Are you a home owner? I feel like even 75" is pushing it for my apartment, I know I definitely couldn't make 85" work until I move into a house. This is the only reason flexible/rollable screen tech is interesting to me.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Are you a home owner? I feel like even 75" is pushing it for my apartment, I know I definitely couldn't make 85" work until I move into a house. This is the only reason flexible/rollable screen tech is interesting to me.
Yes, and that size TV will be perfect for our basement (big space where we'll sit 11-12' from the screen)
What is bullshit about it, it's true. I have a B7 myself, HDR Game Mode with 4000 and 10000 graded content has an effective APL that looks similar to running SDR around 40-50fL, some content looks closer to 30fL. Other TV's who's tone mapping targets high APL look more similar to 80-90fL SDR. Personally sets should include two options for tone mapping, one the preserves high APL and one that preserves highlight details. I can't imagine this would be very difficult.
Nah, I'm only able to do one nice thing for myself every year, next year just happens to be TV time.
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Surprised to see that it supports 1440p@120Hz (not at 4:4:4 chroma but still)
I mean, if the TV was going to have HDMI 2.1 I'd wait, but the cost of that 85" set from Sony MSRP is $5,300. EVEN at 50% off it will cost $2,650 which is pushing $3k. I'm not a big baller lol. And from what I understand, even next years TVs won't have HDMI 2.1. That Cleveland Plasma user is a retailer that specializes in high end TVs, but then again, as a retailer you definitely want to say something like that to sell TVs.
For some reason, I can stomach $2k on the 75" and have it now rather than wait 6 more months and pay $3k for a TV w/o HDMI 2.1. I actually needed a TV years ago when the last high end Samsung Plasma (PNF8500) was phased out. Highest size at the time was 64" with 60" being their "standard" and now we're pushing 65" as the standard and 85" at the extreme end. Maybe years from now 75" will be the standard :)
So I keep flip flopping...
Cards on the table.... I have up to $1300 to spend in the US, I want a 65" 4k TV the best most future proof one I can get. Which one should I get? The new ones are coming out shortly right? Should I wait for those?
I want to do mostly 4k gaming on PS4 Pro, X1X and PC. I will also be watching some NFL football and NHL hockey.
What do you guys think? I hate to keep asking but it's so hard to decide and I need the experts help here!
Cards on the table.... I have up to $1300 to spend in the US, I want a 65" 4k TV the best most future proof one I can get. Which one should I get? The new ones are coming out shortly right? Should I wait for those?
I want to do mostly 4k gaming on PS4 Pro, X1X and PC. I will also be watching some NFL football and NHL hockey.
What do you guys think? I hate to keep asking but it's so hard to decide and I need the experts help here!
Lol. Can you imagine? I'm buying an OLED this year and then waiting for 2.1 to get the 85"+. If it's 2019 or 2020, I really don't care too much, but there are a lot of folks that will be pissed.
Na no way, all you have to do is swap presets, they are identical, show me proof, 2016 you may have a point, but not for the 2017 sets.
Edit: I came from a 1300nit LCD which when it came to tone mapping, would not roll off, but go for max brightness. The B7 is much better for HDR, it would have been a blunt force trauma, if it acted like you say, just change the preset whilst playing something, with active HDR off
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Yes. I'm climbing the walls waiting on the Rtings review.
People are sleeping on this set because of how shitty the 2017's were. Early talk has it going toe to toe or even surpassing the Sony Z9D.
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It's the only thing stopping me from buying one right now. This weekend is the lowest the B7 will probably go in the UK before it's phased out (£1380 for a 55" at the moment) but I have anxiety about this HDR game mode issue and don't know if I should hold out till BF 2018 for a C8 instead. I wish I had a friend with one or something so I could see it for myself :/
If possible, wait until reviews come out on the 65" TCL 6 (releases May 1). That will basically be the only FALD set in your price range, and it has HDR10 and DV.
Only reason I say wait for reviews is that Sports viewing was the one area the 2017 TCL sets got dinged.
Still don't know why I'm not (literally) seeing the greatness of HDR. I'm going to keep fiddling with settings but whether HDR or Dolby Vision, I'm not wowed like people here and elsewhere on the net are. My TV before the B7 was a 2012 3D LG LED...it was pretty good for awhile but certainly not anywhere near a 4K OLED. I wish I could understand what's going on.
I know it's not the TV cause I just returned the 55" and I had the same issue, not feeling like HDR was this game-changer. :(
I know it's not the TV cause I just returned the 55" and I had the same issue, not feeling like HDR was this game-changer. :(
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What content are you watching?
Edit: jordn613 skimmed your post history. It seems you expected the wrong thing from HDR maybe. It's more vibrant color paired with enhanced contrast and peak highlights basically. For me the HDR effect is most apparent on dark scenes with lights, like neon signs, or car headlights. Even indoor daytime scenes where the super bright windows don't ruin the dimness of the room. If you don't see a difference in AC origins I'm not sure what to tell you. Are you on HDR Game? HDR content has a crisp depth to it that is immediately apparent.
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Try going to best buy and asking for a proper HDR demo in the magnolia room. Also, download something on a USB and ask them to play it on various sets.
I've tried with various Netflix shows that have HDR or Dolby Vision. I've tried Blade Runner 2049 on Vudu. Downloaded some of the LG demos from a site online. Played some Uncharted 4, AC: Origins, Ratchet and Clank. I get the HDR symbol (or Dolby Vision) in the top right, so by all measures it's on.
I've mostly tested it in a room in the daytime with blinds closed but also some at night. I'm hesitant of the Best Buy idea because of how they mess with the settings but yeah, I guess I should ask to try it in the test room with my own control over things.
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Nah man, you would notice at your house, it's not super subtle imo, especially on an OLED. What pre set are you using? What are your settings? If you watched Altered Carbon and didn't notice immediately, I don't know what to tell you. Make sure you use the LG's Netflix App, and you're settings are correct.
Went to Best Buy hoping to see the X900F in display but no dice so I ended up spending my time staring at the LG OLEDs and the Sony OLEDs. Don't think I can do a full array LED after seeing how much better the blacks and viewing angles are on the OLEDs. They did have the new Samsung QLED 8F on the floor though and I was very impressed with that (pretty good viewing angles) but the 65" is 3k, might as well get an OLED at that point. I think I'm just gonna keep my plasma for a while until I desperately need a replacement TV. Just not sure the upgrade is worth parting with all that cash at this point.
During Altered Carbon it seems the "right" choice is either Cinema Home or Technicolor expert, yeah? The stuff that actually is now looking the best to me is YouTube HDR demos, especially ones at 60fps.
I'm a bit confused as to when then ISF modes are available and when they're not. In HDR content they're not, I guess.
Will probably only be in a few. Manufacturers cheap out like crazy. Even Sony is still only putting 2 HDMI 2.0b inputs even in their flagships.
I am just going to laugh if something new is developed causing a lot to wonder if they should bite the bullet or keep waiting even though HDMI 2.1 a big one.
Welp, I've been looking at OLED TVs for almost a couple years now and I've finally got a 65'' B7 being delivered a week from Saturday.
After all my research, I'm still a bit scared about the dimness in the HDR game mode. From what I've read, it seems like you can mitigate a good bit of the dimness by bumping Dynamic Contrast to medium without screwing up the colors much.
I know folks were just talking about this on the previous page, but could any B7/C7 owners chime in on their thoughts with HDR game mode? In particular, I'm wondering if my TV ships with an older, pre-dim HDR game mode firmware, if I should avoid updating it? I don't really need any of the smart features as I have a PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, and I'll be using the TV almost exclusively for gaming.
After all my research, I'm still a bit scared about the dimness in the HDR game mode. From what I've read, it seems like you can mitigate a good bit of the dimness by bumping Dynamic Contrast to medium without screwing up the colors much.
I know folks were just talking about this on the previous page, but could any B7/C7 owners chime in on their thoughts with HDR game mode? In particular, I'm wondering if my TV ships with an older, pre-dim HDR game mode firmware, if I should avoid updating it? I don't really need any of the smart features as I have a PS4 Pro/Xbox One X, and I'll be using the TV almost exclusively for gaming.
How some people would have preferred Rian Johnson remaster The Last Jedi disc as opposed to making it near theatre reference quality... just saw this pic someone made of the criticisms that HDR doesn't pop and that there isn't more black and color saturation overall.
I don't think the complaints are about the throne room scenes at all but yeah from what I've seen the film looks fantastically mastered if not to everyone's preferencesHow some people would have preferred Rian Johnson remaster The Last Jedi disc as opposed to making it near theatre reference quality... just saw this pic someone made of the criticisms that HDR doesn't pop and that there isn't more black and color saturation overall.
I do not have a 2017, but for my 2016 the smart features are completely separate from firmware updates. When my LG was at peak game mode, I blocked all firmware updates in my firewall and I'm 100% up to date with smart features.
FWIW the LG apps are better than what you'll get with the game consoles. Their OS is legit.
Lol, someone made this in regards to the complaints about HDR not popping enough. I feel it also hits home to what people think HDR should be. It is not all neon colors and saturation but wider color gamuts and expanded brilliance and nuance which would be lost. The Last Jedi as a movie itself uses a subdued palette with lots of soft colors, greys, dark scenes devoid of much and so people say it isn't a good reference disc or to show off HDR. But they are missing what 4K resolution, HDR and a good remaster are. Watch the blu-ray disc (which itself is a reference disc) and then the UHD disc note how much better the HDR especially Dolby Vision looks. You will see the lightsabers and their hues, the Pretorian guard costumes, the binary sunsets be realistic and spectacular etc.
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Primarily the built-in apps like Netflix, YouTube and Vudu but I also used a usb stick for some HDR demos. And then my PS4 Pro.
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Can you post a photo of you running an HDR game, and bring up the TV settings as well? I'll see if i can match the game you're running, and take a pic with and without HDR? Maybe HDR just aint doing much for you... but before jumping to that conclusion, wanna make sure you are actually viewing it
I notice a few places have started putting up the C8 on their websites here in the UK.
The price for the 55" you ask?
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Yeah Im good thanks. B6 for another year.
The price for the 55" you ask?
A cool
£3,000
Yeah Im good thanks. B6 for another year.
How some people would have preferred Rian Johnson remaster The Last Jedi disc as opposed to making it near theatre reference quality... just saw this pic someone made of the criticisms that HDR doesn't pop and that there isn't more black and color saturation overall.
I don't understand why they used so many different cameras, 2 film and 2 digital (different resolutions).
It has it good moments, but also has it's bad moments. DP Steve Yedlin tried to hard to come close to the original films.
Used Rtings settings for my B7. I always used Rtings for settings on past TVs, but they're not wowing me on this one. Any recommendations?
Hmmm. Yeah, I'm especially surprised if at least the 4K HDR demo clips over the TV's USB, since that bypasses any other hardware, aren't showing a noticeable impact since many of those really push the format to where it should be extra noticeable when it's working.
Yeah.
100% agree. Rachet looks so beautiful on my OLED. Still one of my quick recommendations for checking out games on these new sets if someone's looking for something to try out quickly on their new Pro.
Yeah, good stuff.
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How some people would have preferred Rian Johnson remaster The Last Jedi disc as opposed to making it near theatre reference quality... just saw this pic someone made of the criticisms that HDR doesn't pop and that there isn't more black and color saturation overall.
lol pls that's a little over the top
If you have a Citi card and use price protection, you can get the 65" of that model for $1400, shipped and no tax. That's what I did to get mine this week.
geesus! To put that in context, in December, I paid £2399 for a 65" B7.
E: Man, it's £4500 for the 65", £2100 more than I paid! So I'm assuming the B8 will be £4000?
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https://www.avforums.com/threads/lg-oled55b7v-best-tv-picture-settings.2106641/
For me NiNoKuni 2 did the trick. I saw a very stark difference between HDR and non HDR. Especially the colours.
It even does game interpolation at 24ms! Never seen that on any TV ever.
Well I was in your position a few months ago, trust me, when I say, you have nothing to worry about, it's fantastic.
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