Media Create Sales: Week 11, 2018 (Mar 12 - Mar 18)

Laplasakos · Mar 25, 2018

FormatCompatible said:
My question is, would Sony even be willing to do a SF5 again for a franchise that is in a genre that doesn't do amazing numbers like DMC? I can see them wanting to do some cross-promotion like they did with MonHun, but what does benefit them to pay for exclusivity (and Capcom too for that matter).

For Sony, not much. Especially at this point (late gen).

For Capcom though, there isn't anything to lose, since they probably wouldn't bother making a new one if it wasn't funded by someone else. I mean, DMC hasn't got a brand new entry since 5+ years. If DMC5 is real and succeeds, then Capcom will continue the franchise, probably multiplatform from that point. If not, they will stop making new entries and financially wise it won't be so bad for them, since it was funded by someone else (again, assuming the rumors are true).

Sqrt · Mar 25, 2018

FormatCompatible said:
My question is, would Sony even be willing to do a SF5 again for a franchise that is in a genre that doesn't do amazing numbers like DMC? I can see them wanting to do some cross-promotion like they did with MonHun, but what does benefit them to pay for exclusivity (and Capcom too for that matter).

The assumption has always been that Sony+Capcom plans were laid up earlier in the gen.

Deleted member 1413 · Mar 25, 2018

Lonely1 said:
The assumption has always been that Sony+Capcom plans were laid up earlier in the gen.

I think SFV was teased in those playstation launch commercials so it's been in the works for awhile. I guess Capcom was struggling pretty hard to transition to this gen with most of their titles having some form of first party funding (Dead Rising, SFV, maybe MHW, RE7 VR, etc).
They're probably still not in a good enough place to go it completely alone, admittedly

FormatCompatible · Mar 25, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
From the DMC5 rumor thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/le...-5-info-potential-heavy-spoilers-inside.8198/

DMC5 may not be financially viable without moneyhatting at this point. It's more popular than Bayonetta of course, but a 2m unit AAA franchise is usually a dead franchise.

I can certainly see having exclusive dlc, or even a timed exclusive (god please no) but full on exclusivity? That I do find it doubtful, the game is very likely going to sell better on PS4 anyway, why pay for the whole (or most of) development? Nintendo with Bayo is a case of them needing that type of game, it fills a gap in their lineup. Capcom really is the only one to benefit in such a deal, and even that I would argue that it would benefit them more in having it release for XB/PC given the numbers that this genre typically does nowadays.

CeroMiedo said:
There is a reason why Sony changed God of War formula into another cinematic action game.The character action genre isn't what it used to be

Yep.

Lonely1 said:
The assumption has always been that Sony+Capcom plans were laid up earlier in the gen.

Really? When did this rumor came from? The only thing I heard was about some kind of help that Sony gave them, didn't hear about them doing that so early on. Not doubting you, honestly curious.

Laplasakos said:
For Sony, not much. Especially at this point (late gen).

For Capcom though, there isn't anything to lose, since they probably wouldn't bother making a new one if it wasn't funded by someone else. I mean, DMC hasn't got a brand new entry since 5+ years. If DMC5 is real and succeeds, then Capcom will continue the franchise, probably multiplatform from that point. If not, they will stop making new entries and financially wise it won't be so bad for them, since it was funded by someone else (again, assuming the rumors are true).

Agreed, although I do think that a timed exclusive like they did for the last two Dead Rising probably would be better deal.

MrTired · Mar 25, 2018

FormatCompatible said:
I can certainly see having exclusive dlc, or even a timed exclusive (god please no) but full on exclusivity? That I do find it doubtful, the game is very likely going to sell better on PS4 anyway, why pay for the whole (or most of) development? Nintendo with Bayo is a case of them needing that type of game, it fills a gap in their lineup. Capcom really is the only one to benefit in such a deal, and even that I would argue that it would benefit them more in having it release for XB/PC given the numbers that this genre typically does nowadays.

Yep.

Really? When did this rumor came from? The only thing I heard was about some kind of help that Sony gave them, didn't hear about them doing that so early on. Not doubting you, honestly curious.

Agreed, although I do think that a timed exclusive like they did for the last two Dead Rising probably would be better deal.

Dead Rising 3 was a full exclusive.

FormatCompatible · Mar 25, 2018

MrTired said:
Dead Rising 3 was a full exclusive.

You are right, thank you for the correction. It was 4 that was timed. 3 came out later on PC after the XB release so confused that with 4.

ACL · Mar 25, 2018

Interesting thing about Capcom is that they rely more and more on their old IPs, while more recent ones declined to a level that they don't seem to be pushed much anymore. Capcom really was one of the publishers that was really active in creating new IPs. Even early last gen they managed to create something new like Lost Planet, Dead Rising among others like Dragons Dogma by the end of last gen.

Recently it seems that they reduced their console output mostly to their now older IPs.

(MegaMan - NES) after a notable hiatus
Street Fighter (2) - SNES
Resident Evil - PS1/SAT
(Devil May Cry - PS2)
Monster Hunter - PS2

We are already 4/5 years in the current gen and they haven't established a single important new IP, while at the same time their last gen efforts started to wither.

Deleted member 5535 · Mar 25, 2018

Glio · Mar 25, 2018

ACL said:
Interesting thing about Capcom is that they rely more and more on their old IPs, while more recent ones declined to a level that they don't seem to be pushed much anymore. Capcom really was one of the publishers that was really active in creating new IPs. Even early last gen they managed to create something new like Lost Planet, Dead Rising among others like Dragons Dogma by the end of last gen.

Recently it seems that they reduced their console output mostly to their now older IPs.

(MegaMan - NES) after a notable hiatus
Street Fighter (2) - SNES
Resident Evil - PS1/SAT
(Devil May Cry - PS2)
Monster Hunter - PS2

We are already 4/5 years in the current gen and they haven't established a single important new IP, while at the same time their last gen efforts started to wither.

I was Deep Down and...

Let's leave it where Deep Down was.

ItWasMeantToBe19 · Mar 25, 2018

Lost Planet 2 was too early.

A Lost Planet 2 sequel with great shooting mechanics would sell like 10-20m units.

Feel like they should be doing this.

FormatCompatible · Mar 25, 2018

ACL said:
Interesting thing about Capcom is that they rely more and more on their old IPs, while more recent ones declined to a level that they don't seem to be pushed much anymore. Capcom really was one of the publishers that was really active in creating new IPs. Even early last gen they managed to create something new like Lost Planet, Dead Rising among others like Dragons Dogma by the end of last gen.

Recently it seems that they reduced their console output mostly to their now older IPs.

(MegaMan - NES) after a notable hiatus
Street Fighter (2) - SNES
Resident Evil - PS1/SAT
(Devil May Cry - PS2)
Monster Hunter - PS2

We are already 4/5 years in the current gen and they haven't established a single important new IP, while at the same time their last gen efforts started to wither.

Where's Onimusha though?

I do agree with you that they haven't created a brand new big ip like they did the previous generations.

xxbrothawizxx · Mar 25, 2018

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
I think the rumors of Modern Warfare 2: Extremely Bad Edition (they're literally stripping out the multiplayer...) as the only Call of Duty game on Switch this year are more disheartening for Switch third-party support than God Eater and other things.

Black Ops 4 is one of those games where it's like... A Switch version would definitely sell well and Activision still doesn't think it's worth their time.

I don't think any of the rumors have suggested that the Switch game will be MW2R. Sellars said it was going to be BLOPS4 and NateDrake only heard that CoD was coming in some form. Why would we even entertain the idea that Acti would bring CoD to a new platform without multiplayer? It makes far less sense to do that than releasing the game without multiplayer on platforms that already have multiple active CoD player bases. If it isn't BLOPS4 and MW2R is coming without multiplayer, a port of MWR alone is a better guess than MW2R. In a cartridge less world, we'd get a MWR and MW2R double pack.

I think Activision will likely make the same bet EA did. Platform parity doesn't affect sales enough to care. Fifa 18 isn't anything like the current game, but I think if eshop charts are any indication, the game sells similarly or better than fully featured NBA 2K18. Obviously not the exact same situation because Remastered will be a two year old title if it comes this year and EA can slap a new year onto anything they want, but Skyrim showed that strong IPs can overcome the late port challenge.

I think many of the people interested in the idea of CoD on Switch are likely to buy as long as it's a version that has multiplayer. Activision wouldn't bother porting a CoD title without it.

KtSlime · Mar 25, 2018

fiendcode said:
No, I'm not setting an arbitrary timetable. I'm just pointing out that despite the games overlapping development, 3rd was announced much later. X and 4 also overlapped dev cycles but X wasn't announced until after 4U had released. In all likelihood the PX team has been working on a new MH game for a couple years by now.

So we should hold out hope for a year? Two? Three? Forever maybe? I believe it is best to assume it is not coming until proven otherwise. This would be the smarter course of action.

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

TSUTAYA Ranking Sales, 2018 (Mar 19 - Mar 25)

NSW: 9
PS4: 9
PSV: 1
3DS: 1

CeroMiedo · Mar 26, 2018

silpheed-mcd said:
TSUTAYA Ranking Sales, 2018 (Mar 19 - Mar 25)

skullwaker · Mar 26, 2018

I wonder what Kirby's second week will be. I'm thinking 70-80k, which would put it at roughly 300k total.

Tsukinopio · Mar 26, 2018

Releasing Hyrule Warriors for a third time was probably a bad idea. They should have started working on a sequel two years ago.

skullwaker · Mar 26, 2018

Tsukinopio said:
Releasing Hyrule Warriors for a third time was probably a bad idea. They should have started working on a sequel two years ago.

I don't think it's really harmful. I agree that a sequel would've been better, but HWDX is looking to open in the 20-30k range most likely which isn't bad for what it is.

For reference:

02./00. [WIU] Hyrule Warriors # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2014.08.14} (¥7.980) - 69.090 / NEW <57,33%>
03./00. [3DS] Hyrule Warriors Legends # <ACT> (Koei Tecmo) {2016.01.21} (¥5.800) - 54.479 / NEW

Vena · Mar 26, 2018

Tsukinopio said:
Releasing Hyrule Warriors for a third time was probably a bad idea. They should have started working on a sequel two years ago.

I can't imagine it cost them anything, and it will almost assuredly sell better than FEW...

... Probably by a non-negligible amount.

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

ComG! Week Sales, 2018 (March 19 - March 25)

01/01 [NSW] Kirby Star Allies - 125 pt (-203 pt)
02/ N [3DS] Detective Pikachu - 57 pt
03/ N [PS4] Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom (normal version) - 56 pt
04/ N [PS4] Valkyria Chronicles 4 (normal version) - 45 pt
05/ N [NSW] Hyrule Warriors All Stars DX - 29 pt
06/ N [PS4) Valkyria Chronicles 4 (10th Anniversary Memorial Pack) - 20 pt
07/02 [PS4] Attack on Titan 2 (normal version) - 18 pt (-17 pt)
08/03 [PS4] Like the North Star (normal version) - 18 pt (-14 pt)
09/ N [NSW] Pripara: All Idol Perfect Stage - 17 pt
10/08 [NSW] Splatoon 2 - 14 pt (-3 pt)
11/ N [PSV] D.S.: Dal Segno (normal version) - 13 pt
12/04 [NSW] Attack on Titan 2 (normal version) - 11 pt (-16 pt)
13/ N [PSV] Ikemen Sengoku: Toki o Kakeru Koi - Aratanaru Deai - 10 pt
14/07 [PS4] Rainbow Six Siege Advanced Edition - 10 pt (-8 pt)
15/12 [PS4] Devil May Cry HD Collection - 9 pt (-1 pt)
16/ N [PS4] Assassin's Creed Rogue Remastered - 9 pt
17/ N [PS4] Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom (limited edition) - 9 pt
18/19 [NSW] The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - 8 pt (+2 pt)
19/11 [NSW] Dragon Quest Builders - 7 pt (-4 pt)
20/13 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 7 pt (-3 pt)

PS4: 9
NSW: 8
PSV: 2
3DS: 1

ComG! Week Sales, 2018 (March 12 - March 18)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/5728003/

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

Famitsu most wanted

01. [PS4] Final Fantasy VII Remake – 800 votes
02. [PS4] Kingdom Hearts III – 607 votes
03. [PS4] Super Robot Wars X – 417 votes
04. [PSV] Romancing SaGa 3 – 285 votes
05. [3DS] Persona Q2 – 283 votes
06. [PS4] Disaster Report 4 Plus: Summer Memories – 249 votes
07. [NSW] Bayonetta 3 – 231 votes
08. [PS4] Death end re;Quest – 226 votes
09. [NSW] Octopath Traveler – 223 votes
10. [NSW] Shin Megami Tensei V – 211 votes
11. [PS4] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2018 – 208 votes
12. [PS4] Zanki Zero – 201 votes
13. [PS4] Ni no Kuni II – 199 votes
14. [PS4] Code Vein – 193 votes
15. [PS4] Dragon Quest Builders 2 – 186 votes
16. [PS4] Ace Combat 7 – 183 votes
17. [NSW] Fire Emblem – 162 votes
18. [PS4] Catherine: Full Body – 158 votes
19. [PSV] Super Robot Wars X – 156 votes
20. [NSW] Dragon Quest XI – 148 votes
21. [PSP] Ushiro – 140 votes
22. [PS4] Far Cry 5 – 131 votes
23. [PS4] Metal Max Xeno – 129 votes
24. [NSW] Dragon Quest Builders 2 – 122 votes
25. [PS4] The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV: The End of Saga – 121 votes
26. [PS4] New Gundam Breaker – 118 votes
27. [3DS] Detective Pikachu – 111 votes
28. [PS4] Caligula Overdose – 110 votes
29. [NSW] Mario Tennis Aces – 109 votes
30. [PS4] Soulcalibur VI – 101 votes

https://nintendoeverything.com/famitsus-most-wanted-games-3-25-18/

Laplasakos · Mar 26, 2018

silpheed-mcd said:
Famitsu most wanted

21. [PSP] Ushiro – 140 votes

https://nintendoeverything.com/famitsus-most-wanted-games-3-25-18/

Lol.

At least The Last Remnant PS3 isn't ranking anymore.

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

Laplasakos said:
Lol.

At least The Last Remnant PS3 isn't ranking anymore.

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

God Eater 3: second trailer

silpheed-mcd · Mar 26, 2018

GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (March 19 - March 25)

~ 1.200 stores

01/01 [NSW] Kirby Star Allies
02/ N [PS4] Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom
03/ N [PS4] Valkyria Chronicles 4
04/ N [NSW] Hyrule Warriors All Stars DX
05/ N [3DS] Detective Pikachu
06/07 [NSW] Splatoon 2
07/02 [PS4] Attack on Titan 2
08/04 [PS4] Like the North Star
09/08 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
10/05 [PS4] Monster Hunter: World

Mr. Takafumi Muto: Kirby Star Allies is getting popular among customers who are playing games for the first time. Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom showed a good start. Valkyria Chronicles 4 and Detective Pikachu have performed well.

GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (March 12 - March 18)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/5741562/

sfortunato · Mar 26, 2018

I wonder what's up with Atlus. They have yet to announce Persona Q2 release date and even show Etrian Festival. Maybe they're gearing up for an event?

Laplasakos · Mar 26, 2018

sfortunato said:
I wonder what's up with Atlus. They have yet to announce Persona Q2 release date and even show Etrian Festival. Maybe they're gearing up for an event?

They are promoting Persona 3/5 Dancing and Persona 5 The Animation currently, so no reason to start releasing Persona Q2 information right now.

I am expecting news blowout for Q2 around summer (with a fall release date), after the release of the dancing games and the conclusion of the anime.

Zedark · Mar 26, 2018

silpheed-mcd said:
GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (March 19 - March 25)

~ 1.200 stores

01/01 [NSW] Kirby Star Allies
02/ N [PS4] Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom
03/ N [PS4] Valkyria Chronicles 4
04/ N [NSW] Hyrule Warriors All Stars DX
05/ N [3DS] Detective Pikachu
06/07 [NSW] Splatoon 2
07/02 [PS4] Attack on Titan 2
08/04 [PS4] Like the North Star
09/08 [NSW] Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
10/05 [PS4] Monster Hunter: World

GEO Ranking Sales, 2018 (March 12 - March 18)
https://www.resetera.com/posts/5741562/

Mr. Takafumi Muto: Kirby Star Allies is getting popular among customers who are playing games for the first time. Ninokuni 2 Revenant Kingdom showed a good start. Valkyria Chronicles 4 and Detective Pikachu have performed well.

Interesting tidbit from mr. Takafumi Muto. You'd expect that to mean that Kirby would also provide some system sales, which wasn't evident from last week's results.

Laplasakos · Mar 26, 2018

Seems like Ni No Kuni 2 will have a better op then what everyone expected (even YSO prediction). Maybe it won't be saying much, considering we are still looking at low numbers (sub 50k) but it will be interesting to watch it's performance and if it can crack 100k LTD. I am also interested in how it will perform in the west and if it can reach the numbers of the first game (1.5m shipped iirc).

sfortunato · Mar 26, 2018

Laplasakos said:
They are promoting Persona 3/5 Dancing and Persona 5 The Animation currently, so no reason to start releasing Persona Q2 information right now.

I am expecting news blowout for Q2 around summer (with a fall release date), after the release of the dancing games and the conclusion of the anime.

I think Atlus can promote more than game per once especially when targeted towards different platforms. Persona Q2 would also benefit from anime promotion.

Laplasakos said:
Seems like Ni No Kuni 2 will have a better op then what everyone expected (even YSO prediction). Maybe it won't be saying much, considering we are still looking at low numbers (sub 50k) but it will be interesting to watch it's performance and if it can crack 100k LTD. I am also interested in how it will perform in the west and if it can reach the numbers of the first game (1.5m shipped iirc).

1.1m worldwide for the PS3 version: http://www.vg247.com/2014/03/07/ni-...ses-1-1-million-shipped-new-edition-revealed/

The original one didn't do so hot in Japan. Doing worser is not a very good sign.

Oregano · Mar 26, 2018

NNK2 is on PS4/PC which is more popular than PS3 was at the time. If it doesn't equal the total sales of the first one then it's a tad disappointing, but I'm not sure it will see any significant growth. It's an interesting one, hype has been very subdued IMO.

Laplasakos · Mar 26, 2018

sfortunato said:
I think Atlus can promote more than game per once especially when targeted towards different platforms. Persona Q2 would also benefit from anime promotion.

If you are a Persona fan (like me) you would have noticed that this isn't the first time Atlus is doing this. When they announced Persona 4 Dancing, Persona Q and Persona 5, each time, marketing wise they were focusing on one game (the one closer to the release). When the game was out they were focusing on the next. It has nothing to do with what Atlus can promote, it has to do with what they want to promote and clearly there is a pattern here. Persona 5 Dancing obviously benefits more from the anime promotion, compared to Q2.

Oregano said:
NNK2 is on PS4/PC which is more popular than PS3 was at the time. If it doesn't equal the total sales of the first one then it's a tad disappointing, but I'm not sure it will see any significant growth. It's an interesting one, hype has been very subdued IMO.

Imo, the sequel should have released a lot sooner and not 5 years after the first one on PS3. An early PS4 release with a PS3 and PC version in 2015/2016 would have been better. I remember that the game was rumored for quite some time after the release of the first one and most rumors were pointing at a PS3/PS4 cross release.

Mory Dunz · Mar 26, 2018

Tsukinopio said:
Releasing Hyrule Warriors for a third time was probably a bad idea. They should have started working on a sequel two years ago.

Given the sales ratio between jp and the west for the first game, I'm going to wait a bit before saying anything conclusive.

eff coming out in may though.

Oregano · Mar 26, 2018

Laplasakos said:
If you are a Persona fan (like me) you would have noticed that this isn't the first time Atlus is doing this. When they announced Persona 4 Dancing, Persona Q and Persona 5, each time, marketing wise they were focusing on one game (the one closer to the release). When the game was out they were focusing on the next. It has nothing to do with what Atlus can promote, it has to do with what they want to promote and clearly there is a pattern here. Persona 5 Dancing obviously benefits more from the anime promotion, compared to Q2.

Imo, the sequel should have released a lot sooner and not 5 years after the first one on PS3. An early PS4 release with a PS3 and PC version in 2015/2016 would have been better. I remember that the game was rumored for quite some time after the release of the first one and most rumors were pointing at a PS3/PS4 cross release.

Well considering Level 5's track record that probably was the plan.

sfortunato · Mar 26, 2018

Laplasakos said:
If you are a Persona fan (like me) you would have noticed that this isn't the first time Atlus is doing this. When they announced Persona 4 Dancing, Persona Q and Persona 5, each time, marketing wise they were focusing on one game (the one closer to the release). When the game was out they were focusing on the next. It has nothing to do with what Atlus can promote, it has to do with what they want to promote and clearly there is a pattern here. Persona 5 Dancing obviously benefits more from the anime promotion, compared to Q2.

Of course marketing gets heavier the closer the release date. I wasn't debating this. I was writing about Atlus complete silence over two games that are supposed to release this year. The comparison with Persona Q and Persona 4 Dancing doesn't make much sense: they were announced the same day (both receiving a trailer) and they were releasing one year apart. Persona Q2 and Etrian Festival are supposed to release this year and they didn't even get a trailer. Well, about Etrian, we don't even know what type of game is.

Aostia82 · Mar 26, 2018

Ryoma said:
It seems like the opposite to me. It's clear that a lot of Japanese third parties were not well prepared for the Switch's success and that they were, at best, taking a wait and see approach. Obviously the Switch was a big success from day one, but the point at which the system made it absolutely clear that it was going to be a long-term success was in the middle of 2017. If this was the point where plans started to shift for third parties, I don't think it's reasonable to expect widespread day and date Switch releases or announcements in late 2017 and the early part of 2018. That seems like an awfully fast turnaround.

2019 always seemed like the safer bet for when third party support would catch up, and I think E3 and TGS this year will be a lot more informative about long-term third party support than the announcements (or lack thereof) we've gotten so far.

I agree, but knowing development pipelines, this simply means what I was trying to say from the old forum days.
this will translate in just some tepid support from JP third parties.
If we all know that the Switch should/would be a successor to the 3DS too and not only the Wii U, you will see how disappointing the shift from previous gen to this one will be.
And will be exaclty for that reason: TP weren't expecting this kind of success, were taken by surprise, were doint the wait-and-see approach and this will create a mess in terms of timings for possible release, caught in the middle of previous and next gen (in terms of PS4 and PS5 foreseen worldwide success).

K Samedi said:
I think a radical change will only occurr if Nintendo appeals to the sort of crowd that primarily game on playstation or xbox. The Switch is getting loads of indie announcements and also more medium budget games yet its unrealistic to expect massive hardcore games in the current situation. I think the indie support is already massive and continues to grow. Why does this not count as third party support? Is it because those games dont appeal to you ? What kind of third party games are we expecting here ?

it would have been enough to properly present the Switch also as a 3ds successor to third parties, even with a "rolling wave" planning, imho

sfortunato · Mar 26, 2018

Aostia82 said:
I agree, but knowing development pipelines, this simply means what I was trying to say from the old forum days.
this will translate in just some tepid support from JP third parties.
If we all know that the Switch should/would be a successor to the 3DS too and not only the Wii U, you will see how disappointing the shift from previous gen to this one will be.
And will be exaclty for that reason: TP weren't expecting this kind of success, were taken by surprise, were doint the wait-and-see approach and this will create a mess in terms of timings for possible release, caught in the middle of previous and next gen (in terms of PS4 and PS5 foreseen worldwide success).

Were you expecting more than some mildly pushed exclusive games like Octopath Traveler and Shin Megami Tensei V plus some reasonable multi-platform games (e.g., Koei Tecmo stuffs, Bandai Namco anime tie-ins)...?

It was clear from the get-go that Switch wouldn't have received a mainline Final Fantasy. But we have yet to see whether some medium franchise will jump or not. Tales of, Persona, future mid-sized SQEX game, Resident Evil... We don't know anything about new entries/re-edition yet so it's a bit too early for some good old doom-and-gloom.

Then, there are franchises that are so linked to Sony that will never jump, like Gundam, but that's true for some Nintendo-specific franchises like Harvest Moon.

Laplasakos · Mar 26, 2018

sfortunato said:
Of course marketing gets heavier the closer the release date. I wasn't debating this. I was writing about Atlus complete silence over two games that are supposed to release this year. The comparison with Persona Q and Persona 4 Dancing doesn't make much sense: they were announced the same day (both receiving a trailer) and they were releasing one year apart. Persona Q2 and Etrian Festival are supposed to release this year and they didn't even get a trailer. Well, about Etrian, we don't even know what type of game is.

No, it makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is expecting Persona Q2 news when Persona 3/5 Dancing and P5A are around the corner and blaming Atlus for not releasing new info. Leaving fanxiety aside, this is common sense. They are focusing on these developments right now and when they will release them, Persona Q2 is next, just like what happened in the past when they announced multiple Persona games. Just wait and see.

Lelouch0612 · Mar 26, 2018

Aostia82 said:
And will be exaclty for that reason: TP weren't expecting this kind of success, were taken by surprise, were doint the wait-and-see approach and this will create a mess in terms of timings for possible release, caught in the middle of previous and next gen (in terms of PS4 and PS5 foreseen worldwide success).

As long as you'll put every TP in the same basket, you'll be not taken seriously.

I agree that some of them had this approach (BN with the worse being Capcom) but others clearing didn't and claiming that is giving the impression that you are arguing in bad faith.

ACL · Mar 26, 2018

sfortunato said:
Were you expecting more than some mildly pushed exclusive games like Octopath Traveler and Shin Megami Tensei V plus some reasonable multi-platform games (e.g., Koei Tecmo stuffs, Bandai Namco anime tie-ins)...?

It was clear from the get-go that Switch wouldn't have received a mainline Final Fantasy. But we have yet to see whether some medium franchise will jump or not. Tales of, Persona, future mid-sized SQEX game, Resident Evil... We don't know anything about new entries/re-edition yet so it's a bit too early for some good old doom-and-gloom.

Then, there are franchises that are so linked to Sony that will never jump, like Gundam, but that's true for some Nintendo-specific franchises like Harvest Moon.

At one point we have to ask ourselves if we are discussing with someone who actually argues in good faith, considering how often the goalposts got moved. At one point even NIS was considered a publisher that would never ever support a Nintendo system seriously, the same is true with KoeiTecmo. Falcom games like Ys8 won't be even considered. Or the concern trolling about Taiko and Tales of with the former recently dated, sure because it is totally rational to expect games for a system getting announced and then canceled after the system proofed itself to be successful.

sfortunato · Mar 26, 2018

Laplasakos said:
No, it makes perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is expecting Persona Q2 news when Persona 3/5 Dancing and P5A are around the corner and blaming Atlus for not releasing new info. Leaving fanxiety aside, this is common sense. They are focusing on these developments right now and when they will release them, Persona Q2 is next, just like what happened in the past when they announced multiple Persona games. Just wait and see.

I'm not blaming Atlus, lol. I just wondered why they've been completely silent about two games that are supposed to release this year. The point is, Atlus's been silent about Persona Q2 since the announcement, which didn't even have a trailer. Both Persona Q and Persona 4 Dancing got a trailer when announced. Also, Persona Q and Persona 4 Arena Ultimax were promoted simultaneously (they were releasing much closer but still). Then Etrian Festival was just teased and it's nowhere to be seen. It's worth noticing they weren't afraid of talking about multiple Etrian games at once in the past.

Deleted member 8593 · Mar 26, 2018

silpheed-mcd said:
God Eater 3: second trailer

This is the game that ended Switch third party support, right?

Mory Dunz · Mar 26, 2018

ACL said:
At one point we have to ask ourselves if we are discussing with someone who actually argues in good faith, considering how often the goalposts got moved.

it's literally been over a year. when's that point?

i've been scrolling past you guys's conversations for months tbh

ACL · Mar 26, 2018

Dardan Sandiego said:
This is the game that ended Switch third party support, right?

It seems to some every excuse is good enough.

fiendcode made a really good comparison between early PS4 and Switch Japanese support just a few pages ago.

CeroMiedo · Mar 26, 2018

Lelouch0612 said:
As long as you'll put every TP in the same basket, you'll be not taken seriously.

I agree that some of them had this approach (BN with the worse being Capcom) but others clearing didn't and claiming that is giving the impression that you are arguing in bad faith.

Actually there is something important that most of you guys forgot,the jump from the 3ds to the switch is very big. That's an important that I think not only apply to mid tier or 3ds third parties,but also Nintendo's core second parties like Alpha Dream.

The 3ds is a not a powerful machine as the switch, small third parties could pump out lots of 3ds softwares because developing games for cost a lot less and take lesser time. For the switch,it's nothing like that,developing games for the switch is developing real hd games,not overly low budgets games that they could do for the 3ds,they cost much bigger budgets and take a lot of time too.

The transition from the 3ds to the switch is a big struggle that most people are overlooking,even when 3ds third parties wanted to transition to the switch even before its release,it's not something they could do in just a few months

Aostia82 · Mar 26, 2018

Lelouch0612 said:
As long as you'll put every TP in the same basket, you'll be not taken seriously.

I agree that some of them had this approach (BN with the worse being Capcom) but others clearing didn't and claiming that is giving the impression that you are arguing in bad faith.

We can totally consider SE support apart. They originally planned way more games, of various "relevance".
Too bad the way they are handling DQXI is completely downplaying its commercial relevance.
We could consider also NIS as a good supporter, but we should also consider how its commercial relevance is waaaay minor compared to other publisher. I can't see their games to have that importance in terms of software global sales or incidence on other publishers' behaviours.

We could also think about SEGA end KT as partially-on board software houses, maybe? But some of their major / best selling franchises aren't going to hit the Switch, it seems (even if we could argue that DQ Warriors isn't THAT heavy anymore?)

Capcom, Level5 and Bandai are probably the most significant missing points, and they were the very foundation of the 3DS/DS successes in terms of software sales and relevance on the market, imho. And they are not involving Switch in their primarly development pipelines.

Lelouch0612 · Mar 26, 2018

Aostia82 said:
We can totally consider SE support apart. They originally planned way more games, of various "relevance".
Too bad the way they are handling DQXI is completely downplaying its commercial relevance.
We could consider also NIS as a good supporter, but we should also consider how its commercial relevance is waaaay minor compared to other publisher. I can't see their games to have that importance in terms of software global sales or incidence on other publishers' behaviours.

We could also think about SEGA end KT as partially-on board software houses, maybe? But some of their major / best selling franchises aren't going to hit the Switch, it seems (even if we could argue that DQ Warriors isn't THAT heavy anymore?)

Capcom, Level5 and Bandai are probably the most significant missing points, and they were the very foundation of the 3DS/DS successes in terms of software sales and relevance on the market, imho. And they are not involving Switch in their primarly development pipelines.

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate.

So yes Square Enix support has been particularly strong. We are waiting for DQXI (like the West), without knowing what the Switch version is going to be we cannot judge whether it is mishandled.

NIS, KT and Sega are bringing their games. Some of them are franchises that were on PS platforms like Valkyria Chronicles, Disgaea...

Let's take a look at the 3 bad apples according to you :

Capcom's support was lacking and against all logic (Disney, MM collection, Okami). They are pivoting ressources now with all MegaMan games coming to Swich and Okami but I dont expect big titles for them until 2019. AA might come this year.

BN clearly tested the water. They ported their biggest game of the gen with DBX2. It peformed exceptionnally well for a late port and they admitted their mistake and committed to a strong support. They are also rumoured to developp Metroid Prime 4 and Ridge Racer exclusively for Switch.

Level 5 had a rough year in 2017 in general. The early adopters of the Switch were not their demographic target (kids). After the big Holiday, kids came in numbers on the ecosystem and Level 5's output is ramping up.

You'll be getting The Snack World and IE in the next months. Plus YW will probably get announced soon (Famitsu) so you shouldn't worry about L5. They are fully on board now.

So overall the situation is not perfect but will likely improve during the year to reach a very good level imo.

Deleted member 8593 · Mar 26, 2018

ACL said:
It seems to some every excuse is good enough.

fiendcode made a really good comparison between early PS4 and Switch Japanese support just a few pages ago.

I saw that. Really puts things into perspective.

People have some really weird expectations when it comes to third party support for Nintendo systems. On both sides.

foxuzamaki · Mar 26, 2018

CeroMiedo said:
Actually there is something important that most of you guys forgot,the jump from the 3ds to the switch is very big. That's an important that I think not only apply to mid tier or 3ds third parties,but also Nintendo's core second parties like Alpha Dream.

The 3ds is a not a powerful machine as the switch, small third parties could pump out lots of 3ds softwares because developing games for cost a lot less and take lesser time. For the switch,it's nothing like that,developing games for the switch is developing real hd games,not overly low budgets games that they could do for the 3ds,they cost much bigger budgets and take a lot of time too.

The transition from the 3ds to the switch is a big struggle that most people are overlooking,even when 3ds third parties wanted to transition to the switch even before its release,it's not something they could do in just a few months

Ouch, yeah, that is a big thing, we're talking actual HD console games now, nintendo 2nd party most likely dont have much to worry about considering how much nintendo tends to help their own employees on different projects, but those that probably havent made games on hardware no more powerful than phones(where they arent making graphically intensive games lets be honest) or vita. It's gonna take them some time.
If their lucky they can be like koei tecmo and have games that are technically HD but are goddamn PS2 games in terms of assets because have you seen nights of azure 2 on switch, I have, i bought that game and no matter if its handheld or docked. hooly shit.

Oregano · Mar 26, 2018

The jump from 3DS isn't an issue for anyone other than Atlus. Pretty much every developer in Japan has made a Vita or PS4 game.

Which 3DS developer are we waiting to make the jump to HD exactly?

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