You've clearly read the thread I see. Also, feel free to expand on your point
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Jordan Peterson - The "Intellectual" We Deserve
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You've clearly read the thread I see. Also, feel free to expand on your point
Nintendo Switch doing his gimmick again. If he's proven wrong he won't reply back. I bet if someone agrees with that post, the'll glomp into them.
Isn't the fedora hat tongue-in-cheek? If not, that's hilariously bad, but I figured the fedora was there for a reason, and its scripted.
This seems like the most common-sense way of thinking about the pros and cons of the death penalty.
This seems like the most common-sense way of thinking about the pros and cons of the death penalty.
Even better is when he's like "I've been thinking very carefully about this for many years"
pretty sure a guy who regularly responds to fake twitter accounts is completely unaware of the fedora wearing meme
That's the worst kind of posters you can find in a forum.
Talking about the old place, the worst kind of trolls used this method to make it seems like they're winning or some shit.
Luckily here I've seen people try to pull this shit and get banned for it so I don't really care if he tries it.
But he's sooooooooooooooooo rational!
birds of a feather...
He realizes Trump's MAGA platform was one big identity politics game, yeah? The "identity" in that situation being Americans?
Advocating for whites is not identity politics. That is what we have learned.
while men!
If you try to do something for women, even white women.
Then it's feminism and identity politics.
I'm guessing it was a link to this, for anyone who wishes to be enlightened:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/cib.2.5.8716
Listen up, girls - get down on your knees and savour Peterson's modestly correlated semen.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.4161/cib.2.5.8716
Listen up, girls - get down on your knees and savour Peterson's modestly correlated semen.
If you google "intelligence semen" there are a lot of links to studies saying the same thing.
But he gives such good advice, and is like a daddy to so many boys on this forum that need a firm hand to tell them when to go to bed and clean their rooms!
(joking ;))
https://twitter.com/DIsaac8/status/979874998289547264
Runned into this while on twitter. I'm not really surprised Jordan wasn't accepted as expert witness in court, still those quotes from court documents were bonkers. I highly recommend everyone to read these, it will be worth your time. This I solemnly promise, to the court of Era. :D
Edit: Why my twitter link is stupid and doesn't show preview? :(
Runned into this while on twitter. I'm not really surprised Jordan wasn't accepted as expert witness in court, still those quotes from court documents were bonkers. I highly recommend everyone to read these, it will be worth your time. This I solemnly promise, to the court of Era. :D
Edit: Why my twitter link is stupid and doesn't show preview? :(
You gotta use the media-embedding feature. Use the "movie reel" icon in the editor. Like so:
Also, lol @ this charlatan. Courts not taking his shit, nice.
That first sentence tho. Unfounded arrogance. Damn.Haha amazing.
That last sentence. Oof
This is brutal. It's also pathetic reading some people trying to make excuses or create some conspiracy theory.
It's acrumptious.
It is literally the opinion of the Court that Peterson ain't shit.
"Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia John Anderson talks to Jordan B Peterson." (3/27/18)
Never heard of this Anderson dude. Does he disagree with Peterson in the video?
tl;dr - what a shitload of fuck
Wow. Well, I made it about 28 minutes in before I started skipping ahead to a few sections. It's a shame there was no transcript (at least that I saw in any obvious place) so I could get through the whole thing quickly. What a mess. So, here's summary and reaction to the first 28 minutes and a few of the latter sections:
John Anderson mentions a quote from Winston Churchill and how great societies are partially judged by how well they pass along culture from one generation to another - hero tales, faith. If that fails to happen, the youngest generations are left without a sense of direction.
Peterson's reply: Memory is meant to teach us lessons so that we can better structure our future. Cultural memory helps provide us with purpose. Without purpose, our existence is comprised of only suffering. Taking on responsibility/purpose is necessary to mitigate the suffering of life - we must have some "call to adventure" to maintain our culture. We must motivate people to transcend themselves.
(on freedom)
Freedom in the positive sense is not the freedom to do whatever we want, but rather the freedom to choose the burden we bear in life. We should communicate to young people to carry the heaviest burden they can, because that will give them the most noble purpose, and provide them a reason to wake up every day.
(on archetypal themes and his lectures)
Archetypal themes are called such because they are lasting and they describe society. It's human nature. Our experience is a pattern that we cannot put together all on our own, but the representations are all around us. We fall into them when we see them in movies, for example. The lectures Peterson gives are apparently so popular because people recognize these patterns. "You've given me the words to say what I already knew was true."
(now for a shift to religious thought)
John Anderson: Atheists don't live like atheists.
Jordan Peterson: I respect atheists because they've thought about the concept more than most fundamentalists.
JA: A lot of young people are told morality is relative, but then they don't live that way.
JP: If you live that way, everyone hates you! If you value yourself, and you value others, society functions. Sam Harris is Judeo-Christian to the core, but he doesn't realize it!
JA: People of Christian faith fought slavery, and also led the civil rights movement. The left doesn't want to recognize the Christian aspect of these movements. Doesn't that say something about our willingness to distort truth?
JP: We whitewash what happened in the USSR, and with Mao. The death tolls were horrible!
JA: We don't learn about this anymore!
(remaining summary, no names)
Terrible things happen when equality is made the primary goal of a political system - just look at the communist societies just mentioned. The left has some appeal to it. You come across a homeless beggar, probably mentally ill. You think that the downtrodden should be lifted up. But as soon as you start making equality the focus, you end up with millions of corpses. Appeal to compassion is thoughtless.
We should only focus on equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. The left don't believe in real diversity, they want everyone to say the same thing, they want to change how we speak, etc.
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Wowweee! How did we get from Jordan Peterson telling people to strive for responsibility/purpose, to crying about how people tell him how he's helped them, to communist corpses and fuck the left? (Oh, and some bit in there about the left shunning religion.)
A lot of what Peterson said is very obvious, and are things I've read previously. Anderson and Peterson both have this idea in their mind that treating each other with dignity and value and striving for equality are religious or even Christian values. This is hilarious. For one, citing the Christianity of recent figures of positive change doesn't indicate one bit whether or not religion specifically made those people do the things that they did. The Golden Rule wasn't conceived by Christianity. The fact that Peterson and Anderson even say we can see how society functions better when people value each other gives an easy secular perspective. Calling Sam Harris a Judeo-Christian is laughable.
I have no idea what they're referring to when they talk of the death tolls in communist dictatorships, and how it's apparently not talked about or acknowledged by leftists today. They're straw manning the left, and with really shitty examples, too. The left doesn't argue that the homeless mentally ill beggar should be making the same wage as a surgeon. They argue that he should have access to adequate healthcare to deal with his problems, and have opportunity to change his life. In fact, the very thing Peterson starts off talking about!
But there were Christians who were totally into slavery, as well.
They're talking about the Black Book of Communism in which Communists have killed 100 million people. They never explain how communism itself would lead people to kill millions of people and never recognize the amount of people capitalism kills.
Well, Stalin was indeed a monster. Whether or not capitalism starves more of its people than communism is beside the point. The left, by in large, do not seek communism.
It's not beside the point when your whole thesis is that individualistic capitalism is the only possible moral system and literally any Marxist thought or analysis is a direct route to the death camps
They only talk about the stuff they've cherry picked as "deep" or whatever. They dismiss the crazy stuff as him just "asking questions" or some shit.
I'm not defending Stalin but is there anything in communism itself that requires the killing of millions of people? Capitalism deaths aren't beside the point when the ones who usually bring it up think capitalism is perfect.
Reads like strawman to me. One of the most well-known stances on capitalism is:
"it's not perfect, but it's the best we have."
I don't think anybody in this discussion (and JP included) thinks capitalism is perfect.
I think what made communism really insane under Stalin especially is that he created a personality cult surrounding him and he murdered any other that opposed him it was about keeping power.
Also during the revolt against the Russian Tsar it was an idea of workers revolting against the establishment but it turned ugly pretty quickly with vengeance attacks and the execution of the entire Russian royal family including the children.
They became the very thing they fought against an autocratic government that had no problem murdering anyone who questioned them same thing happened in North Korea and in China with Mao, even though China despite having human rights issues changed quite a bit over the last 30 years.
But the common denominator is power and wanting to hold on to power by any means necessary.
I dont believe capitalism is the problem at all but cronyism is I have no issues with the basic idea of capitalism but when crony capitalism took over is when things started to go wrong.
Even with saying it's the best we have while saying communism kills millions of people disregards how many people die under capitalism. The killing is one of their main points.
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