Aye, and well before the Nazis experienced any of their later electoral and power-concentrating successes.
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Frida Kahlo Barbie without unibrow for women's day
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...chloe-kim-international-womens-day/399044002/
Poor Frida
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I missed this before. I can see where some of the stuff he talks about would be things you hate (mentioning needing to "brand and market socialism", being an activist who wants to go educate the community etc.) but I don't see anything indicating they're supporting bourgeois nationalism and the like. The fact that they are specifically a group of black socialists aiming to serve the black community is just a result of the real conditions of American social structure. We can't pretend that white and black workers are going to respond to things the same way or have the same exact concerns or situations in life. It's most effective for people with a genuine connection to that community to be the ones doing the work in that community. He's pretty clearly not a black nationalist considering his explanation of his view of race, he's not trying to establish New Afrika down in the black belt, etc.
They're also explicitly against centralized power and state capitalism. He even links Pannekoek in the opener!
Now you might say that their claimed ideological position doesn't matter because organizing along racial lines is inherently contradictory to organizing along class lines and that it will inevitably result in the degradation of the movement and so forth but I'm just not seeing where anything "quasi-fascist" appears in there. Fascism has a lot more to it than just racial identity.
I saw pictures on Twitter that did have a unibrow. No wheelchair or polio scars though.
Frida Kahlo Barbie without unibrow for women's day
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...chloe-kim-international-womens-day/399044002/
Poor Frida
Sorry, that was a "hot take" kind of quick post without proper context. It's the thread in general and not specifically the OP.
My mistake for being lazy.
Glad to see that sentiment, actually. Those subs pride themselves on being "the biggest Leftist communities" and they're hilarious for it.
But yeah, I made a dumb, shallow, off the cuff remark that wasn't specific enough and apologize for it.
But yeah, I made a dumb, shallow, off the cuff remark that wasn't specific enough and apologize for it.
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Not specifically socialist (I mean, it's The Nation) but it's good to see someone actually paid attention to the WV teachers strike. The media seemed pretty uninterested in it. Hopefully this inspires some more action among other workers.
https://www.thenation.com/article/t...-that-winning-big-requires-creating-a-crisis/
https://www.thenation.com/article/t...-that-winning-big-requires-creating-a-crisis/
Same anti-communism as the thread before, same arguments even some people are the same...
I Will not reply there trying to give a long break of internet fight.
I Will not reply there trying to give a long break of internet fight.
The things I was close to saying to someone that posted essentially a "spoiled millennial's don't know how good they have it" take
Also I thought the majority of neck beards were right wing trump supporters but whatever.
Also I thought the majority of neck beards were right wing trump supporters but whatever.
Just control+f replace "Socialism" and "Communism" and replace with "Stalinism" and suddenly you have nothing to really disagree with them on.
But do You think they Care about the difference? They Will use "got you!you said this is not true communism, never is" some dont care to Understand and Some of them know the difference and dont care, those are arguing in bad faith, in fact i explained the difference to one user that's using Stalinism the same as communism in that thread
Hey guys! Subbed to this thread now. We got any communalist/ democratic confederalist/ libertarian municipalist socialists in the house other than me? It's fine if we don't, I'm just curious.
For those of you who saw my stuff in that LateStageCapitalism thread, by the way, do you have any advice for what I should do about my Holodomor-denying friend? He's a socialist as well-- in fact he joined up with a socialist Discord that I think is the problem. 'Cos he didn't use to talk that particular kind of shit. Posting stuff from Stalinists at this point and I don't know what to do.
For those of you who saw my stuff in that LateStageCapitalism thread, by the way, do you have any advice for what I should do about my Holodomor-denying friend? He's a socialist as well-- in fact he joined up with a socialist Discord that I think is the problem. 'Cos he didn't use to talk that particular kind of shit. Posting stuff from Stalinists at this point and I don't know what to do.
Me and another friend still believe there's a chance to persuade him out of this bullshit like we've done with other toxic views of his in the past. So with that in mind we'd like to give a good college try to keep him from this shite, but... well, we're socialists. Division of labor. Otherwise we're stuck diving through such garbage bins as "The Espresso Stalinist" all on our lonesome to refute points. Ain't nobody got time for that shit all on their lonesome. I have an imgur album containing full screengrabs of this conversation if anybody's interested.
And if he's not a socialist, what would you call him?
Maybe If he learns what Stalin made with the communists that opposed him?
Or show him other shit Stalin made that isnt holodomor (that he refuses to believe), maybe when he Understands that he made other shit he Will Understand that holodomor happened.
Or show him other shit Stalin made that isnt holodomor (that he refuses to believe), maybe when he Understands that he made other shit he Will Understand that holodomor happened.
Good idea, honestly. Maybe the whole "No, but for real, he murdered a whole shitload of people including other communists and anarchists" thing will maybe help sway things.
He believes that a) the famine was primarily a natural occurrence and that b) the Soviet Union's relief efforts after the famine had hit were uniform in their application across all territories. That is, that Ukraine got as much aid in the resulting famine as, say, Russia and the death tolls were comparable.
If that were the case I don't see why tallies of those killed in the famine would have to be classified until 1983.
Yeah the tack I would take here is not to engage on the issue of the Holodomor at all and shift the focus of the conversation to "so just what about Stalin do you think actually is worth defending?"
Maybe not those particular words or he will get defensive, but since Stalinist Russia wasn't meaningfully communist and not really meaningfully socialist get him to actually articulate what he does think was worthwhile. He might not be able to.
Maybe not those particular words or he will get defensive, but since Stalinist Russia wasn't meaningfully communist and not really meaningfully socialist get him to actually articulate what he does think was worthwhile. He might not be able to.
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Honestly the Wikipedia articles on the Holodomor and Soviet famine of 32-33 are pretty fair and descriptive. Normally I would say start him there, but I get the feeling he's already seen those and dismissed the cited sources as bourgeois propaganda.
Ask him what he thinks of the NKVD's national operations. He'll probably just blame it on Yezhov.
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All famines are man made.
Russia's "relief" to the Ukraine may have been equal to others, but the amount of goods and foodstuffs that they were removing from the region was significantly higher.
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Saw this on Reddit
Russia's "relief" to the Ukraine may have been equal to others, but the amount of goods and foodstuffs that they were removing from the region was significantly higher.
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I got told I was looking for a strong man like Stalin and Mao to take away all the guns this morning in another thread because I said that even an anarcho-socialist like myself could see the need for gun control. I think of it as the way you know that you've made it as a socialist. We started at the bottom, and now we're here-- getting accused of adoring and being like some of history's worst mass murderers because we don't think people should have to work to prove they deserve to exist.
why are you posting bourgeois memesAll famines are man made.
Russia's "relief" to the Ukraine may have been equal to others, but the amount of goods and foodstuffs that they were removing from the region was significantly higher.
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Doesn't seem bougie to me. Anarchists in communities I've been in tend to call the Soviet Union a state capitalist institution for the reasons discussed in the comic, and the Marxist Leninist tendency to destroy its opposition even when that opposition was fundamentally anti-capitalist seems to reinforce the fundamental fact that MLs were, in fact, authoritarian over all ideological concerns. Furthermore, we were just talking about the Holodomor and how the Soviets kinda... kinda really fucked the Ukranians. It's not called a genocide for nothing. That's not the sort of discourse you'd get out of a critic of the Soviet Union who wasn't a fellow-socialist.
All memes are bourgeois.
But that doesn't mean it isn't dead on correct.
Capitalist Social Democracy through the barrel of a gun is still capitalism.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-43414527
"A Brazilian politician who was an outspoken critic of police violence and the deployment of the army into poor neighbourhoods of Rio de Janeiro has been killed in a drive-by shooting.
Marielle Franco, 38, was a Rio city councillor for the left-wing Socialism and Liberty Party."
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"Police officials said it appeared Ms Franco had been deliberately targeted."
Fascists are celebrating her death in social media.
"A Brazilian politician who was an outspoken critic of police violence and the deployment of the army into poor neighbourhoods of Rio de Janeiro has been killed in a drive-by shooting.
Marielle Franco, 38, was a Rio city councillor for the left-wing Socialism and Liberty Party."
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"Police officials said it appeared Ms Franco had been deliberately targeted."
Fascists are celebrating her death in social media.
Yeah Eylos I saw this on Twitter as well. Just after giving a talk on lethal police violence even. Her activism was inspiring to many, it seems, but it's so extremely sad and depressing how this happens and people get away with it (and the moderates remain silent). Incredibly disheartening. I'm not sure what to do as an activist myself when the opposition has weapons and the willingness to use them, while the society we live in implicitly work in tandem with the fascists because the status quo is preferable to them. How can we even begin to guard ourselves or build resistance without this very physical and mental threat that the enamored fascists use against anyone who dares criticize their power? Movement building and organizing of course, but when you're being targeted and followed, the situation becomes a million times worse.
It's a difficult question and it's saddening to hear this has happened. To me it's a question whose importance extends beyond just immediate safety into how socialists should interact with illegalist principles. I mean, after all, we've just established that society implicitly endorses these fascist actions against us. So is the answer to fight back beyond the means of the law? I don't think so, except in the most blatant cases of self-defense possible. Which won't really help us in times like these when someone just gets killed in an out-of-nowhere drive-by. Retaliating directly to these sorts of attacks opens a movement up to further reprisals by the establishment; we saw this with dudes like Fred Hampton in the United States. The existence of programs like COINTELPRO are also worth considering. Maybe Brazil doesn't have one, but maybe it does-- and if it does, then it's well-documented that plants will try to spur people to violent action as a way to entrap them. Consequently, since leveraging major force against the status quo requires a tremendous amount of movement building and organizing, it follows that there's a large period of time where a movement becomes larger and more organized during which it becomes a target for the establishment to dismantle. And fascist groups, while being fringe, can often count on the tacit support of the establishment when they make moves against radical organizations to this end.
Subsequently, the only solution that I can come up with is one I have a hard time conceiving of how to actually put into practice. Namely, the structures through which we organize and build a movement need to escape the notice of organizations until they've reached a sufficient critical mass that they can ensure the safety of its constituent individuals. Lines of support and means of organizing votes should be built that aren't noticed by either fascists or the status quo that strengthen the movement. I don't really have many ideas on how such a task could actually be done though.
I Hope its not about the woman that died because, that martyr leader activist sacrifice thing on the article would be something of bad taste to say about her. She was killed because of state of exception (probably by police) not self sacrifice for a cause, she Worked in the slums mostly with the people and helped them not for the commie party victory on an election.
If Its not Its a good critic, But there's no proposition to Change for what, and with that results nothing. Do nothing and accept the inevitable fall of capitalism, while it crushes and kills people, one day people Will see the light and stop being racist, sexist, authoritarian, anti-comunists and embrace communism.
But the topic has come up so why not address it. and while my opinion and the opinion of the piece is "dismissive", the assassination of an ally doesn't spell the end of a movement, or even the wounding of it. The revolution isn't the individual. The revolution is the class and it will continue.
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Yeah, i agree with you. But the article makes a good critic on the Action or the method. But what do you believe it would be a better way or solution to the problem?
I think it's a mistake to propose a model that requires moral superiority. Violent action and nonviolent resistance are tools to be used in the service of revolution, not ideals in and of themselves. Which tool works better for the particular job and which provides better risk versus reward? For workers where both are too risky, sabotage is also an option.
The main point is that the revolution cannot require a moral transformation unlikely to occur within the capitalist mode of production or the moral assumptions it lionizes.
The main point is that the revolution cannot require a moral transformation unlikely to occur within the capitalist mode of production or the moral assumptions it lionizes.
Activism is catharsis for the individual, and if that's their coping mechanism and they're welcome to do it but shouldn't let it lead them to have a superiority complex or identify as an "activist".
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