For me absolutely nothing regarding Kylo is ever obvious no matter what he says. I did NOT think Snoke was going in this one, so yeah, it surprised the hell out of me the first time I saw it.
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Rian Johnson says the reaction to TLJ will have no affect on his upcoming SW Trilogy
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For me absolutely nothing regarding Kylo is ever obvious no matter what he says. I did NOT think Snoke was going in this one, so yeah, it surprised the hell out of me the first time I saw it.
TLJ is a bad Star Wars movie, But an okay sci-fi movie. The franchise as a whole had an identity crisis and Disney abusing it to fail at selling toys doesn' help.
The new Star Trek movies have the same problems.
The new Star Trek movies have the same problems.
Star Trek 2009 and Beyond are two of the best Star Trek movies tho... (Into Darkness can eat a dick)
I'm not surprised, he always comes across as a very nice guy and is probably easy to work with, but there's no denying TLJ is a divisive film, and I would bet good money that has had more of an impact on the gross than many of the people that loved the film may want to admit.
Sure they can. They're always interested in making more money. If they have reason to believe the divisive nature of the film made them miss out on enough additional revenue they'll likely reconsider, or exert more pressure on RJ to make changes he may not want to make, thus leading to them going their separate ways - which is what I think will happen.
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Makes literally zero sense. As both Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm operate as their own subsidiaries. In the same report structure.
Man I get that people don't know how any of this works but the ignorance is painful all the same.
Anyway, people use Disney in SW conversations like it's a dirty word and like Mickey Mouse wrote and directed the films
I just wanted to chime in with Numbers™ again in order to dispute another idea that's popped up in the last couple pages: that TLJ had poor legs after its opening. The Last Jedi actually had legs better than, or on par with, all of the big front-loaded fanboy event movies in the last couple years. It has a 2.8 multiplier ($619 million domestic total divided by $220 million opening weekend = 2.8). In the two years between TFA and TLJ, the only big fanboy blockbusters that I found in my research with better legs than TLJ have been Fantastic Beasts (3.1 multiplier), Rogue One (3.4 multiplier) and Wonder Woman (4.0 multiplier). Even the mega-hit Black Panther "only" has a 3.0 multiplier. This is where the industry is going to continue moving as films become more and more front-loaded.
As far as TLJ not outgrossing or coming near TFA's total, I mean, there's not much to say there. TFA is a once in a generation event. By definition you can only have one "first Star Wars movie in a decade." Rogue One, TLJ, Solo, and Episode IX are just another movie competing in the marketplace with everybody else.
As far as TLJ not outgrossing or coming near TFA's total, I mean, there's not much to say there. TFA is a once in a generation event. By definition you can only have one "first Star Wars movie in a decade." Rogue One, TLJ, Solo, and Episode IX are just another movie competing in the marketplace with everybody else.
And one could just as easily say the opposite. Just because you don't personally like something doesn't mean your view is the objective truth of the universe. People are free to like or dislike movies for any number of reasons, major or minor.
I personally loved TLJ. I loved Luke's very human portrayal and how it tied into one of the movie's themes, that of failure, and how one handles it, for instance. I loved the movie's focus on the more spiritual side of the Force, and how Luke used that to overcome a threat of raw power. I also loved how close everything came to falling apart, yet Hope still being maintained in the end.
Man the first night in the spoiler thread if you didn't like it you were
A. Sexest
B. Manchild
- told to get over the past regardless of anything you could possibly say
It honestly hurt my opinion of the movie even further because couldn't even have legitimate discussions on it while it was still fresh.
I don't remember there being anyone called sexist or a man child for simply saying they disliked the movie.
Usually if those labels come out it's for specific reasons.
Hell, I said I didn't like it when I first saw it.
I think a lot of the divisiveness about TLJ comes from expectations people had about characters from the previous films, and plot points from TFA specifically. The new trilogy won't have any where near as much of that weight put on it.
That's good. It really shouldn't have any affect on his own story because IMO, Last Jedi felt more creative and interesting when it wasn't focused on the Skywalker story arc, which really made me excited when I heard he had his own plans for a new trilogy.
You don't even know what it is that you're refusing to see and calling shit
I'm not sure how criticism of TLJ could even affect his future trilogy that much, even if he did listen and latch on to every word of it. The reasons I and others(?) were disappointed in TLJ, were based off things he did with established characters and lore and how he continued the story.
As someone who was kinda crushed by TLJ, I can't say it was a "bad movie" It's just that personally, to me, it was a bad next chapter in the saga. It gave me nothing I wanted or hoped for, and instead was everything I was afraid it would be.
Considering his new trilogy will be an entirely new story, separated from past characters and events, there is nothing he could really change based off TLJ criticism and a lot less of a chance of pissing off fans. Who knows, I might even really like his new movies.
As someone who was kinda crushed by TLJ, I can't say it was a "bad movie" It's just that personally, to me, it was a bad next chapter in the saga. It gave me nothing I wanted or hoped for, and instead was everything I was afraid it would be.
Considering his new trilogy will be an entirely new story, separated from past characters and events, there is nothing he could really change based off TLJ criticism and a lot less of a chance of pissing off fans. Who knows, I might even really like his new movies.
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If anything, the divisiveness of TLJ probably helped it. It's such a hot topic online everyone has to see for themselves what all the arguing is about.
I really doubt there are many people that were going to see it but decided not to because of divisive audience reactions.
I really doubt there are many people that were going to see it but decided not to because of divisive audience reactions.
Although I know a few people who said they weren't seeing it because all their friends hated it.
I have a friend who doesn't want to see it because "he heard mixed things from YT".
It's infuriating. He thinks YT hive bubble is real life and takes its "word" over me who he's known for decades. xD
There was actually one guy in a TLJ thread who was criticizing the movie then later revealed that he hadn't actually seen it but read the plot summary. Said he didn't want to give them money for what they did to Luke
If they consider the movie good, it's Lucasfilm. If they consider it bad, it's disney. Same goes for Marvel, but those movies aren't old enough to have OT like fans.
Ok, back up, I get liking the cinematography of Rogue One (I did too), but how in the living hells is TFA's spacecraft battles "better" than TLJ's? TFA's space battles were god awful. They are unclear, unfocused, and completely lacking in structure. Hell, any of JJ Abram's action scenes suffer from this. TLJ had not only some great shots but I could follow every move easily. That alone puts it miles ahead of whatever JJ Abram does.
You don't like the movie. Congratulations. Now stop pretending that you are the only opinion worth keeping.
Considering how much The Last Jedi has been discussed on this forum, I'm curious if any TLJ threads have had a poll asking people where they would rank TLJ among the eight Star Wars episodes. Something like the following:
Where do you rank The Last Jedi out of the mainline Star Wars films?
-First or Second
-Third or Fourth
-Fifth or Sixth
-Seventh or Eigth
Where do you rank The Last Jedi out of the mainline Star Wars films?
-First or Second
-Third or Fourth
-Fifth or Sixth
-Seventh or Eigth
Ehhhhh come on, the Jakku escape and final duel were shot wonderfully.
Why? Is just an opinion posted on a gaming forum about a movie about a bunch of spaceman shooting lasers at each other. Not a biggie my dude.
Didn't liked the movie and I haven't seen a compelling argument of why some people liked it.
i dunno, kathleen has had no problem throwing her weight around with other directors, if she didn't like what was going on in TLJ i feel like she wold have axed it quick
but i dunno
EDIT: but i guess that lucasfilm and not disney
sometimes i get confused about who is in control of what
You haven't seen a compelling argument because you don't agree with anything positive as you didn't like the movie so much you think it's a *mystery* as to how people could like it.
If you don't understand how ridiculous this is, there's no point in even bothering.
Nah what I meant is
There's not a chance in hell that a TLJ created by suits instead of RJ would have resulted in a broken and defeated Luke Skywalker saying "I came to this island to die".
Zero chance.
Kathleen saw a good story crafted by RJ and was intelligent enough to back him on it even if it was risky.
And yet, you made this post:
I'm getting conflicting messages here. It's either not a biggie or one of the biggest biggies.
You should watch the making of documentary as well as the director commentary of the film. Because it's literally the exact opposite.
- "It's time for the Jedi to end" wasn't the line that Johnson had written. His own was more convoluted and less concise, but when the marketing team cut the trailer and shortened it he loved it. He went back and edited the film to match.
-Rose Tico was originally more of a "grumpy Eeyore type," but once they cast Kelly Marie Tran in the role her infectious spirit took over leading him to re-write some of her scenes.
-He sat down for conversations with several people after accepting the job, from Lawrence Kasdan to J.J. Abrams, but he also spent a couple weeks hanging out with Rick Carter who's "kind of an unseen Yoda" on these films. "If you know Rick, you know that when you're talking with him about story you aren't talking about action scenes, set-pieces, toys… you're talking about what matters to you in the story, you're talking about the mythic stuff behind it all." It was important that he received the "permission" to start there with the film, and he credits Carter with essentially giving his blessing.
-Del Toro suggested his closing line be "maybe," and Johnson immediately swapped out what he had written and went with it.
- They had discussed what Captain Phasma's (Gwendoline Christie) exposed eye should look like when her helmet is busted, and it was Ridley who suggested it should be "normal, just like a beautiful eye." Johnson loved the idea of it not being something monstrous or deformed.
-"It felt like church on set" on the day they filmed the scene with Fisher and Hamill. She added the hair joke, and he added the kiss on her forehead.
Him not being responsive to angry nerds who care more about lore explanations than themes doesn't mean he's not open to reasonable feedback.
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The final duel works because of the emotion behind it but I still think it's shot poorly. Jakku escape also doesn't do anything for me. Even then, I still place R1 and TLJ cinematography above TFA.
That people should have to prove why they like something just because you don't is pretty ridiculous.
Good. The Last Jedi was a fucking amazing movie and I'm glad that nerds haven't discouraged him.
You get a lot of lunatics tanking the poll by rating it dead last and talking about the good old days of jar jar.
Rose is the worst character this side of Jar Jar stepping in poodoo.
Aren't they pandering to fans who hated the prequels though with the Disney Star Wars films...?
No? Darth Vader lives in Mustafar. TLJ talked about Darth Sidious and the events of the prequels, shots from Episode III were referenced.
Absolutely no way. Those scenes look amazing. I think TLJ is a better movie but TFA is also great with extremely well shot scenes. I think it has some of the best shots in the series.