very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
Yep.I lurked in this thread quite a bit. Your updates were appreciated, as coverage from major western news outlets were sparse.
Yep.
Sad news, sadly not unexpected. The shitty gaslighting on that woman is disgusting too ("poor thing needs psychiatric treatment!"). Ugh.
it's the norm here, honestly. they can't just say she's a sane woman who wants basic rights.Encouraging moral corruption? Lmao.
If she was sent to me for psychological evaluation I'd politely say "you're normal", discharged.
Can't imagine how much courage this takes in that part of the world.
what does it say ?edit: today, on international women's day, these three girls on the subway sang this song, great song and great speech at the end, got me teary eyed.
i don't think i can translate the lyrics, as translated poetry would never sound as good. it's kind of a feminist anthem.
very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
it's the norm here, honestly. they can't just say she's a sane woman who wants basic rights.
it's so weird for me that i live somewhere that this seems normal to me but to anyone living in europe or any other civilized society this might seem crazy. i was expecting these girls to have to do some time in prison, but i think in the end, they did plant a seed. it's something that hadn't happened before, for so many women to basically say they don't accept this bullshit law, and i think that first move and the amount of support it got will be the end of that law, sooner or later.
edit: today, on international women's day, these three girls on the subway sang this song, great song and great speech at the end, got me teary eyed.
also ali khamenei, "supreme leader" and grand asshole in charge, said today in a speech: "the fact that four girls have been tricked to take off their scarves is a non-issue, what bothers me is other people bringing up compulsory hijab as an issue, there's no compulsion, it's just what the vast majority of the population want."
as a dictator, his style is to not directly voice his opposition to most things and rather make light of everything and let his cronies do the talking, so for him to directly address this is pretty special, must have really bothered him.
i (attempted) to translate the lyrics:
I think Turkey's soft power can help secularize and remove religious doctrines in legislation. Their culture is similiar so I have hopes.Good to see, not the arrests though. Hijab is a personal choice, should not be state mandated.
Hope there are gigantic protests so that the arrests for that many people are not feasible.
Thanks for that! I liked it even without understanding it, but that elevates it even more. Powerful stuff.i (attempted) to translate the lyrics:
little flowers grow out of my scars
scars that are there because i exist
because i'm a woman
if we stand together
and walk together
and hold each others' hand
we'll be free from the oppression
we'll create another world
a world of equality
of understanding and sisterhood
a happier and better world
a world with no one being stoned
no one being hanged
no one crying under their burden [of womanhood]
no one being insulted and humiliated
we'll create another world
a world of equality
of understanding and sisterhood
a happier and better world
this is nice, i like her voice.And completely coincidentally, I just happen to be listening to this Vas album, whose frontwoman is an Iranian singer called Azam Ali <3 sorry if slightly off-topic but I'll share it anyway because it's gorgeous music:
very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
Bump bump bump this thread when there's news. These women are heroes and their struggles deserve to be known.
i'll try and do it whenever there's any important news about this movement
Edit: And completely coincidentally, I just happen to be listening to this Vas album, whose frontwoman is an Iranian singer called Azam Ali <3 sorry if slightly off-topic but I'll share it anyway because it's gorgeous music:
I think Turkey's soft power can help secularize and remove religious doctrines in legislation. Their culture is similiar so I have hopes.
Is there any realistic scenario of the fundamentalists (Khamenei etc and their institutions) losing power/influence? It is heartbreaking so see a nation with so much potential and modern young people being suppressed and held back.
You must have missed the last 10 years under Erdogan.
i think the most realistic (and best) scenario is once khamenei dies, he is replaced by a more moderate cleric. i don't think the entire regime will change anytime soon.Is there any realistic scenario of the fundamentalists (Khamenei etc and their institutions) losing power/influence? It is heartbreaking so see a nation with so much potential and modern young people being suppressed and held back.
very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
Wow. When you are threatened by a sweet old lady who exerts herself climbing on that small ledge so badly that you throw big black iron bars around the place. Beyond pathetic, indeed.this older woman got a lot of attention for her protest, now they've done this in that park. beyond pathetic.
they've done it so that park and that fountain doesn't turn into a regular spot for the protesters. imagine being so fucked in the head [the person who ordered the bars to be installed and the higher ups] that you can't say to yourself hey, if an old lady is peacefully protesting and my reaction is putting black bars around a fountain in a park, maybe there's a bigger issue that won't be solved by this sort of "band aid on gun wound" movesWow. When you are threatened by a sweet old lady who exerts herself climbing on that small ledge so badly that you throw big black iron bars around the place. Beyond pathetic, indeed.
Wow. When you are threatened by a sweet old lady who exerts herself climbing on that small ledge so badly that you throw big black iron bars around the place. Beyond pathetic, indeed.
That would require paying attention to the outside world so.... LOL
as someone in the country who also follows western news and media, i feel like they have a narrative to push and they don't really like to stray far from it. that narrative is mostly about painting the people of iran (and most other middle eastern countries) as simplistic caricatures of humans, who are just kinda being ruled by these oppressive governments and going along with it, and in more racist cases, a nation of terrorist and suicide bombers. just in this thread (and elsewhere on the internet) i've talked to people who were even surprised that we have internet access here, and have had many other misconceptions about the country.
That could very well be the case. Especially in the US unfortunately. What i've seen lately can't even be called journalism. But i haven't seen much in-depth coverage in my country either.as someone in the country who also follows western news and media, i feel like they have a narrative to push and they don't really like to stray far from it. that narrative is mostly about painting the people of iran (and most other middle eastern countries) as simplistic caricatures of humans, who are just kinda being ruled by these oppressive governments and going along with it, and in more racist cases, a nation of terrorist and suicide bombers. just in this thread (and elsewhere on the internet) i've talked to people who were even surprised that we have internet access here, and have had many other misconceptions about the country.
it just doesn't feel like they would want to suddenly start painting the people here, specially women, as complex human beings who fight for their rights, want equality, do powerful civil movements and protests. i really don't see a lot of that aspect of the iranian people portrayed in western media.
specially since the image that i've seen of the iranian woman as portrayed in the western media and news is someone who's covered head to toe (you can see the regular hijab that most iranian women wear, it's nothing like what most people assume), as way more oppressed than they actually are (not saying things are anywhere near ok but still), and as people with absolutely no voice.
maybe i'm completely wrong and unfair, but that's honestly why i think this movement never really got the attention it deserved in western media. they didn't want to change the narrative they like to push.
What a beautiful smile.Maryam Shariatmadari, the girl who was pushed off the box, was released yesterday after being held for two weeks. it's not a full release, like most other's who have been released. they've just provided the bail money and will likely be sentenced to at least a few months in prison
maryam is going to court on saturday. she will probably get the same sentence as narges.
Narges Hoseini, who i mentioned in these posts, has been sentenced to two years in prison. she has to serve 3 months of that sentence, and the remaining 21 months will be suspended for five years. if during those five years she commits any "crime", she'll have to serve the 21 months plus the punishment for that crime. if not, the 21 months will be forgiven.
a man harassing a girl not wearing hijab, this has gotten big and getting a lot of coverage