You will regret 55" if you wanted the 65" and have the room for it. Size is the #1 TV regret people have.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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You will regret 55" if you wanted the 65" and have the room for it. Size is the #1 TV regret people have.
I don't know if I have the size for it!
In the house I bought the living/family room only has one good place for the TV/Speaker setup. And because when I was younger (like 21) I got these massive Polk tower speakers on a firesale from some store. I hate how big they are and they usually make planning anything a pain. They sound fantastic (they're my fronts and center), they're just so god damn big. I've seriously thought about replacing them but I just don't want to spend the extra money :lol
Makes sense. Those 10"s are a massive difference though. How far away do you sit?
Was so ready to pull the trigger on C7 OLED, but doing one last round of research, saw the burn in tests from RTings... so back to the drawing board on that I guess.
Anyone have the Sony 930E?
Anyone have the Sony 930E?
Probably like 6 feet. I've had a 50" Panasonic plasma since like 2009 and I've been happy with it.
As long as the B8 (Alpha 7) can handle it, then yeah 2017 will get it too.
lol, at least when Sony used Quantum Dots in their TVs all those years ago they had the sense to use another term to describe the technology by calling it triluminos. Samsung and their boobery are just outright walking the line with confusing people here.
Isn't the A7 more powerful than the chips in the 7 series sets?
A7 is the same chip as in the 2017 sets, but the A9 which is in C8/E8/W8, is more powerful.
Oh I didn't know this was confirmed (A7 = last year's sets)
So Justice League has Dolby Vision on disc too. Is it finally happening where Dolby Vision is becoming the norm for 4k disc releases? Justice League, Jumanji, and The Last Jedi all have Dolby Vision on disc (alongside hdr10) with all three movies out in March.
I'm going to have to get a stand alone player and move my Xbox to another room.
I'm going to have to get a stand alone player and move my Xbox to another room.
That would be neat.
Boy, the difference between 75" and 65" is a cool £1000. Does it justify 10"s more...a hundred pounds for every inch? Hmm. I could put that £1000 towards something else. Plus my flat isn't that big really. Decent for a one bedroom but not huge and 75" will easily dominate it. So, if not 75" (and the Sony KD75XE904) then is it the LG 65B7 or the Panasonic 65EZ952? LG has Dolby Vision. Panasonic has very low input lag and Black Frame Insertion (LG OLED's don't I believe). Panasonic is a bit pricier.
Or just wait for the new TV's to turn up.
Or just wait for the new TV's to turn up.
Panny actually has higher input lag at 25ms vs 21, also Panny's BFI only hits 600 lines, plus LG have a higher ABL threshold.
The LG offers way more, active HDR is a big deal for HDR10, trust me.
Also LG's have a Dolby Vision game preset, imho the Panny's are overpriced, and don't compete with the LG's.
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Here we go again... Please read the OP regarding Oled burn in and actual owners here and avsforums reports about it. Links on OP.
You should read up on anecdotal evidences either here or on AVSforums, when it comes to burn ins and of to prevent them.
Though, I have the X930E myself, and it's a ridiculously good TV. The HDR is spectacular, and the local dimming feature is really nice to compensate for the lack of OLED.
Yep, if you are going to be using your TV in the way RTings are abusing theirs, it's probably wise to give OLED a miss.
Just ordered a 65inch LG B7 OLED. Also bundled it with a LG S9 soundbar since it had a fantastic discount.
I've already got my consoles moved over to my living room entertainment center, which is also new. Basically everything is ready to go, save for the shorter ethernet cables I just ordered from Monoprice. I'm not playing anything multiplayer right now, so it'll be about a week of Wifi connection until the shorter ethernet cables show up. The TV will be able to connect to WiFi to retrieve its firmware updates, yes? I won't be using WebOS on the TV, I've already got a 2017 Nvidia Shield TV that I'll be using for my streaming needs. I grabbed a standalone UHD player as well, but I just realized the model I got is not Dolby Vision compatible, which is why I thought to buy a second one -- sad I found myself with a hasty purchase there. I'll probably take it back and exchange it for a Dolby Vision compatible player, though despite buying UHDs for almost a year now, I'm not sure I actually have any movies that output in Dolby Vision, so HDR10 only might be just fine.
I just ended up grabbing Rocketfish HDMI cables for my Nvidia Shield and UHD player -- that should be enough for all my needs on those devices, right? They say 4K+HDR ready on the front, and 18Gbps transfer speed on the back of the box. Also, the PS4 Pro and the PSVR 2.0 both come packed with 4K+HDR ready cables, so I don't need to worry on that front, right (I know PSVR 2.0 has 4K+HDR passthrough)? I also have an Xbox One X and I know the cable it came with is ready to go for sure.
Any other tips to prepare for my ascension into 4K+HDR territory?
I've already got my consoles moved over to my living room entertainment center, which is also new. Basically everything is ready to go, save for the shorter ethernet cables I just ordered from Monoprice. I'm not playing anything multiplayer right now, so it'll be about a week of Wifi connection until the shorter ethernet cables show up. The TV will be able to connect to WiFi to retrieve its firmware updates, yes? I won't be using WebOS on the TV, I've already got a 2017 Nvidia Shield TV that I'll be using for my streaming needs. I grabbed a standalone UHD player as well, but I just realized the model I got is not Dolby Vision compatible, which is why I thought to buy a second one -- sad I found myself with a hasty purchase there. I'll probably take it back and exchange it for a Dolby Vision compatible player, though despite buying UHDs for almost a year now, I'm not sure I actually have any movies that output in Dolby Vision, so HDR10 only might be just fine.
I just ended up grabbing Rocketfish HDMI cables for my Nvidia Shield and UHD player -- that should be enough for all my needs on those devices, right? They say 4K+HDR ready on the front, and 18Gbps transfer speed on the back of the box. Also, the PS4 Pro and the PSVR 2.0 both come packed with 4K+HDR ready cables, so I don't need to worry on that front, right (I know PSVR 2.0 has 4K+HDR passthrough)? I also have an Xbox One X and I know the cable it came with is ready to go for sure.
Any other tips to prepare for my ascension into 4K+HDR territory?
Probably not so rare on a gaming enthusiast board, though. If playing games with static HUDs for 150+ hours is abuse, I guess I'm a TV abuser. I did it again with BotW just last year.
Apparently logo dimming options are available again on the 2018 LGs as another option to slow burn-in. Interested to see how that turns out.
But not even those abuse tests have issues with gaming HUDs, so I don't know what you're talking about. I got 105 hours in BotW myself.
If you run your TV 20 hours a day 7 days a week playing a single game, I think OLED burn-in or abuse should be one of your minor worries.. And even in those tests Call of Duty and FIFA HUDs show no signs of burn-in after 6 weeks.
They included a static logo in their test. That's equivalent to a static HUD. The 20 hours a day things does not matter. The important thing is the cumulative number of hours.
Are we going to have a 10 page discussion about this again? That's why we put info on the OP about this.
Yeah, I've read this plenty of times so I'll wait until the unit has settled before any major changes.
Not sure my TV will have that option (never specifically read about it for it). I'll check when it comes.
I will leave it on standby overnight though to go through it's cycle.
It was just a comment on a message board, not an official statement.
Found it though - #7398
He also goes on to say this - #7403
Sounds like it could be a little over-the-top scaremongering but I have no experience with OLED and I've never not used all my previous TV's to their full potential right from the off.
It feels like I could be raising a child. It's a bit daunting...maybe for no reason whatsoever.
Never really considered keeping the TV out of direct sunlight or away from strong light bounce. What is the effect on the TV? If, for instance, the sun highlights half of the TV would that half appear slightly washed out/less bright with a clear band?
Are there any HDMI cable recommendations? I'm currently using a Cambridge Audio HDMI cable that's over 5 years old and I'll be connecting my PS4 Pro directly to the TV so a 1 meter cable will suffice (I'll use optical to the receiver for sound).
Oh, and I understand I also need to use HDMI port 2 or 3 for Advanced 4K/HDR settings, I think!
Thanks for your help everyone.
What, FIFA and COD has static HUD and after 6 weeks those show no signs, so it clearly does matter when the earlier test show IR after only 2 weeks.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
In case you didn't know, the "real life" test is also "The TVs will all be controlled by a microcontroller to repeat a five hour on and one hour off cycle four times per day.", so after 6 weeks the COD/FIFA HUD should be more apparent than the Rtings logo after 2 weeks, but it isn't.
Clearly there's more to it than just cumulative hours.
Welp, here we go again, tried to direct people to the OP about burn in, but didn't work. Time to checkout from the thread for a few days...
Don't worry, won't reply further on the topic, it's a beaten dead horse after all. Sorry for that.
Didn't mean to start a riot here... read the OP, as I've been reading the reports and the forums and watching the videos... was just making a comment on that fact. :) If it's a banned topic or frowned upon question, THAT should be in the OP
I think I'm going with this TV as my choice to finally get 4K https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-xled-2017
Vizio P65 for $1200
I'd do the Sony X900E but it's like $200-300 more everywhere and I was already only planning to spend $1000
Supposedly awesome local dimming which is big to me.
Vizio P65 for $1200
I'd do the Sony X900E but it's like $200-300 more everywhere and I was already only planning to spend $1000
Supposedly awesome local dimming which is big to me.
So, my living room setup puts me about 11 feet away from my TV, so I've been researching large TVs.
Samsung has two 82" inch sets this year, (last year they only had the MU8000) the QN82Q6FNAFXZA and theUN82NU8000FXZA
Looking at those spec sheets, the only difference I can find between the two is the Q model has the Quantum dots for wider color gamut. We will have to wait for reviewer tests to see about things like brightness and viewing angle which are supposedly much better this year. The Q is $500 dollars more, which at these sizes, is not a huge amount.
(Edit: Initial prices are $4500 and $4000. Judging from past years, those will decrease by around $1000 fairly quickly. The MU8000 went from $5000 to $3300)
These sets have some drawbacks: Edge-Lit and no DolbyVision. However, for my situation, size trumps pretty much everything and these are still decent displays. Also, early tests from German sites show the 2018 Samsungs have input lag down around 17ms in Freesync mode! I also like the fact Samsung are including other HDMI 2.1 features like VRR and Auto Game mode this year.
Can't wait to see reviews for all the 2018 sets. Kind of a odd year, with HDMI 2.1 specs out, but nothing certified for it yet. Also, Samsung trying to make up for getting it's ass kicked in the high-end last year.
Samsung has two 82" inch sets this year, (last year they only had the MU8000) the QN82Q6FNAFXZA and theUN82NU8000FXZA
Looking at those spec sheets, the only difference I can find between the two is the Q model has the Quantum dots for wider color gamut. We will have to wait for reviewer tests to see about things like brightness and viewing angle which are supposedly much better this year. The Q is $500 dollars more, which at these sizes, is not a huge amount.
(Edit: Initial prices are $4500 and $4000. Judging from past years, those will decrease by around $1000 fairly quickly. The MU8000 went from $5000 to $3300)
These sets have some drawbacks: Edge-Lit and no DolbyVision. However, for my situation, size trumps pretty much everything and these are still decent displays. Also, early tests from German sites show the 2018 Samsungs have input lag down around 17ms in Freesync mode! I also like the fact Samsung are including other HDMI 2.1 features like VRR and Auto Game mode this year.
Can't wait to see reviews for all the 2018 sets. Kind of a odd year, with HDMI 2.1 specs out, but nothing certified for it yet. Also, Samsung trying to make up for getting it's ass kicked in the high-end last year.
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Do you know that effect on games where you see the ghosting of a decal on top when taking too much damage? they look like stains on the outskirts of the TV as you play? Its like that but on whatever shape and where the sun hits the TV. Even bounce light that is on the TV can cause this.
Here is a video that kinda shows what I'm talking about.
https://youtu.be/7vgtZTFKKpI
HDMIs i use are these.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NQ9OQU2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://slickdeals.net/share/iphone_app/t/11365867
If you live near a Frys, 1100 for the 65x900e is an insane deal
If you live near a Frys, 1100 for the 65x900e is an insane deal
Get certified premium cables, not just ones that advertise that they are ok. They can be cheap Monoprice cables, but it can save headaches later.
How do I tell if they're certified? Is there actually an organization that tracks and monitors manufacturers for that sort of thing, or is it something anyone can claim? And, I guess I should not at all be shocked if Best Buy's stuff isn't certified, but that's where I bought my cables for my nVidia Shield and UHD player -- got the RocketFish brand ones.
Dang! Deals like this make me really wish we had a Frys around here. Been eyeing the 930e, but would totally pick this up instead for that price.
When you see the orange logo / QR code on the package or on the website such as: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427 then you know it's a certified cable.
And to the question about whether there's any organization out there.. https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/premiumcable/faq.aspx
Of course there are some cheap cables that aren't certified and usually work fine, and there are $200+ non-certified cables that don't. This takes out the guessing.
It has a manufacturing fault where a white flashing line appears from time to time. If you can live with it, then ok. If not, maybe Sony is a good option. And by the way, Vizio ain't going to do anything to fix it, check avsforums, unfortunately it's not a firmware, or panel replacement fix, the issue is in their parts.
I checked AVS Forum and reddit and they say the E1 model issue has been fixed by a firmware update. Seems like it is fixed so not sure where you are still seeing people have the issue.
Is it finally out in the USA? I downloaded the Korean update a couple weeks ago. This is the update that fixes many of the Dolby Vision hdmi issues.
Probably. Sounds like 1100 is if you get the Fry's newsletter and have a coupon code. Then there's another 10% for display item (if I'm reading that OP right; it's a bit unclear)
There's something I want to do.
I want the Onimushas, Silent Hill 2/3, DMC 1/3, a bunch of Atlus games, etc. Basically, there are enough PS2 games that I feel the need to play that I want to do it right, so I want a small TV, because seeing a PS2 game stretched over my 55" is nightmare fuel. So, what TV do I want? Is there a 15" OLED with old inputs? If not, do I go CRT or Plasma? No one makes them new, right?
I want the Onimushas, Silent Hill 2/3, DMC 1/3, a bunch of Atlus games, etc. Basically, there are enough PS2 games that I feel the need to play that I want to do it right, so I want a small TV, because seeing a PS2 game stretched over my 55" is nightmare fuel. So, what TV do I want? Is there a 15" OLED with old inputs? If not, do I go CRT or Plasma? No one makes them new, right?
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