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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh
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I'm almost positive it's just the Kree that we've seen from the future.
It'd be a shame if it wasn't at least a bit tied in to Infinity War.
I have the feeling Simmons saying that they are invincible as just a way to get through to Fitz and have him beat back his mental block. I doubt she actually believes it.
Also, we don't know what Coulson was doing at/after the breaking of the world. The only way to save him is to make him the destroyer of worlds, but due to his instability it backfires. Hence he has to die.
Also, we don't know what Coulson was doing at/after the breaking of the world. The only way to save him is to make him the destroyer of worlds, but due to his instability it backfires. Hence he has to die.
I think "the saving him makes the world end " message is vague enough for lots of speculation. What if it's saving him from Hydra and not dying? I can see Daisy going off to save him, getting captured and then being forced to become the subject that gets experimented on. Might not be about saving Coulson. Then Coulson dies anyway and we get the future where neither of them seem to appear because both are gone.
Great episode. I hope Talbot survives. Be interesting to watch this final stretch and see how the loop is broken and who could potentially die.
Also interested to see any connection or nod to IW or Thanos. They could easily end this season and have it wrap up before the events of IW. However, I feel IW is too big of an event to leave Team Shield on the sidelines. If they did that and the show is renewed, then I wonder what they would have in mind for a new season. Season six would premiere after Ant Man and Wasp, and run through the events of Captain Marvel (set in 90s however) and A4.
Also, I'm stoked to see Coulson confirmed for Captain Marvel.
And man, Daisy got no right to act that way after she was Hived for multiple episodes and tried to take out Shield.
Also interested to see any connection or nod to IW or Thanos. They could easily end this season and have it wrap up before the events of IW. However, I feel IW is too big of an event to leave Team Shield on the sidelines. If they did that and the show is renewed, then I wonder what they would have in mind for a new season. Season six would premiere after Ant Man and Wasp, and run through the events of Captain Marvel (set in 90s however) and A4.
Also, I'm stoked to see Coulson confirmed for Captain Marvel.
And man, Daisy got no right to act that way after she was Hived for multiple episodes and tried to take out Shield.
The whole invincible bit makes me think they might pull something (with fatal consequences) to try to break the loop.
Couldn't Fitz reinstall the inhibitor chip in Daisy so she couldn't use her powers? Isn't that part of the reason Daisy would have refused, because she doesn't want there to be a chance for her to use her powers to destroy the world? Since Daisy was able to use her powers to put the Gravitonium in the container, couldn't they just put back the chip?
If it has to be done, Fitz Simmons are probably willing to sacrifice themselves to end the loop. You will get a sad last dinner before the deed is done and then it happens.....
The fact that we are just wildly speculating about what's going to happen and who does what is why this show is the best on TV.
Not really. Someone infused with Gravitonium busts the world in half. Doesn't mean that it was Daisy. She was just there when it happened.
I wonder if they will go all the way all and sbow us a few loops of what happens when they try to make small changes and failing to prevent the Earth from blowing up.
Got to make use of their sets and location as many times as possible!
Got to make use of their sets and location as many times as possible!
Whether or not it's tied to Infinity War, they're gonna have a heck of a time trying to explain why the Avengers aren't getting involved now that a giant alien ship is coming to Earth.
Hey we're SHIELD, we can handle this, we got a shotgun axe and everything. You Avengers can just sit this one out.
They made a mistake not waiting until the AOS was finished and getting that creative team to make the Inhumans show.
It's possible. My understanding is that it takes someone with the right manipulated DNA or existing related powers (like Quake) to be able handle the infusion. No normal human could withstand the process.
What Avengers? Do you mean those on the run, or those under gov't lock down?
Yup. He also had some more absolutely glorious lines.
They also did a great job adding a lot to Hale and explaining Ruby in just that one flashback.
The Hydra School scene was amazing, also Whitehall doing some ultra creepy Hydra teacher work seemed so fitting.
Yeah. Lots of possibilities. Like BrokenFiction said, this is just so good.
LOL
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I found it weird how everyone (the characters and also people here, I guess?) are so easy on Fitz. Like, for me that was clearly an irredeemable moment - breakdown or not, when he realized he was 100% in control of his actions and STILL went through with the fucked up procedure? Like, you're a bad guy now. That's bad guy activity. The fact all he got was a quake to the face is like... tremendous restraint on Daisy's part. Particularly when he shows almost zero remorse for it.
When you bring up the other stuff - his actions in the Framework, Daisy being Hived, that sort of thing - I get the argument, but it just feels different to me. Like, this isn't indoctrinated Fitz, this isn't hypnotized Fitz, this isn't mind-controlled Fitz. This is Fitz. He strapped a close friend to a table and performed invasive, dangerous surgery on her, despite her sobbing protests, fully aware of what he was doing. Dude's so far past the line I don't think I could ever see him as a hero again.
When you bring up the other stuff - his actions in the Framework, Daisy being Hived, that sort of thing - I get the argument, but it just feels different to me. Like, this isn't indoctrinated Fitz, this isn't hypnotized Fitz, this isn't mind-controlled Fitz. This is Fitz. He strapped a close friend to a table and performed invasive, dangerous surgery on her, despite her sobbing protests, fully aware of what he was doing. Dude's so far past the line I don't think I could ever see him as a hero again.
I can forgive him, but like you said, Daisy showed a ton of restraint there. As far as I'm concerned, she can take as long as she wants to work that out. Or maybe she never does, I dunno.
Well it was either that or let the fear dimension keep growing and engulfing the world, potentially being the actual thing that breaks the world (remember, Daisy's biggest fear is destroying the world. And the fear dimension makes fears real so...).
It very much could've been handled better but Daisy herself said she wouldn't have agreed to it.
The ones who the government will be on their hands and knees begging for when the aliens attack. So probably not Hawkeye.
They were still held at gunpoint by an android that was reprogrammed to ensure that the operation went through and they had nothing to stop it
I found it weird how everyone (the characters and also people here, I guess?) are so easy on Fitz. Like, for me that was clearly anLike, you're a bad guy now. That's bad guy activity. The fact all he got was a quake to the face is like... tremendous restraint on Daisy's part. Particularly when he shows almost zero remorse for it.
Also this leaves out the fact that the circumstances required Daisy's powers and otherwise a hole in reality would have caused the end of the world and countless deaths so it was a life-or-death situation where he had to perform the surgery given the prospect consequences otherwise
And the remorse part is understandable: "I don't want to do it but I have to" perfectly encapsulate his position and that while he is unhappy about what he did he can't really say something like "if I went back I would have done it another way" because he honestly could not considering that the alternative was letting everyone die
Good call, especially since the show is similarly about an ensemble cast.
They've already handled the Inhumans (as well as their own budget limitations) 100 times better than Scott Buck ever did with mostly no-name Inhuman characters. I'm sure they could have done all the caste system and royal family politics in a much more compelling and complex way.
Marvel even pissed away all the build up AoS did for the Inhumans on their own show. You could see the gulf in quality in how they handled Terrigenesis on The Inhumans compared to AoS. Regardless how people feel about the Inhumans as a franchise, you have to admit the AoS team could have done something good and Scott Buck just ruined any chance it had to be decent.
I struggled through all of it and no, they didn't do a damn thing to connect it to the bigger Marvel U. Not even a throw away line from the scientists like, "We just found a hidden base on the moon... maybe we should call SHIELD?" Like c'mon, it's easy stuff. But then again that show was just a mess.
Good. Now the entire MCU including the TV universe can just ignore it like a bad fever dream.
Hmm, now that I'm thinking about it, there was a brief mention of an influx of inhumans on Earth (which was the result of the stuff happening on SHIELD). But yeah, that was it. They can totally sweep it under the rug and do it again in a few years if they want without breaking any of their established timelines, rules, etc.
I think I remember them mentioning something about Inhumans popping up on Earth because of the fish oil pills. That was the most they did.
There's little chance it's actually Daisy who destroyed the world in that timeline.
Maybe they do something dumb like put Coulson in the Gravitonium chamber to try to save him from his curse and it backfires forcing all the gravitonium energy outward.
Another fantastic episode!
Going back and watching season 1 is quite jarring because the difference in the amount of locations and effects work is night and day. The writing is way better now though.
Yeah she looks like an alien but she's so beautiful.
Going back and watching season 1 is quite jarring because the difference in the amount of locations and effects work is night and day. The writing is way better now though.
Yeah she looks like an alien but she's so beautiful.
Huh. That would make sense with what Future Yo-Yo said about having to let Coulson die.
I'm getting caught up now.
Missed every episode since the return and am about to do #3.
DEKE IS FITZSIMMONS SON
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Everything about this return is crazy
Missed every episode since the return and am about to do #3.
DEKE IS FITZSIMMONS SON
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
Everything about this return is crazy
Not letting Coulson die is the trigger every action Daisy has taken so far. YoYo's made a mistake in not saying anything.
Finding out he's dying is what's making Daisy hardline focused on him, and causing brash movements, like dragging Robin back in to this (which May wholeheartedly objects to given that Robin becomes her surrogate daughter after Daisy). Daisy's so intensely focused on Coulson, she's making shitty decisions.
My guess is that her and Ruby fight and the gravitonium is caught in the crossfire.
Honestly when they were describing the perfect man for the infusion, my first thought was that they were making Creel. Maybe he becomes gravitonium?
-Stealing SHIELD data for her hacker boyfriend who was selling it
-Turned on SHIELD, taking down a quinjet and causing legit damage to join her psycho mom
-Hive
-Ran off, becoming a rogue SHIELD vigilante and abandoned SHIELD as a whole to take out the Watch Dogs
-While heroic, she did betray Hydra within the Framework, as well as Ward (her fiancée and field partner within that reality)
She's done it a few times (with the most recent being a weird technicality). So if betrayal is the big sin (it isn't), then Daisy's side of the scale is hefty.
Finding out he's dying is what's making Daisy hardline focused on him, and causing brash movements, like dragging Robin back in to this (which May wholeheartedly objects to given that Robin becomes her surrogate daughter after Daisy). Daisy's so intensely focused on Coulson, she's making shitty decisions.
My guess is that her and Ruby fight and the gravitonium is caught in the crossfire.
Honestly when they were describing the perfect man for the infusion, my first thought was that they were making Creel. Maybe he becomes gravitonium?
I literally fist pumped when he did that. Y'all keep referring to Hive, but let's not forget:
-Stealing SHIELD data for her hacker boyfriend who was selling it
-Turned on SHIELD, taking down a quinjet and causing legit damage to join her psycho mom
-Hive
-Ran off, becoming a rogue SHIELD vigilante and abandoned SHIELD as a whole to take out the Watch Dogs
-While heroic, she did betray Hydra within the Framework, as well as Ward (her fiancée and field partner within that reality)
She's done it a few times (with the most recent being a weird technicality). So if betrayal is the big sin (it isn't), then Daisy's side of the scale is hefty.
Two things.
1. I always love it when self righteous characters get their own past misdeeds thrown in their faces.
2. Hale knows that Deke is related to Fitzsimmons. It shouldn't be a brainbuster for her to put two and two together and realize he's from the future after Coulson told her that.
Bonus: gotta get them Quaker dollars, but at least Coulson knows what's up with the Oops! All Berries.
1. I always love it when self righteous characters get their own past misdeeds thrown in their faces.
2. Hale knows that Deke is related to Fitzsimmons. It shouldn't be a brainbuster for her to put two and two together and realize he's from the future after Coulson told her that.
Bonus: gotta get them Quaker dollars, but at least Coulson knows what's up with the Oops! All Berries.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Get on that social media folks!
Im going to pretend this is a terrible April Fool's joke.
Edit: hmmm can't seem to find the article or any other source saying the show was canceled. You making a fool outta me?
Get on that social media folks!
Im going to pretend this is a terrible April Fool's joke.
Edit: hmmm can't seem to find the article or any other source saying the show was canceled. You making a fool outta me?
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Well done. Definitely got me. Here's hoping we can avoid that fate for real.
You can make it less obvious. As an example, AoS contract is extended for three seasons, while it is not