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The Academy Award Winning Marvel Cinematic Universe
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Another hot take, Winter Soldier isn't the best Marvel Film anymore, honestly it's not 2014 anymore. WS is the typical good guy wins after defeating the villain during a 3rd act cgi extravaganza, just like every other movie. Folks gas it up just because it made cap 'cool'.
Writing wise Civil War fucking runs circles around it.
Writing wise Civil War fucking runs circles around it.
Writing/plot-wise Civil War is better than Winter Soldier, but that doesn't make it the better movie. WS overall is a little bit better. That movie still stands as the best entry in the MCU, followed by Civil War and Guardians 2.
Doctor Strange is a thoroughly pedestrian origin story elevated by an overqualified supporting cast, some cool third-act twists, and the best effects work in the entire franchise to date.
How is this a hot take? Civil War is the best written Marvel movie. It also has the best action scene (airport battle) and the most emotional one by a mile (Cap & Bucky vs Tony). It also introduced Black Panther and Spidey without them being shoehorned and gave us the first MCU villain that not only survives his movie, but also was still breathing when it ended.
What Civil War accomplished was nothing short of amazing.
But it's not bad enough to say it caused superhero fatigue though. And it's better than Guardians 2.
Nah, Guardians 2 is definitely better. It has some problems (overusing the "dramatic moment undercut by gag" trope, an overlong CG-orgy climax involving more evil universe-destroying blue energy), but it earns and executes its emotional beats better than most MCU films, including the first GOTG.
Thor 2, Iron Man 2, and Ant-Man are all next to Doctor Strange in "crappy MCU movie" tier. Like, they're still all decent blockbusters - Disney doesn't really make "bad movies" - but they're all pretty formulaic paint-by-numbers stuff. Michael Douglas doing a damn fine job as Hank Pym is the only thing that gives it a heads up over Strange... if they gave Mikkelsen some half-decent material maybe it'd be worthwhile.
And Wonder Woman and Black Panther are both movies that fall apart at the end. Way better "worlds" than films, honestly. They shoot for interesting ideas and themes but undercut them with their big orgy of CGI violence finales. Like, cool, we have a moral split between T'Challa and Killmonger, what is the role of a king, what's the responsibility of a nation, oh you're just gonna slash at each other for 15 minutes, okay, I guess that's fine too.
I guess I'll give Strange credit for not just, you know, having him magic punch Dormammu for the last 10% of the movie. Still a bit underwhelming but it was a good idea, at least.
And GOTG2 is the best MCU movie so far, even if it's full of jokes that don't land and stretch on five times as long as they need to.
GOTG2 > GOTG > First Avenger > Avengers > Everything Else
I still get chills when seeing Yondu get the Ravager's Funeral. Kraglin's reaction almost brought a tear to my eye tbh. Only problem I had with GOTG was no Nova Corps at all, I want to see the Human Rocket appear one day and If they get no love at all then I don't ever see him showing up. I always hated that Gunn didn't want Richard to show up because he wanted Peter to be the only earthling, it was stupid because even if he was the only earthling he looked exactly the same as many of the "aliens". You think anyone thought Nova Prime (Glenn Close) looked like an alien at all?
I loved the story in GotG Vol. II but the humor was really, really irritating to me. A prime example being the dialogue about Rocket hiding one of Drax's turds in Quill's bed. I don't even like typing that out. The actual story, visuals and music made the movie a fantastic adventure, though. I'll never not see Kurt Russel driving in a classic, baby blue Mustang when I hear this song now.
Watched Iron Man 3 (still the best in the trilogy) and the pilot of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. in my marathon. Starting The Dark World now.
The Dark World is frustrating because it improved on the first Thor in some ways. I think the visuals are overall a bit more imaginative at times and Asgard actually feels like a place people live. The opening scenes with Thor at the dinner with everyone is nice.
It also has Frigga's funeral, which is a really nice scene.
But then there is Jane randomly coming across the Aether herself, which is really quite a large coincidence. And I hate what they did with Selvig, turning him into a joke character by running around naked. No, it would have been more satisfying seeing him actually deal with the trauma from The Avengers in a more serious fashion. Not as a joke.
And of course, the least developed Big Bad in the MCU.
It's just a frustrating movie. It isn't terrible. Terrible is Suicide Squad and the Fantastic Four reboot. It just had so much more potential.
The Dark World is frustrating because it improved on the first Thor in some ways. I think the visuals are overall a bit more imaginative at times and Asgard actually feels like a place people live. The opening scenes with Thor at the dinner with everyone is nice.
It also has Frigga's funeral, which is a really nice scene.
But then there is Jane randomly coming across the Aether herself, which is really quite a large coincidence. And I hate what they did with Selvig, turning him into a joke character by running around naked. No, it would have been more satisfying seeing him actually deal with the trauma from The Avengers in a more serious fashion. Not as a joke.
And of course, the least developed Big Bad in the MCU.
It's just a frustrating movie. It isn't terrible. Terrible is Suicide Squad and the Fantastic Four reboot. It just had so much more potential.
Rewatched Iron Man 2, 3 and Winter Soldier. Both Iron Man movies are underrated and I absolutely do not understand how some straight up hate 3. I love the twist and the ending fight with all the suits. It's wonderful.
And yeah, Winter Soldier might be the best one. It's just so well made with a fantastic pace. It also has the best fight choreography. I completely forgot about that.
The fanboy in me prefers Civil War and GOTG as the two best ones though. I personally just like them more. They're more my style.
And yeah, Winter Soldier might be the best one. It's just so well made with a fantastic pace. It also has the best fight choreography. I completely forgot about that.
The fanboy in me prefers Civil War and GOTG as the two best ones though. I personally just like them more. They're more my style.
I actually wanted to say "the only MCU villain that not only accomplished his goal in his movie, but also was still breathing when it ended", but I guess my brain failed.
Unlike Zemo.
Oh and idk if i'd put CW over TWS but Tony vs Cap and Bucky is the best fight in all of the MCU for me because it was so emotional. We rarely or ever see Tony angry, he was like terminator there as he just kept coming. Could've killed Steve numerous times if he wanted to.
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Cap and Bucky vs Tony is an emotional scene, yes. But the airport scene is not a good action scene. Amd although BP isn't shoehorned in, Spidey definitely is.
Cap and Bucky vs Tony is an emotional scene, yes. But the airport scene is not a good action scene. Amd although BP isn't shoehorned in, Spidey definitely is.
Tbh I dont know why cape movies do that 3rd act punchout shit. Even Dark Knight kinda did it, why not have them talk and do it that way?
Ill give Killmonger a pass considering he was better developed than t'challa. And he got sent out like an OG.
Ill give Killmonger a pass considering he was better developed than t'challa. And he got sent out like an OG.
Because these are action movies, and action movies (almost) always end with the hero fighting the villain. This is not an exclusively superhero trend.
At that point, I wanted him to eviscerate Bucky. Didn't give a fuck if he was brainwashed or not, You don't kill someone else's mother.
Civil War is my favourite MCU movie because of exactly this. I was mostly Team Cap up until this line.
That or he successfully survives the big battles of Avengers 3 and 4 and the defeat of Thanos, then drops dead of a heart attack.
There's a nice new image of Wasp doing some flying and kicking in the latest Empire issue but it's a scan so I guess I can't post it.
There's also a bunch of Infinity War images in Empire and scans are out, but they don't show much we haven't seen in the trailer already.
There's also a bunch of Infinity War images in Empire and scans are out, but they don't show much we haven't seen in the trailer already.
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Black Panther
> villain is an evil black panther
Logan
> villain is an evil Logan
Wonder Woman
> villain is an evil Wonder Woman
Stop this shit.
> villain is an evil black panther
Logan
> villain is an evil Logan
Wonder Woman
> villain is an evil Wonder Woman
Stop this shit.
Please elaborate on this point. I'm genuinely curious.
The main criticism I'd make is the same one you can make of any Marvel-Disney action scene (and many other companies too, let's be fair), that they have to edit it in such a way you can't see any of the action clearly because the actors can't do the stunts properly. None of those stars are going to risk the broken noses, torn ligaments, busted ribs, etc. etc. you can get filming 'proper' action sequences. The second major criticism I'd make is that the scene's 'big moments' are all CG fests of trucks flying through the air and so on, which I don't find interesting visually (other people can, that's fine). And there are all the quips that make the scene more comedic than action-y. And frankly, the movie seems to prioritize the quips over the action (imagine if the sound was as unclear as the visuals in some places).
If I had to pick the best action scene in a comic book movie, I'd pick Batman's warehouse fight in BvS. Although that's not anywhere close to what I'd pick for a best fight scene in a movie (it does have Scott Adkins, though, very briefly!).
These takes never make a lick of sense.
"I wanted Bucky dead right then. Who cares if he was brainwashed?!"
Nigga, what? Lmfao
Hawkeye gets no freepass from me.
Also if you could say well the brainwash thing frees them of any guilt than Cap is the most evil in Civil War by appearently knowing of it and not telling Tony.
People just want to eventually be right. If fatigue ever happens, all these folks will take pleasure in saying "I told you so".
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