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yungronny

Banned
Nov 27, 2017
1,349
The more I play this game, the more I realize I just don't care.

About the battles, about the story, about anything. I love you Level 5, but virtually every decision you have made in this game disengages me from what's going on.

  • Every battle is trivially easy. They're over too fast, you can't use the mechanics of the game to their true potential.
  • Enemy variety is nonexistent. I feel like I've been fighting the same enemy types for 20 hours.
  • Every story point lacks drama or excitement. Even a children's game can have some stakes. Why does nothing I do seem to trigger the main story? It's like no one seems to care that you're rebelling against the crown.
  • Every choice I make lacks consequence, from which weapons I have to who lives in my kingdom
  • Exploring is not fun because there is no danger, none of the loot matters, and for 5 chapters I can only visit one town. 5 chapters. One town.
  • Kingdom building is boring because there's no reward for doing it well. Every kingdom in every person's game will look the same in the end. Everything you do feeds into the trivially easy, consequence-free story.
  • All quests and side quests are tedious. No, I will not give you three bafmodads. There are only two places to visit and you can walk your dog or cat ass over the bridge and visit racially insensitive Chinese food pun.
  • The game's soundtrack is wildly inconsistent, annoying, and often doesn't fit with the place you're visiting.
  • The text is so tiny that I can't read it. I'm old, game. Stop making me get up to squint at my 4KTV.
  • The battle minigame, which could have tied right into the main battle system is largely devoid of strategy once you have the right units. Why should you spend time wearing down your opponents when charging will do? With that said, it's far more strategic than the main game's battle system. I'll give it that.


To me, JRPGs usually have a main battle system and a secondary crafting/building/whatever system to supplement what you're doing in battle. This game's systems do not serve each other in any meaningful way and are dumbed down so much that it's impossible to care about them even independently.

Ni Ni Kuni 2 is a gorgeous game but that's not enough in 2018. Hell, it wasn't enough in 2003 or 2005.

I just can't excuse this anymore. It's not worth $60. I would say wait for a sale but there are still better options for sale prices too.

How many times do we need someone shitting on the game in this thread? Just stop playing, goddamn. There are review sites for this stuff.
 

AngelL0ls

Member
Oct 28, 2017
263
Wellington, New Zealand
Still can't get him. I hope it's not a bug

Hmmm I did it in tandem with the crafting of 30 weapons trophy. Maybe it is a mistranslation and it means bring him 30 crafted melee weapons instead?

If you have the mats to do it I suggest saving first incase you don't, make 10 of the cheapest from each class (10 sword, 10 axe, 10 lance) NO DUPLICATES, then go check Tyger again.
 

Patch13

Member
Oct 27, 2017
398
New England
The more I play this game, the more I realize I just don't care.

About the battles, about the story, about anything. I love you Level 5, but virtually every decision you have made in this game disengages me from what's going on.

  • Every battle is trivially easy. They're over too fast, you can't use the mechanics of the game to their true potential.
  • Enemy variety is nonexistent. I feel like I've been fighting the same enemy types for 20 hours.
  • Every story point lacks drama or excitement. Even a children's game can have some stakes. Why does nothing I do seem to trigger the main story? It's like no one seems to care that you're rebelling against the crown.
  • Every choice I make lacks consequence, from which weapons I have to who lives in my kingdom
  • Exploring is not fun because there is no danger, none of the loot matters, and for 5 chapters I can only visit one town. 5 chapters. One town.
  • Kingdom building is boring because there's no reward for doing it well. Every kingdom in every person's game will look the same in the end. Everything you do feeds into the trivially easy, consequence-free story.
  • All quests and side quests are tedious. No, I will not give you three bafmodads. There are only two places to visit and you can walk your dog or cat ass over the bridge and visit racially insensitive Chinese food pun.
  • The game's soundtrack is wildly inconsistent, annoying, and often doesn't fit with the place you're visiting.
  • The text is so tiny that I can't read it. I'm old, game. Stop making me get up to squint at my 4KTV.
  • The battle minigame, which could have tied right into the main battle system is largely devoid of strategy once you have the right units. Why should you spend time wearing down your opponents when charging will do? With that said, it's far more strategic than the main game's battle system. I'll give it that.


To me, JRPGs usually have a main battle system and a secondary crafting/building/whatever system to supplement what you're doing in battle. This game's systems do not serve each other in any meaningful way and are dumbed down so much that it's impossible to care about them even independently.

Ni Ni Kuni 2 is a gorgeous game but that's not enough in 2018. Hell, it wasn't enough in 2003 or 2005.

I just can't excuse this anymore. It's not worth $60. I would say wait for a sale but there are still better options for sale prices too.

This is a quality post. I suspect that I'm going to disagree with you, and enjoy mucking about with the systems and having fun without worrying about bashing my head against any annoying difficulty walls (I have very little patience for difficulty in linear narrative games ... roguelikes and such are a different matter).

I appreciate you taking the time to outline what you didn't like in detail, so that others have a good idea whether they'll have the same experience that you did or not. Hope that you find another game more suitable to your tastes :-)
 

Raijinto

self-requested ban
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
10,091
I'm still enjoying the game more than I expected now I'm chapter 6. Chapter 5 was mostly very good. I'd like to say that people should stick with it but I can't say that reading that post from Speevy doesn't resonate with my experience because it is quite right in many aspects. A lot of the game's problems still persist despite the fun I'm having.

I'm certainly not going to jump down anyone's throats for disliking this game, or heck any game. That is most definitely not on.
 

Chromanin

Banned
Feb 14, 2018
410
I have a hard time playing this game. I fail to see what this game does well except for it's art and graphics. I'm only at the beginning with the sky pirates, but its just so ludicrous and braindead. They want to kill you and 10 minutes later I command them? Random girl gets captured and Evan tears up completely 5 minutes later? This is not ghibli style, this has nthonot on them.

Only one thing, those cute ghosts are great
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,964
The more I play this game, the more I realize I just don't care.

About the battles, about the story, about anything. I love you Level 5, but virtually every decision you have made in this game disengages me from what's going on.

  • Every battle is trivially easy. They're over too fast, you can't use the mechanics of the game to their true potential.
  • Enemy variety is nonexistent. I feel like I've been fighting the same enemy types for 20 hours.
  • Every story point lacks drama or excitement. Even a children's game can have some stakes. Why does nothing I do seem to trigger the main story? It's like no one seems to care that you're rebelling against the crown.
  • Every choice I make lacks consequence, from which weapons I have to who lives in my kingdom
  • Exploring is not fun because there is no danger, none of the loot matters, and for 5 chapters I can only visit one town. 5 chapters. One town.
  • Kingdom building is boring because there's no reward for doing it well. Every kingdom in every person's game will look the same in the end. Everything you do feeds into the trivially easy, consequence-free story.
  • All quests and side quests are tedious. No, I will not give you three bafmodads. There are only two places to visit and you can walk your dog or cat ass over the bridge and visit racially insensitive Chinese food pun.
  • The game's soundtrack is wildly inconsistent, annoying, and often doesn't fit with the place you're visiting.
  • The text is so tiny that I can't read it. I'm old, game. Stop making me get up to squint at my 4KTV.
  • The battle minigame, which could have tied right into the main battle system is largely devoid of strategy once you have the right units. Why should you spend time wearing down your opponents when charging will do? With that said, it's far more strategic than the main game's battle system. I'll give it that.


To me, JRPGs usually have a main battle system and a secondary crafting/building/whatever system to supplement what you're doing in battle. This game's systems do not serve each other in any meaningful way and are dumbed down so much that it's impossible to care about them even independently.

Ni Ni Kuni 2 is a gorgeous game but that's not enough in 2018. Hell, it wasn't enough in 2003 or 2005.

I just can't excuse this anymore. It's not worth $60. I would say wait for a sale but there are still better options for sale prices too.

this seems pretty accurate to my experience, just about to head to hydropolis and getting 2nd thoughts about continuing
 

DarkChronic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,040
How many times do we need someone shitting on the game in this thread? Just stop playing, goddamn. There are review sites for this stuff.

That seems a little unfair. I haven't started the game yet but I enjoy hearing impressions from people who are enjoying it and not enjoying it.

Anyway, just wrapped up Persona 5 the other night. I might palette cleanse with Resident Evil 7 and then I'll finally dive into this next weekend. Really excited to check it out.
 

Ouroboros

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,022
United States
That seems a little unfair. I haven't started the game yet but I enjoy hearing impressions from people who are enjoying it and not enjoying it.

Anyway, just wrapped up Persona 5 the other night. I might palette cleanse with Resident Evil 7 and then I'll finally dive into this next weekend. Really excited to check it out.
The complaints are valid, but I am enjoying it for what it is. I'm about 16 hours in and am really enjoying the kingdom builder part.
 

AngelL0ls

Member
Oct 28, 2017
263
Wellington, New Zealand
Can't find her... Maybe I have to do some of the "normal" side quests first, I avoid them most of the time. Or wait...is there any post game I have to wait for? I'm in the last chapter, can I recruit everyone here?

Brianna is from sidequest #104. Should unlock around chapter 8 ish from the swift solutions token trade in.
There are a few recruitable people that only appear post game as well.
 

Imur

Member
Jan 4, 2018
485
Brianna is from sidequest #104. Should unlock around chapter 8 ish from the swift solutions token trade in.
There are a few recruitable people that only appear post game as well.

Weird, I recruited everyone available with tokens. Maybe it's random who is available when. I guess I have to wait. Thank you!
 

Deleted member 4541

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,569
having fun without worrying about bashing my head against any annoying difficulty walls

This is where I'm at, I absolutely love the simplicity/accessibility of this game. I haven't played a ton of JRPGs, so for me, this seems perfect.

Mind you, I have absolutely nothing against difficulty options for those that want them, but I'm glad this game was simple/easy enough for me to pick up & throughly enjoy.

Side note - all the NNK1 vs NNK2 posts has made me want to dust off the PS3 & see what NNK1 has to offer. If I'm enjoying 2 this much, I feel like 1 is a given.
 

Chromanin

Banned
Feb 14, 2018
410
Something can be simple, yet challenging and surprising. And something can be simple, as in braindead.

I really feel it's the last here. This isn't the simple to learn hard to master kind of thing. It's just button mashing with little thought or skill involved. But it looks beautiful.

I'm pretty dissapointed at this evolution in jRPGs. We used to only have one series like this: Tales of. But now pretty much every jRPG is taking that as a template. I guess Bandai Namco being the publisher for both has something to do with it.
 

AngelL0ls

Member
Oct 28, 2017
263
Wellington, New Zealand
Weird, I recruited everyone available with tokens. Maybe it's random who is available when. I guess I have to wait. Thank you!

Don't sweat it too much, some recruits are main story "gated" by chapters and doing them here or there helps. You sometimes also need to do side quests that don't necessarily give you a citizen before they show up in the token recruit. Brianna is one of those you'll need to finish #89 before she shows up in token shop.
 

HDMF76

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,316
The purpose of an official topic is to discuss a game, not to shower it with praise.

Neither side gets to shut down discussion.

Its GAF where people like to create their own little echo chamber.

Its fair enough to dislike a game and you have every right to express that. Some people think OT means Only Talkpositiveorfuckoff.
 

Blade24070

Member
Oct 26, 2017
7,003
Something can be simple, yet challenging and surprising. And something can be simple, as in braindead.

I really feel it's the last here. This isn't the simple to learn hard to master kind of thing. It's just button mashing with little thought or skill involved. But it looks beautiful.

I'm pretty dissapointed at this evolution in jRPGs. We used to only have one series like this: Tales of. But now pretty much every jRPG is taking that as a template. I guess Bandai Namco being the publisher for both has something to do with it.

Tales games have better gameplay and battle systems with more challenge than this game across all their games. At the very least, they have difficulty systems, so they can be braindead like this game or actually be challenging and require effort, unlike this game ever will.
 

Einherjer

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,924
Germany
Game is great if you think it's too easy do the optional stuff and use the Cheat Engine mod if you are on PS4 tough luck.
 

jett

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,663
Is it me or the dialogue you get while walking around fades out way too quickly? Font is also too small, for that matter.
 

Vire

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
5,591
Seems a lot of the games biggest problems could be a fixed in a patch (difficulty options, text increase, click to proceed text)

Kind of a shame that such minor things detract from the game so greatly. Still thinking about getting the game regardless of some of the negativity here.
 

Oghuz

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,927
I've only done the sidequests that involved recruiting citizens. Now I'm in a new area in which all the enemies are 20 levels above me. This piss easy game suddenly became quite the challenge... Bosses feel like Souls bosses now holy crap.
 

Tibarn

Member
Oct 31, 2017
13,370
Barcelona
The more I play this game, the more I realize I just don't care.

About the battles, about the story, about anything. I love you Level 5, but virtually every decision you have made in this game disengages me from what's going on.

  • Every battle is trivially easy. They're over too fast, you can't use the mechanics of the game to their true potential.
  • Enemy variety is nonexistent. I feel like I've been fighting the same enemy types for 20 hours.
  • Every story point lacks drama or excitement. Even a children's game can have some stakes. Why does nothing I do seem to trigger the main story? It's like no one seems to care that you're rebelling against the crown.
  • Every choice I make lacks consequence, from which weapons I have to who lives in my kingdom
  • Exploring is not fun because there is no danger, none of the loot matters, and for 5 chapters I can only visit one town. 5 chapters. One town.
  • Kingdom building is boring because there's no reward for doing it well. Every kingdom in every person's game will look the same in the end. Everything you do feeds into the trivially easy, consequence-free story.
  • All quests and side quests are tedious. No, I will not give you three bafmodads. There are only two places to visit and you can walk your dog or cat ass over the bridge and visit racially insensitive Chinese food pun.
  • The game's soundtrack is wildly inconsistent, annoying, and often doesn't fit with the place you're visiting.
  • The text is so tiny that I can't read it. I'm old, game. Stop making me get up to squint at my 4KTV.
  • The battle minigame, which could have tied right into the main battle system is largely devoid of strategy once you have the right units. Why should you spend time wearing down your opponents when charging will do? With that said, it's far more strategic than the main game's battle system. I'll give it that.


To me, JRPGs usually have a main battle system and a secondary crafting/building/whatever system to supplement what you're doing in battle. This game's systems do not serve each other in any meaningful way and are dumbed down so much that it's impossible to care about them even independently.

Ni Ni Kuni 2 is a gorgeous game but that's not enough in 2018. Hell, it wasn't enough in 2003 or 2005.

I just can't excuse this anymore. It's not worth $60. I would say wait for a sale but there are still better options for sale prices too.
I agree 100% with you, the game is good-looking and nothing else. And I'm midways chapter 8, so I've seen quite a bit from it.
I would add:
-Characters have no progression during story.
-Invisible walls. Really. In chapter 8 there's some puzzle (an easy one) that will make all of you hate invisible walls.
-The combat feels poor, from the bad camera, the unresponsive block/roll and the enemies that hit you from out of view. If the game was harder, lots of people would be complaining a lot about it, but being easy masks lots of bad decisions.
 

jett

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
44,663
So from what I'm reading right now... The challenge doesn't increase at all? I've only played a few hours but this game is like Kirby-tier easy.
 

Tibarn

Member
Oct 31, 2017
13,370
Barcelona
Seems a lot of the games biggest problems could be a fixed in a patch (difficulty options, text increase, click to proceed text)
Tbh, these are some minor concerns that are not the really problems from the game.
If you read the text by Speevy you have there an accurate list of the real problems.
And if you like your games to have more than 1% of voice acting, add this to the list.
 
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Tibarn

Member
Oct 31, 2017
13,370
Barcelona
So from what I'm reading right now... The challenge doesn't increase at all? I've only played a few hours but this game is like Kirby-tier easy.
The only time I found the game harder is because I've skipped battles during 2 hours and found me surrounded by enemies 10-15 levels above me.
The fun thing is that I killed them without any problem. The battles were 10 seconds long instead of 3...
 
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SaberX85

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,365
Hmmm I did it in tandem with the crafting of 30 weapons trophy. Maybe it is a mistranslation and it means bring him 30 crafted melee weapons instead?

If you have the mats to do it I suggest saving first incase you don't, make 10 of the cheapest from each class (10 sword, 10 axe, 10 lance) NO DUPLICATES, then go check Tyger again.
Yeah i'll try later after i collect 500k gold
 

kubus

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,500
So from what I'm reading right now... The challenge doesn't increase at all? I've only played a few hours but this game is like Kirby-tier easy.
There is a sudden difficulty spike around chapter 6, where you'll find the enemies in the new story area being around 10 levels above you if you didn't grind excessively. The game became much more engaging around that part and after that it only gets more challenging. The difficulty curve is really off in this game, as well as the balance (enemies only posing a threat if they're 10-15 levels higher).

Anyway, just came here to chime in that I finally beat the last dreamer's maze! I tackled it at lvl 85 which was fine imo. I had to rush for the doors though. Final boss was easier than expected, but that's because all the online guides say that the boss there is the exact same as the final final tainted boss. That's incorrect, as I keep getting my ass whooped by that tainted monster (which is lvl 90) but the one in the dreamer's maze (lvl 95) went down much easier and could not ohko my party. Apart from them having the same enemy model, they're different fights.

I only need to finish 50 different skirmishes now for the platinum. And i want to finish sidequest 117, which seems to be broken. I need to get smelly shoes for Morgan but if you've upgraded your kingdom enough such low quality items will not drop anymore. On reddit someone pointed out that they were able to get a set of smelly boots from a chest or vendor in one of the dreamer's mazes, but you gotta be reallllyyy lucky I guess. So protip for those going for 100% run: DONT SELL YOUR SMELLY SHOES.
 

AngelL0ls

Member
Oct 28, 2017
263
Wellington, New Zealand
One question, you're talking about the 9 mazes for the 2nd side quest right?
Aside from the platinum there's a real reason to recruit the investigator tied to the quest?

9 mazes give you the recruit, which then in turn unlocks the final tenth maze. The tenth maze completion gives a trophy, not much other reason to do it other than using it to farm for the rarest of materials. Likewise with recruiting, there's not much reason to unless you want completion, trophies.

It depends what you want out of the game. More people in town means more people to eventually put into material farming for you. The skill she has is already attained from another recruit that you can get anyway, if that's what you're worried about.
 

XaviConcept

Art Director for Videogames
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,914
As someone who is playing No No Kuni 1 right now and having a hard time at 30 hours because its reeeaally booooringggg, should I skip to the sequel?
 

Tibarn

Member
Oct 31, 2017
13,370
Barcelona
9 mazes give you the recruit, which then in turn unlocks the final tenth maze. The tenth maze completion gives a trophy, not much other reason to do it other than using it to farm for the rarest of materials. Likewise with recruiting, there's not much reason to unless you want completion, trophies.

It depends what you want out of the game. More people in town means more people to eventually put into material farming for you. The skill she has is already attained from another recruit that you can get anyway, if that's what you're worried about.
Thank's a lot!
I'm giving up on the kingdwom building tbh, I don't know if I will even evolve town to level 4 because it's tons of waiting and sidequesting, and by then I suppose I'd be killing the last boss and wrapping up the game.
 

Renmyra

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
681
Something can be simple, yet challenging and surprising. And something can be simple, as in braindead.

I really feel it's the last here. This isn't the simple to learn hard to master kind of thing. It's just button mashing with little thought or skill involved. But it looks beautiful.

I'm pretty dissapointed at this evolution in jRPGs. We used to only have one series like this: Tales of. But now pretty much every jRPG is taking that as a template. I guess Bandai Namco being the publisher for both has something to do with it.
Tales combat is way deeper. There's also plenty of challenge in the games if you bump up the difficulty to max.
 

AngelL0ls

Member
Oct 28, 2017
263
Wellington, New Zealand
Thank's a lot!
I'm giving up on the kingdwom building tbh, I don't know if I will even evolve town to level 4 because it's tons of waiting and sidequesting, and by then I suppose I'd be killing the last boss and wrapping up the game.

I mean it's entirely up to you on what you want to get out of the game, are you a completionist or just in it for the experience. If it is the latter then upgrading the kingdom and collecting the citizens isn't needed at all and you can just ignore it.

I enjoyed the game, not as much as the first but I also didn't go into this expecting it to be better or anything like that. I paid for this expecting a decent JRPG to tide me over for a while until God of War in April. It's by no means a bad game, but I'm not going to stand on a hill and fight that it's a masterpiece, cause it's not.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,260
I only need to finish 50 different skirmishes now for the platinum. And i want to finish sidequest 117, which seems to be broken. I need to get smelly shoes for Morgan but if you've upgraded your kingdom enough such low quality items will not drop anymore. On reddit someone pointed out that they were able to get a set of smelly boots from a chest or vendor in one of the dreamer's mazes, but you gotta be reallllyyy lucky I guess. So protip for those going for 100% run: DONT SELL YOUR SMELLY SHOES.

I'm at chapter 6 and don't have any smelly shoes. I already did the better loot research so goodbye platinum.