CA arc has serious pacing problems in the anime. It's takes so damn long to start getting interesting, and then falls back into being boring. It's really had a lot of highs and lows, and the lows felt like they dragged too much. There are so many side stories, unnecessary fights, so many characters that feel pointless and made the whole arc feel very bloated. I'd say if around 40% of its lenght were cut, it would be much better.

Aside from pacing problems, I don't really like how nen and power levels were handled on it. The nen abilities used to be interesting and self explanatory, resulting in creative fights. Here they are either too wacky and pointless (like, what was the point of Shoot's Hotel Rafflesia for the story? I still don't understand. It feels like Togashi just thought the character would look cool with a bird cage on him), or demand too much explaining (that Gon x Knuckle fight is ridiculous with all that blabbering, and many others), which gets on the way of the fight. Also, the power levels felt unbalanced, the villains were presented as being too OP and it's not convincing how Gon could pose a thread to Pitou, for example, just cause he trained for a couple weeks, or how Meruem could be hurt by a man made bomb. I'm curious about how Togashi is going to handle the power levels after this arc, I haven't watched/read anything yet, but I don't see how he could create any tension from now on, since all past villains who felt so dangerous before, look kinda weak now (Kuroro and Hisoka, for example).

The arc did have some spectacular moments, but idk, it just feels weird overall, like it shouldn't belong in HxH.

Agree with every point. However, the way the new arc has handled the tensiom has been pretty good imo. The current story isn't so "global threat" centered. It's more grounded and psychological as we've seen when kurapika takes the lead of this series.
 

Ultra

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I loved that. You as a reader/watcher felt damn sure he couldn't do shit to Pitou, no matter how grumpy he looked. But with that in mind, he looked really, really grumpy, so you can't help but wonder how exactly he'd attempt to pull it off. Then it turns out that uh, yea, apparently he can pose a threat to her! But it comes at a cost....

Also there was that one instance where he had the advantage due to Komugi being vulnerable. That was messed up.

Well, it was clearly established that even angered Kid Gon, with the help of Palm, Melereon, Ikalgo, Killua and them lot would stand no chance against Pitou.
 

Twig

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Oct 25, 2017
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Mfw when people try to say comets and arc is "poorly papac" in the anime: angry confused face dot jpeg

It is masterful. Y'all crazy.
 

Ultra

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As I said, the fun was in wondering what his attempt would be despite this knowledge.

That's fine, just venting :P

While the overhype of Killua is frustrating, the overhype of Gon [people saying Kid Gon can tangle with Meruem or Pitou because of vague statements just triggers me as a Hxh fan]

Gon had no plan and Nen isn't power levels where stuff gets solved simply by hitting it harder.

Exactly.

An extremely emotionally amped Gon was hyped as a big threat to a Nenless/Naked Pitou. However, we all know that Nen is a humongous amp, especially for a Royal Guard. And besides, we already know even if they all worked together, they'd be no match for Pitou. - their job was ultimately to keep the guards away from The King, not to necessarily beat them. Even Netero suspected his disciples to be dead. It didn't matter if they lost 1-3, as long the King died. Gon of course had his own motives and goals, but that doesn't mean they're realistic motives and goals - he wasn't in a good place mentally. Gon's Ja Janken wouldn't of done shit to Pitou.
 

Lotus

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That's fine, just venting :P

While the overhype of Killua is frustrating, the overhype of Gon [people saying Kid Gon can tangle with Meruem or Pitou because of vague statements just triggers me as a Hxh fan]

If there's anything I've never engaged in, it's HxH power level discussions.
 

Ultra

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If there's anything I've never engaged in, it's HxH power level discussions.

Yeah, it's a two edge sword for me. I think they're really fun when you got a lot of information and can have an honest debate about a match-up, but the other side is you just get so much dumb shit spewed all over the place.
 
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One of my favorite moments is him wracking his brain when Meruem was about to eat him, that boy went into maximum overdrive.
That dude aged like a 100 years in a second. That cold dead whisper of "Komugi" was chilling and it saved his ass. Dude was dead otherwise, was such a great scene though.
Yeah, it's a two edge sword for me. I think they're really fun when you got a lot of information and can have an honest debate about a match-up, but the other side is you just get so much dumb shit spewed all over the place.
Who in their right mind would think kid Gon could fucks with Pitou? You should've thrown your hands at them like Shoot.
 

Ultra

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That dude aged like a 100 years in a second. That cold dead whisper of "Komugi" was chilling and it saved his ass. Dude was dead otherwise, was such a great scene though.

Who in their right mind would think kid Gon could fucks with Pitou? You should've thrown your hands at them like Shoot.

You'd be surprised. The argument is entirely based on this panel

hxh28-gon-hunter.jpg



It's taken out of context, and because it's referencing Meurem, then "obviously" he'd rek Pitou, right? I don't even reply to it anymore.
 
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You'd be surprised. The argument is entirely based on this panel

hxh28-gon-hunter.jpg



It's taken out of context, and because it's referencing Meurem, then "obviously" he'd rek Pitou, right? I don't even reply to it anymore.
If base Gon was even that powerful then why would he do that pact that throws away his very life for the exact power to kill Pitou. Pitou was talking about Gon's potential, not the Gon that was sitting in front of her. Do these guys even reading comprehension?
 

Lotus

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Again, the fun is knowing full well that he's out of his depth, but the performance/demeanor amusingly makes you believe he has something up his sleeve. And whaddya know, he did lol
 
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Again, the fun is knowing full well that he's out of his depth, but the performance/demeanor amusingly makes you believe he has something up his sleeve. And whaddya know, he did lol
He had no plan for after the fight though. It's was like his fight with Genthru. "So how you gonna grow back that hand Gon? I have no fucking idea."