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riotous

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People who are bit tend to die way faster than from a normal wound. In fact someone getting bit by a normal person wouldn't die like that. The thinking is, you simulate a bite without the person realizing it and then when everyone goes back, there's a sudden huge outbreak of new zombies inside their compound rather than outside. It's a way of sneaking a bunch of zombies inside. So you infect a few, to create a bigger problem.
But as discussed above, the blood doesn't carry that infection (the bite one.)
 

riotous

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I don't recall this being established as fact let alone that everyone knows this even if it is true. This is an actual plot point from the comics.
If it's not fact then the entire TV universe is even more ridiculous than I can handle. In Fear TWD covering yourself head to toe in blood is practically done every episode and has been used in TWD before, not to mention no one ever caring at all about the endless zombie blood they get on them when they kill zombie.

As mentioned above I'm pretty sure it's just an idea Negan has after Gabriel gets really sick after they used the zombie blood cammo trick to escape that trailer. He's not zombie bite sick but the blood made him deathly ill.
 

Darknight

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If it's not fact then the entire TV universe is even more ridiculous than I can handle. In Fear TWD covering yourself head to toe in blood is practically done every episode and has been used in TWD before, not to mention no one ever caring at all about the endless zombie blood they get on them when they kill zombie.

As mentioned above I'm pretty sure it's just an idea Negan has after Gabriel gets really sick after they used the zombie blood cammo trick to escape that trailer. He's not zombie bite sick but the blood made him deathly ill.

No something else gives Negan the idea in the show. I believe it was something that Dwight said if I recall correctly.

As for the blood, covering yourself with it isn't the same thing as it getting inside you from an open wound. This is true in real life. So saying they use it to cover themselves as proof or being inconsistent isn't proof at all.

Edit: Here, look at the details on how you can contract HIV:

HIV Must Get Into the Bloodstream
It is not enough to be in contact with an infected fluid for HIV to be transmitted. Healthy, intact skin does not allow HIV to get into the body.

HIV can enter through an open cut or sore
 
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True, good point, but a comic takes 5-10 minutes to read whereas we are at 50 hours+ of it on the show now.

It can end up feeling pretty long in the comics too though because it only releases monthly. The Negan arc in the comics
is going on 6 years now.
 

riotous

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Darknight : I know how blood based disease transmission works; I didn't say it was proof of anything, I gave my opinion on how patently ridiculous it would be to introduce "zombie blood can give you the infection" after years of witnessing no one giving a care in the world about zombie blood getting on them.
 

Nemo

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...walking-dead-its-not-even-funny/#6a791a45465c

This makes me really excited for Fear S4.

TWD just pisses me off at this point. Yeah lets put 2 plot armored guys in yet another pointless scuffle together while they do love taps to eachother. There were other ways they could've had Negan find out about the Scavengers. Hell, they didn't even need that whole Rick & Negan bullshit, he could've just found out from Jadis based on what heppened at the end.
 

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Negan has overstayed his welcome and that's putting it mildly - I'm sick of this plotline and I think it ruined the show for good. The Governor was a 10x better and more competent villain.
 

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...walking-dead-its-not-even-funny/#6a791a45465c

This makes me really excited for Fear S4.

TWD just pisses me off at this point. Yeah lets put 2 plot armored guys in yet another pointless scuffle together while they do love taps to eachother. There were other ways they could've had Negan find out about the Scavengers. Hell, they didn't even need that whole Rick & Negan bullshit, he could've just found out from Jadis based on what heppened at the end.

Yep. Fear S3 is way better than the last few seasons of the main show. Hopefully S4 improves even further. Would be interesting to see if FEAR could eventually overtake the ratings of the old show.
 

Darknight

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Darknight : I know how blood based disease transmission works; I didn't say it was proof of anything, I gave my opinion on how patently ridiculous it would be to introduce "zombie blood can give you the infection" after years of witnessing no one giving a care in the world about zombie blood getting on them.

Because it was established early on that having it on your skin was okay. I don't see that as a problem. It's only now being thought of as a method to weaponize it. Again, I don't see the problem with that either. Both elements were established plot points in the comics too. It's only now being thought of as a weapon because they're at war and things have gotten more out of hand than anticipated. Nothing in the show as far as I've seen has somehow made this an inconsistency.
 

riotous

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Because it was established early on that having it on your skin was okay. I don't see that as a problem. It's only now being thought of as a method to weaponize it. Again, I don't see the problem with that either. Both elements were established plot points in the comics too. It's only now being thought of as a weapon because they're at war and things have gotten more out of hand than anticipated. Nothing in the show as far as I've seen has somehow made this an inconsistency.
You avoid infected blood splatter IRL because of your eyeballs and the chance of other entry points. While the risk of infection from any given blood splatter is low that doesn't mean you cover yourself head to do in infected blood with no worry. It's preposterous to me if they introduce the idea that zombie blood can give you "the infection."

Someone else was the one who said that was established; I assumed they were right considering all we've seen of how no one cares about zombie blood.
 

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Shane cut his hand open in Season 2 with a knife that was previously used to stab walkers.

So unless they specifically say you can get infected via blood to blood transmission (which doesn't really make any sense because the zombies don't need nor have a functional circulatory system), then as it stands you don't get infected from blood.
 

Nameless

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Negan choosing to go unarmed instead of cheating on Lucille with a lead pipe, and later tackling someone into a room full of Walkers to save Lucille's life was amazing. Hopefully she recovers from what have to be second or third degree burns.

Also Carl was my boy, but can we please stop discussing his words & world view with great reverence like he's Marcus Aurelius?
 

Darknight

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You avoid infected blood splatter IRL because of your eyeballs and the chance of other entry points. While the risk of infection from any given blood splatter is low that doesn't mean you cover yourself head to do in infected blood with no worry. It's preposterous to me if they introduce the idea that zombie blood can give you "the infection."

Someone else was the one who said that was established; I assumed they were right considering all we've seen of how no one cares about zombie blood.

Just because Nick does something stupid without considering the risks doesn't mean everyone doesn't factor in the risks. In fact in the beginning of the Walking Dead they point this out when they made sure to not get it on their skin or in your eyes and to keep it on the raincoats.

Shane cut his hand open in Season 2 with a knife that was previously used to stab walkers.

So unless they specifically say you can get infected via blood to blood transmission (which doesn't really make any sense because the zombies don't need nor have a functional circulatory system), then as it stands you don't get infected from blood.

But how does Negan know that Shane cut his hand with a knife that was used to stab walkers on it and was fine? Negan doesn't even know who Shane is.
 

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I find it highly doubtful that people have open wounds that walker blood has not gotten into with all the fighting and shit they do. This is a really stupid plot point to just be exploring now.
 
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...walking-dead-its-not-even-funny/#6a791a45465c

This makes me really excited for Fear S4.

TWD just pisses me off at this point. Yeah lets put 2 plot armored guys in yet another pointless scuffle together while they do love taps to eachother. There were other ways they could've had Negan find out about the Scavengers. Hell, they didn't even need that whole Rick & Negan bullshit, he could've just found out from Jadis based on what heppened at the end.

Yep. Fear S3 is way better than the last few seasons of the main show. Hopefully S4 improves even further. Would be interesting to see if FEAR could eventually overtake the ratings of the old show.
I gave up FEAR just past the half way point of S3. I didn't think it was better than TWD in the slightest. That ranch / native stand-off storyline was awful and the characters on FEAR aren't nearly as interesting as some on TWD. That could be due to the time I've spent with TWD characters though.

That article shows Morgan joining FEAR which could pull me back in. Since FEAR is way before TWD I'm curious how they bring him in... is this between the time he first met Rick and when he went crazy? The other cast additions look interesting too so I'll watch the season premiere for sure.
 

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I gave up FEAR just past the half way point of S3. I didn't think it was better than TWD in the slightest. That ranch / native stand-off storyline was awful and the characters on FEAR aren't nearly as interesting as some on TWD. That could be due to the time I've spent with TWD characters though.

That article shows Morgan joining FEAR which could pull me back in. Since FEAR is way before TWD I'm curious how they bring him in... is this between the time he first met Rick and when he went crazy? The other cast additions look interesting too so I'll watch the season premiere for sure.

Yeah, to me twd has pretty much been garbage tv since like season 5. Season 3 of fear was great imo with far more complicated and better developed characters than anything going on on twd for the last several seasons. Either they will have to do a time jump on fear or yeah it will be during the time Morgan was MIA for a bit.

Honestly though the main show has been developing at such a glacial pace for the last several seasons I don't think it would be that hard to just merge the timelines lol. In terms of distance traveled you could argue the fear crew has gone further and we don't really know how long they've been at each encampment. You could actually argue there's just been some pretty big time jumps that already happened at the hotel, the stadium, the ranch, the dam, etc. Like if they spent months or even years at each spot it wouldn't be that hard to just write in some dialog to merge the timelines. With the bullshit the main show gets away with as far as almost no time going by for the last 2 plus seasons and cars just magically working after sitting for 4 years I don't see why fear can't just do a time skip.

Seasons 1 and 2 of fear we're straight up terrible though.
 
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Just because Nick does something stupid without considering the risks doesn't mean everyone doesn't factor in the risks. In fact in the beginning of the Walking Dead they point this out when they made sure to not get it on their skin or in your eyes and to keep it on the raincoats.



But how does Negan know that Shane cut his hand with a knife that was used to stab walkers on it and was fine? Negan doesn't even know who Shane is.

Why does he have to know? The show showed that it's not blood borne, what does that have to do with Negan being wrong on how the infection works?

If you coat your weapon with years old bodily fluid, organs and decaying organic matter, any wound that is created by it is going to be infected. That infection is going to most likely cause sepsis, which in turn kills anyone who isn't properly treated, and even those who are treated can die even in modern hospitals.
 

Darknight

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Why does he have to know? The show showed that it's not blood borne, what does that have to do with Negan being wrong on how the infection works?

If you coat your weapon with years old bodily fluid, organs and decaying organic matter, any wound that is created by it is going to be infected. That infection is going to most likely cause sepsis, which in turn kills anyone who isn't properly treated, and even those who are treated can die even in modern hospitals.

I didn't say he couldn't be wrong; I'm saying his act of doing it isn't unreasonable.
 

Quazar

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I've been enjoying the episodes for the most parts. The criticisms are valid though. I've also started Fear finally and midway season 2. Liking fear better admittedly.
 

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What the hell is this then?

I should come back here and wait for you. You'd show up with beer and pretzels. You remember that? I know. You probably don't. You always said that when we started dating, you forgot to tell me you had a shitty memory. You used to get so frustrated by it knowing you wouldn't remember those good days, those special days. I felt bad for you. I remember you said there was so much you wanted to hold on to, and then it'd be gone. But you're lucky you don't remember things,

Then there was a scene with I think Simon and Dwight on a wall that basically said "hey sucks your wife is dead but you aren't going to remember anyway"
 

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The best death episode in the entire series was when they offed Lori and T-Dog without warning in Season 3, Episode 4.

Not a finale.
No overrun.
No huge build up to hype things in advance of the episode's airing like "YOU CAN'T MISS THIS EPISODE OR ELSE".
Just decisive and deadly.

It's like they want to be Game Of Thrones but learn nothing from it
 

More_Badass

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ResetEra is bay FAR the most negative about this week's episode. Even AV Club was more positive.

AV Club.
I mean, between the ridiculous new group, the ridiculous elements in the Rick vs Negan fight, the ridiculous infected weapons plan considering what we've seen over the past eight seasons, the ridiculous elements of the car chase, the ridiculous plot developments like Jadis out of nowhere capturing Negan, the negativity is pretty deserved

Like the best thing you could say is that the plot finally moved along somewhat
 

Rehynn

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Wait, didn't Simon (or someone) see Dwight turn on the Saviors during the confrontation on the road after the Saviors got out of the Sanctuary?
 

Randroid

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I thought the Rick vs Negan-thing was pretty exciting in the moment but yeah. the more I think about it the dumber it gets. I do like how Rick is basically just dead inside besides one emotion and that is REVENGE. It makes no sense but it's pretty cool to see him so focused no that one goal.
 

Zoe

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That article shows Morgan joining FEAR which could pull me back in. Since FEAR is way before TWD I'm curious how they bring him in... is this between the time he first met Rick and when he went crazy? The other cast additions look interesting too so I'll watch the season premiere for sure.

Yeah, to me twd has pretty much been garbage tv since like season 5. Season 3 of fear was great imo with far more complicated and better developed characters than anything going on on twd for the last several seasons. Either they will have to do a time jump on fear or yeah it will be during the time Morgan was MIA for a bit.

It's definitely a time skip. Morgan already has his stick, so it's after that time with that guy. Then the Fear cast needs time to get from the West coast to Texas while Morgan needs to get from the East coast to Texas.
 

ZeoVGM

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That was a good episode.

Like, it was silly and over the top but at least it was entertaining. If the show just embraces being crazy like that more often, I'm down.
 

dean_rcg

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The problem i have with the Rick v Negan scenes is you just feel there's no chance of either dying so there's no drama.

While it was a slightly better episode than of late did anyone else think it was weirdly cut/edited? Why did they not show Rick ram Negan's car for instance?
 
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The problem i have with the Rick v Negan scenes is you just feel there's no chance of either dying so there's no drama.

While it was a slightly better episode than of late did anyone else think it was weirdly cut/edited? Why did they not show Rick ram Negan's car for instance?
Because filming stunts takes a lot of time and money.

The show is in this bad place right now of being both really dumb and really conservative. If it had the same bad writing as now but crazy shit was always happening, I'd be down. But we all know that they are more concerned with keeping the money train going as far as possible than anything else. It's the worst of both.
 

RadioHeadAche

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My spectrum program guide lists the episode as being two hours, which was ridiculous to me until I remembered that new AMC show follows TWD.
 

Hokahey

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Its crazy how much better the comic is. AMC never topped the very first episode in terms of matching the comic's greatness. I like the show, but I LOVE the comic. This should have really been on HBO or Netflix.

It's also crazy how sick of Negan everyone is considering how amazing he is in the comics. They play him all wrong on the show.

He should be big, dumb and crude.

It made it that much more powerful to see his humanity come out in the comics.

Also, the Saviors always seemed very Mad Max-ish to me in the comics. The TV show saviors look no different than everyone else.

Basically, the comic is alternately fun yet horrifying. The show is just...bland and corny. But I can't stop watching because I am way too curious to see what they do with the source material.
 

Hokahey

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This is complete nonsense. It would have been the exact same show, just with more 'fucks' and nudity.

I'm fascinated by this response. The production value would have been infinitely better on HBO if nothing else, which the show is desperately missing. More profanity would have painted a grittier picture and been more true to the comics. I'm not sure why there would have been more nudity considering I don't think there has really been any at all in the comics.
 
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I dont think HBO would force the writing staff to make each season be 16 episodes long so they could milk it even more; and I feel like they would have respected more Frank Darabont's vision (for better or worse)

Seasons are broken up into 8 episode chunks and it's up to the writers to make of that what they will. They could choose to tell more contained or concise stories but they usually choose to follow the comics' pacing instead.

Also, they might have stuck with Frank Darabont or they might not have. He's infamously difficult to work with and HBO doesn't always stick with their showrunners. And even if they did stick with him there's no guarantee the show would have been better or even as "good" as the version that we currently have.

Also also, HBO milks the fuck out of things too.

The production value would have been infinitely better on HBO if nothing else, which the show is desperately missing.

I feel like these "Every show would be better on HBO!" type of comments come from people who only watch the best of what HBO has to offer and ignore everything else they do.

Production value wise, the only thing TWD is missing is excellent direction (which has been the case for almost every episode except for the pilot) - what we've gotten instead is pretty standard cable fare. There is the occasional wonky CG effect, but other than that the production values are good.

More profanity would have painted a grittier picture and been more true to the comics.

There's already plenty of profanity on the show. I do agree that some scenes would have been enhanced with a "fuck" or two, but those instances could be counted on one hand.

I'm not sure why there would have been more nudity considering I don't think there has really been any at all in the comics.

It's HBO. It's what they do.

More 'fucks' alone would've made it better.

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