This. While it isn't a great look on London... two months worth of stats is an almost worthless metric.
A quick search of homicides during 2017 seems to point towards 130 in London vs 290 in NY.
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London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever after spate of fatal stabbings/shootings
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This. While it isn't a great look on London... two months worth of stats is an almost worthless metric.
A quick search of homicides during 2017 seems to point towards 130 in London vs 290 in NY.
I used to work in live events and had a Leatherman in a pouch on my belt. I bever knew of this law at the time so you could imagine the look of horror on the tube when I pulled it out to sharpen my pencil so I could fill in my work diary.
Anything that is 3 inch or under and is not lockable is legal.
However I think cops can deem anything a lethal weapon, and confiscate it.
Its odd people were shocked by your leatherman if its for your job and had a specific purpose also letherman look more like a tool then a threatening knife.
I carry this on my keychain lol.
Why is this effect specific to London though?
Gangs in New York have social media too.
Maybe social media is also a contributing factor over in the states too?
Anyway most knife attack seem to be gang affiliated in London at least, the victims aren't always from gangs but the attackers often are connected to one in some way.
Yep
A good friend of my brother's was straight up murdered over Facebook beef. Insanity to take internet shit slinging that seriously, but that's today I guess :/
Remember it's a different generation of people now, some people fear forftheir lives becausebsomeone has a beard.
Anyway, this was the Leatherman for those that aren't aware can still be menacing enough to some.
Nah gentrification has already drove people put of the urban areas of London , you can't gentrify areas with council estates and low unemployment just for the sake of stopping gang activity
Gentrification has ruined London.
So the opposite of that, thanks.
Anyway, this is typical Tory government social ennui.
All we need is a good riot and the Tories in a fucking bin.
Admittedly I don't think I've ever heard of a Leatherman before seeing this post, but if I saw someone pull this out on the subway car I'm riding on right now in Philadelphia, I'd be pretty concerned...Remember it's a different generation of people now, some people fear forftheir lives becausebsomeone has a beard.
Anyway, this was the Leatherman for those that aren't aware can still be menacing enough to some.
Sadiq Khan did say he'll do everything in his power to lower stop and search by police in 2015.
Just recently he's said they'll be a significant increase in stop and search.
Whether there was a reduction since 2015 I don't know but police cuts and lack of stop and search will give people confidence in carrying knives. More knives means others will be carrying them for protection too, it's an awful spiral.
Just recently he's said they'll be a significant increase in stop and search.
Whether there was a reduction since 2015 I don't know but police cuts and lack of stop and search will give people confidence in carrying knives. More knives means others will be carrying them for protection too, it's an awful spiral.
Banning guns is the most effective way to stop gun crime, proven time and again the world over. It is not even debatable.
Ouch. Thanks for giving a small breakdown of the situation. Was helpful to me.
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Think we need to bring back stop and search and allow it to be targeted or be used more disportionately against minorities within London.
As the problem seems to lie within gangs made up typically of black men and boys.
As the problem seems to lie within gangs made up typically of black men and boys.
I don't think people are *blaming* social media.
Rather, that young teens are instigating gang warfare over social media and sending each other videos of fights and stabbings to goad one another. And then it gets circulated to everyone and their uncle and normalised. It's a factor.
There are some fucking horrible areas of London and Greater London. I live about three miles south of Croydon. I have no intention of ever stepping foot in that cesspool.
Rather, that young teens are instigating gang warfare over social media and sending each other videos of fights and stabbings to goad one another. And then it gets circulated to everyone and their uncle and normalised. It's a factor.
There are some fucking horrible areas of London and Greater London. I live about three miles south of Croydon. I have no intention of ever stepping foot in that cesspool.
People need to stop with this fucking bullshit about croydon.
Explains all the knife-free since 20xx posters and banners up in various parts of the city. But seriously it isn't as bad as it was 10 years ago. It went on the rise till some high profile deaths - siblings of famous people and then started to decline. While it has increased, it remains to be seen if these past two months are an outlier or part of an increasing trend. I mean I remember a time when you needed to show id to buy a metal spoon at some supermarkets we aren't there yet. And this would happen with cuts and other factors.
Then blame states with lax gun laws. Many of the illegal guns come from there.
So basically get rid of the poor so those rich folk can move in, got you.
Problem is in London all the poor people are already on the outskirts. It is why these areas have got so bad with gangs. So like shit is worse for moving the poor into shit rundown areas.
Cameras and laws onlyatter to people who follow the law or care about getting cought.
It's about carrying a knife on you in public but the issue is that stop and search policy has targeted minorities, and the success rate of actually finding something was like 1%.
I mean, before this point London was safer than the safest big city in the United States.
It's called stop and search.
I'm half black and have been subject to it but understand it's for the greater good. Politicians need to stop listening to the moaning of certain communities because the facts speak for themselves. It's the product of a perfect storm of May's ineptitude as Home Secretary and Khan's as Mayor. Having more PCs on the streets wouldn't hurt too, and a zero tolerance approach to even minor crime as per NY under Giuliani
I'm half black and have been subject to it but understand it's for the greater good. Politicians need to stop listening to the moaning of certain communities because the facts speak for themselves. It's the product of a perfect storm of May's ineptitude as Home Secretary and Khan's as Mayor. Having more PCs on the streets wouldn't hurt too, and a zero tolerance approach to even minor crime as per NY under Giuliani
I am pragmatic. Whilst stop and searches might annoy me, if they reduce crime i'm for it.
Stop and search isn't working if only minorities get stopped due to racism
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Pretty much. I lived in New York a while back, in one of the "least safe" areas just north of the Bronx (Mt. Vernon), and it was fine. It's safer than LA, Dallas, San Francisco, or numerous other cities in the US.
That said, I didn't know real safety until I moved to Asia. In my city of almost three million people, we generally only have about ten murders per year (and that's high for this part of the world). Strict gun laws and strong social safety nets work.
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It's worth remembering the people who died at Grenfelt. Plenty of buildings are still up with that cladding. People got bored of being mad at them and let it slip. This is how it always goes with the tories. String it out long enough that people get tired of waiting for the repurcussions
And whats wrong with Croydon..too much diversity for you aye?
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Smdh at all these people trying to make this out as a policy issue. It's a police funding issue. If you have less police on the streets, people will feel less safe. When people feel less safe, they take measures to protect themselves, and when they have weapons, they eventually use them.
May removed four fucking thousand police from London's streets, that's over a 10% reduction.
May removed four fucking thousand police from London's streets, that's over a 10% reduction.
Like folks are actually drawing conclusions about bloody gun control because London for one month, and the first time ever, had all of exactly one more murder than NYC except NYC is not even all that relatively high on the US murder rate city list:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
But sure anti-gun control folks you've totally exposed the gun control myth, the gun control hoax.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html
4 US cities in the top 50 Deadliest cities in the whole world.
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/
But sure anti-gun control folks you've totally exposed the gun control myth, the gun control hoax.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world.html
4 US cities in the top 50 Deadliest cities in the whole world.
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Our despicable Tory government won't be satisfied til we are all dead or penniless.
They don't care about the police force, the don't care about the health service, they don't care about the disabled, the elderly or the poor.
All they care about is lining their own greedy pockets.
They don't care about the police force, the don't care about the health service, they don't care about the disabled, the elderly or the poor.
All they care about is lining their own greedy pockets.
So you'd rather have this alternative? I don't understand the logic behind "it's not working" when it actually does reduce knife crime.
We have racial profiling in other instances and no-one makes much of a fuss - e.g. FGM in the Somali community
Which is more scary: double digit murders or single-digit IQ?
There is some real mental gymnastics in this thread. This has been a problem that has been brewing for decades, not just 2 years.
I suppose Khan is responsible for the rising gun and knife crime rate in Birmingham too?
I suppose Khan is responsible for the rising gun and knife crime rate in Birmingham too?
So you are saying stop and search being used to harass minorities is worth it if it reduces knife crime? (Which is actually still going on and is clearly working lol)I am saying it needs to be used properly instead of black dudes being stopped all the time. I get stopped at least once every time I am in London.
Not sure why you bring whataboutism into this? Two completely different things that both need reducing in different ways
Lol
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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936
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NYC: 55
London: 45
Conclusion: Don't make this about making dumb remarks about gun control.