NYT: An Unwanted Kiss on ABC's ‘American Idol’ (MOD EDIT: READ OP)
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Idk, I feel like this kinda common. Because I also had it happen years later at my office job. Not the chest thing, but a supervisor there would rub on almost everyone's shoulder while talking to them.
Yes, I watched the video and the kiss definitely looked unwanted.
I hope he gets the help he needs to relieve any trauma he experienced. Perry should have known better.
I hope he gets the help he needs to relieve any trauma he experienced. Perry should have known better.
Why? I was being serious. The kid was traumatized by the experience. Perry should have known better.
Kinda sounded like you were being sarcastic. So you may want to edit that.
Imagine if this was a typical job interview and this was how the interviewer behaved toward the interviewee. This was unequivocally inappropriate. Perry deserves to be fired, though she certainly won't be.
Why would she do that? That's so dumb. You don't kiss people on the lips at first sight.
Edit: Ok then, forget it.
Oh come on...that sounded sarcastic as hell.
Edit: Ok then, forget it.
Doesn't it sound like he had a conversation w his friends, similar to here, and they concluded "yeah that's not a real kiss". Sounds like it is important to him his first kiss, but he doesn't consider this in a sense the same thing. Therefore I don't know that she "took" anything away from him according to his definition.
Sure you could say she was playing with fire, but thats what the joke was. Teasing something he's putting a lot of pressure on himself about
But it's not...it's a national media circus. "Deserves to be fired" lol..this world
Yup, with the egotistical assumption she was doing him a favor....or something.
I hope she apologizes. Kissing him without knowing or caring how he felt was not at all the right thing to do.
Yup. I got a feeling this will all blow over in a week and Perry's career will be virtually unaffected by this.
I don't see the big deal - and my opinion wouldn't change if the gender roles were reversed (or the same as in two men/women). Sure, boundaries were crossed and apologies are warranted but outrage? C'mon. They are all adults. Maybe I'm too old. What's interesting is I felt alone in being upset at the unwanted kiss scene in Strange Things 2. That was an underage girl and a legit kiss not a peck, but ERA was more OK with that.
This is wrong on so many level...
Bro, in this current era, if a dude would have done that to a girl, he would probably be "dead" by now.
Bro, in this current era, if a dude would have done that to a girl, he would probably be "dead" by now.
Honestly, if one reads that and has the same "no big deal" reaction, that's also a problem. And I'm pretty sure some people posting in this thread would excuse it, which is just as repulsive as excusing this.
Unwanted sexual contact is still unwanted sexual contact.
ABC has no luck with not hiring sexual predators. First the American version of Bake Off was cancelled after a few episodes because one of the judges was a predator, now the American Idol reboot has two!
Katy Perry is a "sexual predator" now.
Do we have a "this is resetera" gif yet?
Basically my feelings on this, also considering the kid's lukewarm reaction to it. People bringing up double standards (which only holds weight because of how genders are positioned in society) and #metoo to declare Katy should be severely punished are going a little bit overboard. Katy did a bad thing, and should apologize to the kid. Things don't have to be "as bad" in order to be "bad".
So according to you, Katy Perry was in the right for changing a kiss on the cheek to one on the lips despite not having consent to change in this physical interaction. I disagree. Cause he explicitly said "one on the cheek" and was physically shocked when she pushed the boundaries they had agreed to.
Resetera once again very critical for women doing dumb things.
I highly doubt she was going to take him back to her backstage room and "solicit a music contract" for him. This was a dumb awkward show piece done in the excitement of an also awkward kid.
Frankly a lot of men here aren't ready to give up double standards that help them and poo on women so I'm surprised of the rage over a dumb peck from an occasionally sleazy pop star who's basically primed to do stuff like this (crazy show stopping stuff, not sexual harassment...ideally). It's a gross double standard that she'd get away with this but I doubt the intent was to escalate this beyond that moment.
I don't think most would have reacted like this, even if it was a female contestant receiving from a male star she liked, wasn't Katy lucky to get the Rare guy who made his first kiss something totally sacred (after initially bragging about it)
I highly doubt she was going to take him back to her backstage room and "solicit a music contract" for him. This was a dumb awkward show piece done in the excitement of an also awkward kid.
Frankly a lot of men here aren't ready to give up double standards that help them and poo on women so I'm surprised of the rage over a dumb peck from an occasionally sleazy pop star who's basically primed to do stuff like this (crazy show stopping stuff, not sexual harassment...ideally). It's a gross double standard that she'd get away with this but I doubt the intent was to escalate this beyond that moment.
I don't think most would have reacted like this, even if it was a female contestant receiving from a male star she liked, wasn't Katy lucky to get the Rare guy who made his first kiss something totally sacred (after initially bragging about it)
feminism doesn't mean always supporting whatever a woman does
this is gross
It's not the worst thing to happen either. It's bad and I never said it wasn't, but I'm not going to pretend this is on par with a long term sexual affair.
This is a learning opportunity about what is and isn't appropriate, but I wouldn't think this fire-able and scandal worthy after apologies have already been handed out.
Besides I kept looking into a thread's here (mums not wanting kids was depressing enough to read how people quickly turn on women, or any number of sexually designed female characters) where a bunch of men refused to see women's sides on a lot of issue.
"Imagine the genders were reversed"
"Imagine this were a job interview"
These are strawmen. Context matters.
"Imagine this were a job interview"
These are strawmen. Context matters.
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So according to you, Katy Perry was in the right for changing a kiss on the cheek to one on the lips despite not having consent to change in this physical interaction. I disagree. Cause he explicitly said "one on the cheek" and was physically shocked when she pushed the boundaries they had agreed to.
What the fuck?!?! This GIF is even worse than the WaPo screenshot that was part of the article:
Not only Katy Perry looks very glad of what she did, both men also looked glad of what happened. So fucked up.
Good point. I mentioned earlier that a couple men have done this to me. It wasn't the end of the world but was creepy. What made it creepy was that it was clearly a ruse, not to laugh at and exploit the awkwardness of a young adult (which is messed up), but because they were clearly attracted to me and wanted more. But since it wasn't going to happen, they pulled this shit to get some amount of gratification. Either way, what she did was sleezy but some of the responses in here are equating her with a sex offender.
What the fuck?!?! This GIF is even worse than the WaPo screenshot that was part of the article:
Not only Katy Perry looks very glad of what she did, both men also looked glad of what happened. So fucked up.
God there's a lot of weird juju in that room...
Imagine genders reversed isn't a straw man, it's a simple exercise to help examine double standards.
Yes, context matters. This was still kissing someone against their wishes. That's pretty much wrong all the time, this situation included.
Not to mention factoring in the context of differing power levels. She's a celebrity and some form of judge, having influence over him, a contestant on a reality tv show. That context doesn't help Katy Perry here.
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Kiss so unexpected, it knocked him off his feet. Overall seems pretty awkward and reminds me of that Black Mirror episode Fifteen Million Merits with the obnoxious and inappropriate judges.
User Warned For: Insulting someone's beliefs for wanting their first kiss to be special.
The kid has shitty believes, can't blame Katy for that
That made me uncomfortable to watch and the fact that he almost falls backwards trying to get away from her kissing him on the lips made it even worse.
Yep, he was doomed even before this "kiss" which looked like .00001 seconds of actual contact. Why is this even a thing?
Wow, and I was just listening to her hit album WITNESS today!
Seems Katy is bringing the excitement, unpredictability and media attention back to this aged show which hasn't otherwise been relevant for a long time. Lionel Ritchie is there for some reason I see, and I'm not sure who that white guy is supposed to be.
Seems Katy is bringing the excitement, unpredictability and media attention back to this aged show which hasn't otherwise been relevant for a long time. Lionel Ritchie is there for some reason I see, and I'm not sure who that white guy is supposed to be.
We're in the middle of a #metoo movement and people are examining double standards.
Katy's obviously in the wrong but the reaction to this feels like we're well into the over-correction era of the "#metoo" saga. Hopefully, after Katy apologizes, nothing more comes of it.
Pretty much. Most of these reactions basically rob the person this actually happened to of their agency.
Yeah, the double standards are really obvious, especially in some reactions I've read where this incident seems to get a lot more nuance and reasonable consequences as opposed to the dynamic going the other way. But hey, I believe in not being an extreme dickhat, so she apologized, they laughed about it ultimately, and life goes on.
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