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Spades

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Nico worked his balls off to the point he had to immediately quit the sport.

He had the same machinery and a little bit of luck on top, but he won that Championship because he genuinely gave it 100%.

Totally agree with you.

I also have the utmost respect to him for calling it a day when he realised there is no way he could put that much into a season ever again. Kudos.
 

Djredline

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Positive start for McLaren.
Such a shame for haas as they were the most entertaining part of the race.
 

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Interesting race, funny seeing all the conspiracies on Twitter, I think it's brilliant they found a window and got a result for Vettel.

F1 needs less of these bullshit rules and needs to be more driver v driver, make it much more interesting.
 

Dan

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The more I think about today, the better the drive by LeClerc in the Sauber.

That car is not good.
 

DrM

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For Haas, that was human errors, both of them, according to the team. Both were cases of cross-threading wheelnuts (not properly angled while fastening), not on the same wheel/not the same mecanic for each case.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-blames-lack-of-practice-for-pitstop-blunders-1018839/
Pretty strange, teams usually train pit stops during the winter
As somebody commented under the article, the main problem was with releasing the car when mechanics signaled that something is wrong for both occasions.
 

Fredo

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Ferrari could afford to keep Vettel out because Magnussen held up Verstappen and created a massive gap up to the Ferraris. Vettel was not in range to jump Raikkonen and he was unchallenged from behind so they kept him out as a desperate strategy.

Hamilton came out of the pits demolishing Raikkonen. It seemed like he could easily have closed any gap to Vettel that was necessary but a room full of engineers got their calculations just wrong again. I'm referring to that time Hamilton build up a gap of 20+ seconds in Monaco and Mercedes pulled him in for a "free" pit stop only to see him come out third.
 

Dan

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I'm guessing they have complicated models they use in strategy and somehow something messed up (ie formula/macro-wise or the like). Maybe it was the VSC to SC that was the issue?

Also, smart strategy and quick thinking by Ferrari and Vettel helped too.
 
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It is probably the same software glitch that gave Lewis too much BHP in qualifying to create that instant .7s gap increase in party mode.
 

AlsoZ

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I suddenly remembered the "stopwatch failure" Nico had in 2016 that cost him several seconds.
Errors pop up in the weirdest places.
 

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I just watched the Paddock Pass post race thingie (thanks zeknurn), it is very enjoyable... i rank it highly compared to Ted's notebook, I am positively surprised for an official content piece.

Pretty strange, teams usually train pit stops during the winter
As somebody commented under the article, the main problem was with releasing the car when mechanics signaled that something is wrong for both occasions.

Yeah strange... it's bad luck combined with adrenalin rush and perhaps pit configuration not exactly like at the factory... one of the mechanics was gutted when Romain abandoned, he slammed the door, i guess he was the one we saw on photograph with Romain.
 

scorcho59

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So the rumours about Honda using new engines each day of practice weren't that far fetched after all... either that or STR has a crap gearbox HA!
 

MrKlaw

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Virtual safety car should kick in a speed limiter in the cars. It's crazy that you can game the system when the entire point is supposed to be neutralising any advantage and emphasising safety
 

nature boy

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Ok I'm confused.

Watched the highlights, Merc blaming software, but what difference would it have made if the software got it right? He was still adrift.

VSC just came at the right time for Vettel.
 

Dutch

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Oct 26, 2017
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Man, Vettel with a 100% win percentage this season.

The boys in red are well and truly back, boys!
 

ryodi

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Ok I'm confused.

Watched the highlights, Merc blaming software, but what difference would it have made if the software got it right? He was still adrift.

VSC just came at the right time for Vettel.

Lewis was driiving to target lap times set by Mercedes that they thought was enough to keep him ahead if there was a VSC. Their maths was wrong and the lap times he was given did not give him a big enough gap to cover the VSC which is why Vettel ended up in the lead.
 

Ty4on

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The more I think about today, the better the drive by LeClerc in the Sauber.

That car is not good.
I think the car is more hard to figure out. Ericsson at least said from Friday night they were able to tweak the car to be much better in quali which got him almost out of Q3 from being like a second behind before.
 

Moss

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I have to ask, why wasn't the safety car put out straight away? The car was clearly unable to be removed by the marshalls alone.

They really should close the pitlane during VSC periods.
 

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I'm having a hard time understanding Mercedes' software calculations. The current VSC system is fairly exploitable, as we've seen Vettel going on the very inside of the corners to have to make less road, bar the obvious fact he could speed in the lead-up to the pitlane. Why wasn't Hamilton pushing as much as possible during VSC if this is the case? I'm pretty sure they have their indicators on the steering wheel, so Hamilton could have also did Vettel's cornering trick to gain time, right? Maybe it would have not been enough to stay in front of Vettel, but he would have been closer at the very least. The VSC system is flawed, we knew this for years, Ferrari exploited it brilliantly, while Mercedes doesn't seem to have understood what's it about entirely. They should have never assumed Vettel was not going to jump them, they should have made Hamilton push as much as the VSC allows, because you're only racing against a delta time, no rule implies you can't gain or lose time on other drivers - that only happens if everyone drives on the same delta without margins.

Mercedes dun goofed imho. Delta calculations or not, they should have realized Vettel has a chance at jumping Hamilton. I knew he could do it and I was watching from home, because I remember other scenarios where drivers only lost 10-12 seconds with a VSC stop, or even less with a drivethrough. Regardless of their calculations on where Vettel was coming back, they should have made sure Hamilton pushed as much as VSC delta allows him to, because even if he comes back in front of Vettel like they expect, there's a difference between coming in front with about 2 feet of difference or half a straight. The former could be used by Vettel to try a pass with fresher tyres (unlikely on this track but we've later seen Hamilton make mistakes, so it could happen), while the latter was basically a sweep. All in all, if Mercedes didn't realize Vettel risks jumping them, I think they need to understand race mechanics better rather than redoing their calculations in particular.
 

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It wasn't about Lewis going faster under the VSC, it was about him pushing out a larger gap just in case there was a VSC.

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Here's an article about it.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...edes-were-beaten-to-first-2018-win-by-ferrari

Seems odd either way. Hamilton could have had a backmarker spin in front of him and lose 20 seconds as he's parked behind him. He could have gone slightly wide or something. Seems odd to calculate so meticulously that if all goes according to plan he'll be slightly ahead of Vettel when he could have pushed a little more and make damn sure that'll be the case. But hey, I'm not complaining.