Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite

Zippedpinhead · Apr 1, 2018

Hey i've Got a mechanics question about the dice, a question about player movement, and one last question about movement.

1: are two six sided dice used?
2: what is the dice order? Is it numerical in a set order by job or is that set via RNG?
3: Spaces are all open at day beginning. I'm taking this as all spaces are considered open at day beginning so players going earlier in the day can land on spaces currently occupied with four players that have not yet moved. Is this correct?

Thank,
Zipped

Xbro · Apr 1, 2018

Wait, so can you buy properties?

Android Sophia · Apr 1, 2018

Xbro said:
Wait, so can you buy properties?

I don't see anything about property buying in the rules?

Xbro · Apr 1, 2018

Sophia said:
I don't see anything about property buying in the rules?

Neither did I but someone brought it up earlier

Android Sophia · Apr 1, 2018

Xbro said:
Neither did I but someone brought it up earlier

There was Royal asking about it pre-game:

Royal_Flush said:
Just for clarification: Property spaces are, as according to the game rules, functional empty spaces, right? There is no money and one can not buy any property. I'm strictly talking about the base ruleset and ignoring roles or cards that somehow may or may not interact with property spaces.

Another question: Night actions resolve before the tokens are moved, right?

But his question appears to have gone unanswered.

Ketkat · Apr 2, 2018

Zippedpinhead said:
1: are two six sided dice used?

The game is definitely using two six sided dice based on where everyone landed. The only people that are outside of that range are people who had cards or the duck who I'm guessing rolled doubles.

Speaking of that, the boot definitely had a community chest that pushed them onto the electric company. Its not possible to roll a 12 and stay on that space since that's doubles.

I get what people are saying about not focusing on that too much, but keeping up with the chances of someone getting a night kill seems important.

Geno · Apr 2, 2018

Ketkat said:
The game is definitely using two six sided dice based on where everyone landed. The only people that are outside of that range are people who had cards or the duck who I'm guessing rolled doubles.

Speaking of that, the boot definitely had a community chest that pushed them onto the electric company. Its not possible to roll a 12 and stay on that space since that's doubles.

I get what people are saying about not focusing on that too much, but keeping up with the chances of someone getting a night kill seems important.

??? Boot could've gotten a 4 4 and then a 3 1 or whatever

Ketkat · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
??? Boot could've gotten a 4 4 and then a 3 1 or whatever

Yeah, that's true. I shouldn't post at 3 am

Fandorin · Apr 2, 2018

Zippedpinhead said:
2: what is the dice order? Is it numerical in a set order by job or is that set via RNG?
3: Spaces are all open at day beginning. I'm taking this as all spaces are considered open at day beginning so players going earlier in the day can land on spaces currently occupied with four players that have not yet moved. Is this correct?
Thank,
Zipped

2. This seems to be the biggest question. Considering the rule that a player will move to the next space if the one he landed is already full, it's clear there's an order for each token to move.
I don't think it's a RNG thing, at least not one rolled every phase.

3. Yes, I think that's exactly it. Occupied spaces from previous dice rolls won't affect the board.

Kalor · Apr 2, 2018

If there is priority then we can figure out some of it based on the current state of the board. Like with the two squares full of four, we know that at least some of the icons on Pentonville Road probably have priority over the ones on Euston Road.

Kalor · Apr 2, 2018

Wait, I messed that up. We know that some of the icons on Pentonville Road probably roll later than the ones on Euston Road.

The Bear · Apr 2, 2018

Fandorin said:
Still missing quite a few players. KetKat came in only to say "hi" and left without actual game talk.

Even some of the players who have shown up have only talked about the game mechanics. Also interestingly players that I've connected to being active have been quite absent/quiet, although that might be due to eastern.

Zippedpinhead · Apr 2, 2018

It's a game with a high degree of movement and complexity into the base game. Likely understanding movement, cards, and tokens will have little to do with the actual scum hunting of the game.

However, We are playing a known cosplay game (essentially all our tokens are known cosplay characters). We don't know what they do, but it's different than usual games.

Royal_Flush · Apr 2, 2018

I'm very disappointed that questions regarding public mechanics seem to not get answered by the moderation. If you make a mechanic public answer questions to it. Do in hypotheticals if you are afraid of giving away additional info by accident.

I don't think it makes a big difference that we know the tokens in play. I would assume they are completely unrelated to the roles, so I have to disagree with Zipped on that front.

Kalor · Apr 2, 2018

Royal_Flush said:
I'm very disappointed that questions regarding public mechanics seem to not get answered by the moderation. If you make a mechanic public answer questions to it. Do in hypotheticals if you are afraid of giving away additional info by accident.

I don't think it makes a big difference that we know the tokens in play. I would assume they are completely unrelated to the roles, so I have to disagree with Zipped on that front.

The tokens are probably tied to roles in some way. I wouldn't be surprised if we had roles that targeted tokens rather than the actual player.

Faddy · Apr 2, 2018

Royal_Flush said:
I'm very disappointed that questions regarding public mechanics seem to not get answered by the moderation. If you make a mechanic public answer questions to it. Do in hypotheticals if you are afraid of giving away additional info by accident.

I don't think it makes a big difference that we know the tokens in play. I would assume they are completely unrelated to the roles, so I have to disagree with Zipped on that front.

Here is my decision on this.

I will not answer any speculative questions at all. Everything that you need to know is in the opening posts.

If you think something isn't clear you can ask your fellow players or you can send me a PM where I can direct you to an answer.

Fandorin · Apr 2, 2018

nin, where are you my man?

Geno · Apr 2, 2018

This might be a stretch but I have a hunch that scum can't kill normally in this game. Think about it, we are all Tokens, Faddy told us that powers have ranges, this tells me that night abilities don't target players, but tokens. Same probably applies to night kills. Which brings me to my point, revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token.

Kyanrute · Apr 2, 2018

This comrade finds the idea that the example powers given would differ from the ones the proletariat holds almost as foolish as the idea of private enterprise. Comrades, why expect the break from the given when there is nothing to suggest such a thing?

Kalor · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
This might be a stretch but I have a hunch that scum can't kill normally in this game. Think about it, we are all Tokens, Faddy told us that powers have ranges, this tells me that night abilities don't target players, but tokens. Same probably applies to night kills. Which brings me to my point, revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token.

That's what I'm thinking. Only one of the abilities from the cards have a range but the other cards without ranges might just be exceptions to make them more useful. The community chest that reveals a players token definitely suggests that they're important. Otherwise getting it revealed wouldn't be a big deal.

nin · Apr 2, 2018

Okay, first of all sorry. I wont be around until later this evening, but then with full force.

Geno · Apr 2, 2018

Kyanrute said:
This comrade finds the idea that the example powers given would differ from the ones the proletariat holds almost as foolish as the idea of private enterprise. Comrades, why expect the break from the given when there is nothing to suggest such a thing?

I struggle to understand what you are saying, can you speak normally?

Zippedpinhead · Apr 2, 2018

Ketkat said:
The game is definitely using two six sided dice based on where everyone landed. The only people that are outside of that range are people who had cards or the duck who I'm guessing rolled doubles.

Speaking of that, the boot definitely had a community chest that pushed them onto the electric company. Its not possible to roll a 12 and stay on that space since that's doubles.

I get what people are saying about not focusing on that too much, but keeping up with the chances of someone getting a night kill seems important.

See that's the reason why I asked, since no one was above 12 spaces rolled I could not tell if it was 2 six sided dice with the double mechanic in place from Monopoly, OR if it was 1 12 sided dice and no double mechanic. If someone moves more than 12 spaces tomorrow, then question answered, if not then question persists.

However, I guess it probably doesn't matter.

Ketkat · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
This might be a stretch but I have a hunch that scum can't kill normally in this game. Think about it, we are all Tokens, Faddy told us that powers have ranges, this tells me that night abilities don't target players, but tokens. Same probably applies to night kills. Which brings me to my point, revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token.

That would make sense, but if that is the case, I feel like scum might have the ability to figure out who is what token. I really doubt that community chest card is the only way of revealing tokens.

Zippedpinhead said:
See that's the reason why I asked, since no one was above 12 spaces rolled I could not tell if it was 2 six sided dice with the double mechanic in place from Monopoly, OR if it was 1 12 sided dice and no double mechanic. If someone moves more than 12 spaces tomorrow, then question answered, if not then question persists.

However, I guess it probably doesn't matter.

Well, the double mechanic is definitely in. The rules talk about how if you roll doubles three times you go to jail. It'd be pretty weird if it didn't use two six-sided dice, but we'll definitely know tomorrow for sure.

nin · Apr 2, 2018

Interesting to see all players on the table but do not know who rolled what.

Kyanrute · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
I struggle to understand what you are saying, can you speak normally?

Comrade, the cards have abilities that target a token, target a player, target a space, one card even has a range limit on it. Why would the player powers be limited to targeting tokens only? The cards suggest the very opposite.

Bronx-Man · Apr 2, 2018

My commie ass is regretting not signing up for this game.

DCPat · Apr 2, 2018

Kalor said:
That's what I'm thinking. Only one of the abilities from the cards have a range but the other cards without ranges might just be exceptions to make them more useful. The community chest that reveals a players token definitely suggests that they're important. Otherwise getting it revealed wouldn't be a big deal.

I don't think this is enough reason to reveal roles. I'd like people to keep them to themselves. You don't know how it works. To dangerous.

The Bear · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
This might be a stretch but I have a hunch that scum can't kill normally in this game. Think about it, we are all Tokens, Faddy told us that powers have ranges, this tells me that night abilities don't target players, but tokens. Same probably applies to night kills. Which brings me to my point, revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token.

While you may be correct, let's not jump into conclusions about how night kills work. Nobody should reveal their roles more hastily just due to false sense of security.

Kalor · Apr 2, 2018

DCPat said:
I don't think this is enough reason to reveal roles. I'd like people to keep them to themselves. You don't know how it works. To dangerous.

I don't think we should reveal roles. I'm just agreeing with the targeting tokens idea.

Geno · Apr 2, 2018

For the record I wasn't saying we should mass claim, just trying to figure out how the game works.

The Bear · Apr 2, 2018

Geno said:
For the record I wasn't saying we should mass claim, just trying to figure out how the game works.

Your post wasn't advocating a mass cclaim, but "revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token." did sound like a slight role fishing to me anyway.

nin · Apr 2, 2018

Grizzly said:
Your post wasn't advocating a mass cclaim, but "revealing your role in this game might be ok as long as you don't reveal your token." did sound like a slight role fishing to me anyway.

I don't see it as role fishing, more like thinking out loud.

Since I played also with the idea of talking out loud and saying that in this case it would be more damming to know where you are instead of knowing which role you possess.

Those are my two cents

nin · Apr 2, 2018

The '
pointing it out something not so damming and making an elephant out of a fly in order to look good in the eyes of the others while just pointing out something that might not be something that bug to begin with'
Could also be seen as something worth mentioning.

My follow up to the two cents I lost in the post before.

Thinking out loud of course

nin · Apr 2, 2018

As soon as the Easter festivals are over is when I will go into full mode. Up to now not much has happened unfortunately. Not that I want something to happen, besides conversations of course.

nin · Apr 2, 2018

Feel free to throw the 'you post too much without any content' reasoning at me while I am away.

BRB in 5 hours.

The Bear · Apr 2, 2018

nin said:
I don't see it as role fishing, more like thinking out loud.

Who knows, you may be right. But at this early stahe of the game it could be scum dropping an innocent looking post to fish, especially since it's based on speculation that we can't really confirm for now.

nin · Apr 2, 2018

Grizzly said:
Who knows, you may be right. But at this early stahe of the game it could be scum dropping an innocent looking post to fish, especially since it's based on speculation that we can't really confirm for now.

That is indeed true, just wanted to respond to it before it could blow up into something. Early stages of the game and maybe you are correct and he was indeed rope fishing
e_e

nin · Apr 2, 2018

I was to make clear that from the game setup we have before our eyes I think that knowing the position of someone is worth more than knowing what role they possess.
Therefore it would be best to keep quiet about where you are on the board atm.

Fandorin · Apr 2, 2018

Geno has an interesting take on it. I do buy the idea that scum can't freely choose their targets, some limitations should be in place.

However, I don't think token targeting is the only way for a kill, and there are probably means of identifying which token someone is as well.
Like all mechanics discussion, best bet is to keep it in mind till we get more information.

Apollo · Apr 2, 2018

Speculation about how scum NKs work won't get us very far today with nothing concrete to work with. Plus, most tokens are clumped together as it is so, at least for tonight, most kills are going to be possible if range does play a factor.

VOTE: Zippedpinhead

What was your reasoning for opening your first post hinting towards the token you received? Obviously none of us are likely to know what tokens you prefer to play as, but it seems like a weird comment to make nontheless.

Zippedpinhead · Apr 2, 2018

I thought it was interesting. nothing more. In a game where an Iron can be replaced with a cat, but other replaced pieces are in this game I found it interesting that I was one of the pieces I like to play as. Its not my favorite piece, but its up there.

Zippedpinhead · Apr 2, 2018

took a look at the cards on page 1 now that i'm on a PC, Oxford street is a death trap!

DCPat · Apr 2, 2018

Oxford street is that place with an hotel when you are out of cash.

Xbro · Apr 2, 2018

Okay, I hate to be hung up on the properties, but on the keywords, property space specifically says spaces that can be bought. Were this an actual game of monopoly, you would only be able to 'kill' someone if they landed on your property. It would make sense to have some limiting factor on kills because this does not seem like a short game.

Stuart444 · Apr 2, 2018

True, Monopoly in general isn't usually a short game, especially with a lot of players.

empressdonna · Apr 2, 2018

Zippedpinhead said:
took a look at the cards on page 1 now that i'm on a PC, Oxford street is a death trap!

That card is certainly going to cause chaos, especially if someone is unlucky enough to get the card to get to a free space, which ends up being oxford and someone else has that card.

Stuart444 · Apr 2, 2018

Imagine if people could buy properties. I'd feel bad for anyone who buys Oxford Street only for it to get demolished.

Brazil · Apr 2, 2018

I'm just gonna do the Stan and say that this mechanics speculation is boring and pointless as all hell.

SweetNicole what do you think of Kyan immediately trying to figure out who ended up with a card today?

The Bear · Apr 2, 2018

Brazil said:
I'm just gonna do the Stan and say that this mechanics speculation is boring and pointless as all hell.

SweetNicole what do you think of Kyan immediately trying to figure out who ended up with a card today?

There's multiple players who haven't posted about anything but the mechanics/cards so far, it makes me feel worse about all of them.

I think it's interesting that lot of players I usually read as active and aggressive as town have been very quiet and feeble for now, Nicole being one of them. I don't know if it's just due to holidays, but it's at least interesting.

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