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Women in Iran are starting a movement, protesting the compulsory hijab
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BBC: Iran jails woman for removing headscarf in public
The woman, who has not been officially named, was found guilty of "encouraging moral corruption", Tehran prosecutor Abbas Jafari-Dolatabadi said.
He added that 21 months of the woman's sentence had been suspended and that she was in need of medical treatment.
It follows dozens of similar arrests of Iranian women in recent weeks.
Most of those detained for defying the country's strict law on appearing in public in a headscarf have been released without charge.
The woman sentenced in the capital, Tehran, on Wednesday was jailed for three months without parole.
She is "in need of long-term medical treatment and has to be seen by a psychiatrist", Mr Jafari-Dolatabadi said.
He criticised the suspension of the majority of her sentence and argued that she should serve the full term of her penalty.
In December, an Iranian woman who was detained after defiantly taking off her headscarf and holding it on a stick in Tehran became the face of protests in the country.
Images of her standing on a telecoms box in a busy street in the city were widely shared on social media. The woman was later freed.
He added that 21 months of the woman's sentence had been suspended and that she was in need of medical treatment.
It follows dozens of similar arrests of Iranian women in recent weeks.
Most of those detained for defying the country's strict law on appearing in public in a headscarf have been released without charge.
The woman sentenced in the capital, Tehran, on Wednesday was jailed for three months without parole.
She is "in need of long-term medical treatment and has to be seen by a psychiatrist", Mr Jafari-Dolatabadi said.
He criticised the suspension of the majority of her sentence and argued that she should serve the full term of her penalty.
In December, an Iranian woman who was detained after defiantly taking off her headscarf and holding it on a stick in Tehran became the face of protests in the country.
Images of her standing on a telecoms box in a busy street in the city were widely shared on social media. The woman was later freed.
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very sad about the news. there have been many developments since i last posted in this thread, but i just didn't want to constantly bump it as it seemed like not many were following the movement.
I lurked in this thread quite a bit. Your updates were appreciated, as coverage from major western news outlets were sparse.
Yep.
Sad news, sadly not unexpected. The shitty gaslighting on that woman is disgusting too ("poor thing needs psychiatric treatment!"). Ugh.
Encouraging moral corruption? Lmao.
If she was sent to me for psychological evaluation I'd politely say "you're normal", discharged.
If she was sent to me for psychological evaluation I'd politely say "you're normal", discharged.
The update wasn't unexpected. Acts of protest like this were never going to go without some kind of retaliation.
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it's the norm here, honestly. they can't just say she's a sane woman who wants basic rights.
it's so weird for me that i live somewhere that this seems normal to me but to anyone living in europe or any other civilized society this might seem crazy. i was expecting these girls to have to do some time in prison, but i think in the end, they did plant a seed. it's something that hadn't happened before, for so many women to basically say they don't accept this bullshit law, and i think that first move and the amount of support it got will be the end of that law, sooner or later.
edit: today, on international women's day, these three girls on the subway sang this song, great song and great speech at the end, got me teary eyed.
also ali khamenei, "supreme leader" and grand asshole in charge, said today in a speech: "the fact that four girls have been tricked to take off their scarves is a non-issue, what bothers me is other people bringing up compulsory hijab as an issue, there's no compulsion, it's just what the vast majority of the population want."
as a dictator, his style is to not directly voice his opposition to most things and rather make light of everything and let his cronies do the talking, so for him to directly address this is pretty special, must have really bothered him.
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This is disappointing. I have hope the younger generations in Iran can bring about change. I've met a few Iranians, and they are more liberal and secular than the media paints Iranians to be. Granted, they are usually from Tehran and were studying in the US, but they said that in the bigger cities, there are a lot of younger people wanting to bring change about change in the country.
Good to see, not the arrests though. Hijab is a personal choice, should not be state mandated.
Hope there are gigantic protests so that the arrests for that many people are not feasible.
Hope there are gigantic protests so that the arrests for that many people are not feasible.
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i don't think i can translate the lyrics, as translated poetry would never sound as good. it's kind of a feminist anthem.
the speech at the end says:
"today is international women's day, it's been 110 years since the first women's day. clap for yourselves for enduring and fighting discrimination, violence, humiliation and insults all your lives, paying the price for wanting to live as an equal human, and for being the heroes of your own lives. happy women's day."
and then an old lady says: "be careful" (not in a mean way, more like don't get into trouble)
and the girls laugh
this happened in the subway, in women's part of a train. there are usually two cars (is that the right word? the parts of a subway train that are connected) that are reserved for women. they don't need to ride those, but men can't enter. if a woman feels more comfortable being with other women she can ride in them.
also today is kind of a special day. the women's day in iran is also tomorrow, but the women's day here is based on the birth of fatima, the daughter of mohammed, and is calculated by the islamic calender (355 days) so it falls on a different day each year. for the two women's day to be one day apart is kinda special.
Please do. I think many of us just lurk in this thread.
We don't get much unfiltered news from your country and it's great to see people standing up for their rights in that part of the world.
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from today
some people have gathered in front of a detention center where some of the arrested girls are being held, demanding their release
some people have gathered in front of a detention center where some of the arrested girls are being held, demanding their release
I don't understand it but that is awesome. Things like this need to hope to keep up the pressure as if the Government silences and scares all hope is lost.
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i (attempted) to translate the lyrics:
little flowers grow out of my scars
scars that are there because i exist
because i'm a woman
if we stand together
and walk together
and hold each others' hand
we'll be free from the oppression
we'll create another world
a world of equality
of understanding and sisterhood
a happier and better world
a world with no one being stoned
no one being hanged
no one crying under their burden [of womanhood]
no one being insulted and humiliated
we'll create another world
a world of equality
of understanding and sisterhood
a happier and better world
I think Turkey's soft power can help secularize and remove religious doctrines in legislation. Their culture is similiar so I have hopes.
Thanks for that! I liked it even without understanding it, but that elevates it even more. Powerful stuff.
Edit: And completely coincidentally, I just happen to be listening to this Vas album, whose frontwoman is an Iranian singer called Azam Ali <3 sorry if slightly off-topic but I'll share it anyway because it's gorgeous music:
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I vote you bump this anytime you can. I always check this thread when I've seen it up on the front page, but have never posted because I don't have much to add beyond the usual "yay women, boo Iranian regime". On-the-ground news from Iran is hard to come by in Western media, so as long as we have some active Iranian Resetters, I'm happy to see updates.
Plus, just on a personal level, the oppression in Iran has always felt particularly tragic to me. Like the world is full of oppressive places, and even the "freest" places clearly have an issue with wannabe oppressors right now, but, the oppression in Iran feels like it's robbing the whole world of one of its great cultures, in a way you don't really feel with oppression in, say, China or something. Like, a whole people, not just not free, but completely prevented from flourishing as a nation and culture. So seeing the people push back against that is always good.
Wonderful women. Such heroes.
I'm just sick of old men all over the world using archaic religions and " traditional " values to control women's bodies. Bunch of sexually frustrated cavemen. And of course these cowards think it's perfectly normal to jail innocent women for simply showing their hair in public. History won't be kind to them.
I see a lot of men too in these protests so at least there's hope. Good for them.
I'm just sick of old men all over the world using archaic religions and " traditional " values to control women's bodies. Bunch of sexually frustrated cavemen. And of course these cowards think it's perfectly normal to jail innocent women for simply showing their hair in public. History won't be kind to them.
I see a lot of men too in these protests so at least there's hope. Good for them.
Bump bump bump this thread when there's news. These women are heroes and their struggles deserve to be known.
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i'll try and do it whenever there's any important news about this movement
You're right, I'm halfway through this album and it's completely gorgeous. There's a lot of small moments that remind me of the Nier:A soundtrack. Thanks for throwing this up.
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Maryam Shariatmadari, the girl who was pushed off the box, was released yesterday after being held for two weeks. it's not a full release, like most other's who have been released. they've just provided the bail money and will likely be sentenced to at least a few months in prison
Is there any realistic scenario of the fundamentalists (Khamenei etc and their institutions) losing power/influence? It is heartbreaking so see a nation with so much potential and modern young people being suppressed and held back.
You must have missed the last 10 years under Erdogan.
You must have missed the last 10 years under Erdogan.
The youth are going to have to fight for their freedom and hopefully have the eyes of the wider world backing them. When I say fight I don't mean violently, that will just end up with them being killed. On-going protests and risking their current "freedoms" from political dissent. The kind of activism that might cost them in the short/mid-term but it will hopefully set future generations free.
It would be good to see more men backing them, but that is precisely the problem. Men.
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i think the most realistic (and best) scenario is once khamenei dies, he is replaced by a more moderate cleric. i don't think the entire regime will change anytime soon.
Please update the thread. There are few people here from your country but I, for one, love to hear about progressive reforms even in the most conservative of places.
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this older woman got a lot of attention for her protest, now they've done this in that park. beyond pathetic.
women in turkey voicing their support for iranian girls
grafitti on valiasr street, one of the major streets in tehran
grafitti on a telecom box, showing the girl who was pushed off the box by police and then arrested
this was done on the telecom box that the first two girls, Vida and Narges (from OP), got on top of to protest. they later put that triangle thingie on top so no one can stand there
more protesters from today
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Wow. When you are threatened by a sweet old lady who exerts herself climbing on that small ledge so badly that you throw big black iron bars around the place. Beyond pathetic, indeed.this older woman got a lot of attention for her protest, now they've done this in that park. beyond pathetic.
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they've done it so that park and that fountain doesn't turn into a regular spot for the protesters. imagine being so fucked in the head [the person who ordered the bars to be installed and the higher ups] that you can't say to yourself hey, if an old lady is peacefully protesting and my reaction is putting black bars around a fountain in a park, maybe there's a bigger issue that won't be solved by this sort of "band aid on gun wound" moves
Doubly so when the protesters can just stand on the sidewalk. I wanna see how the pigs work around that.
That would require paying attention to the outside world so.... LOL
thanks again for all of your updates mazi, i too have been following this thread for a while now
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as someone in the country who also follows western news and media, i feel like they have a narrative to push and they don't really like to stray far from it. that narrative is mostly about painting the people of iran (and most other middle eastern countries) as simplistic caricatures of humans, who are just kinda being ruled by these oppressive governments and going along with it, and in more racist cases, a nation of terrorist and suicide bombers. just in this thread (and elsewhere on the internet) i've talked to people who were even surprised that we have internet access here, and have had many other misconceptions about the country.
it just doesn't feel like they would want to suddenly start painting the people here, specially women, as complex human beings who fight for their rights, want equality, do powerful civil movements and protests. i really don't see a lot of that aspect of the iranian people portrayed in western media.
specially since the image that i've seen of the iranian woman as portrayed in the western media and news is someone who's covered head to toe (you can see the regular hijab that most iranian women wear, it's nothing like what most people assume), as way more oppressed than they actually are (not saying things are anywhere near ok but still), and as people with absolutely no voice.
maybe i'm completely wrong and unfair, but that's honestly why i think this movement never really got the attention it deserved in western media. they didn't want to change the narrative they like to push.
That could very well be the case. Especially in the US unfortunately. What i've seen lately can't even be called journalism. But i haven't seen much in-depth coverage in my country either.
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a girl, saying she walked all the way from school to home with no hijab, and saying she's against the law of compulsory hijab
a group of women, yesterday in a park in tehran
a group of people in norway, including iranian immigrants, showing their support yesterday
a group of women, yesterday in a park in tehran
a group of people in norway, including iranian immigrants, showing their support yesterday
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Narges Hoseini, who i mentioned in these posts, has been sentenced to two years in prison. she has to serve 3 months of that sentence, and the remaining 21 months will be suspended for five years. if during those five years she commits any "crime", she'll have to serve the 21 months plus the punishment for that crime. if not, the 21 months will be forgiven.
turkish girls supporting the movement on international women's day
a girl from melbourne
turkish girls supporting the movement on international women's day
a girl from melbourne
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Yeah this thread was great.
Awful to hear about the developments.
Edit - just saw all the new stuff, the solidarity is excellent
That guy screaming "obey the rules", christ
Awful to hear about the developments.
Edit - just saw all the new stuff, the solidarity is excellent
That guy screaming "obey the rules", christ
What a beautiful smile.Maryam Shariatmadari, the girl who was pushed off the box, was released yesterday after being held for two weeks. it's not a full release, like most other's who have been released. they've just provided the bail money and will likely be sentenced to at least a few months in prison
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maryam is going to court on saturday. she will probably get the same sentence as narges.
Man that hurts me a lot. Religion has a lot to answer for when it empowers such hate.
ps3ud0 8)
