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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh
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Ew.
I mean, if you're going to try and do an April Fool's joke, it shouldn't be that obvious (terribly written article, an image of an article rather than a link, etc.).
I mean, if you're going to try and do an April Fool's joke, it shouldn't be that obvious (terribly written article, an image of an article rather than a link, etc.).
Whitehall never was in "prison" hydra part of shield put him in prison but in reality he could do whatever he wanted. The prison was just appearances.
That's why he could do so much bullshit experiences. Not to mention all the stuff he did before he was caught.
You can think of whitehall as someone who never really stopped untill coulson killed him
If Shield were to get cancelled. It should be with Season 6 due to Avengers 4 wrapping the current MCU up.
1) Surely this confederacy thing is a simple way they're going to tie the show to Infinity War?
That by screwing this deal with them, they allow Thanos to make his move.
2) Yeah, it is a bit weird how okay May + Mack were with Fitz. The previous episode was written and shot to paint it as a trust ending, largely unforgivable fucked up thing.
He's not wrong about Daisy being a brat / betraying the group slightly before, but this did feel dramatically different.
He'd have a better leg to stand on if he had even suggested it (having Daisy quake the Gravitonium) as a possibility to the team
3) If I was Gemma / Fitz, I'd break the switch blade immediately and therefore ensure the timeline could be changed (as well as get a quick glimpse as to what might happen to Deke :-/ )
It's actually what I expected here to do after that moment with Mack.
4) Talbot, oh my god. The poor man. God, I hope they have a more hopeful future for him.
That by screwing this deal with them, they allow Thanos to make his move.
2) Yeah, it is a bit weird how okay May + Mack were with Fitz. The previous episode was written and shot to paint it as a trust ending, largely unforgivable fucked up thing.
He's not wrong about Daisy being a brat / betraying the group slightly before, but this did feel dramatically different.
He'd have a better leg to stand on if he had even suggested it (having Daisy quake the Gravitonium) as a possibility to the team
3) If I was Gemma / Fitz, I'd break the switch blade immediately and therefore ensure the timeline could be changed (as well as get a quick glimpse as to what might happen to Deke :-/ )
It's actually what I expected here to do after that moment with Mack.
4) Talbot, oh my god. The poor man. God, I hope they have a more hopeful future for him.
Is it so weird that Mack and May were okay with it? Mack may not have been a bad guy, but he has his daughter's death on his concience. Also May was third in command at Hydra. She did some shit.
Break them both so that Deke doesn't receive his own switchblade from his grandpa.
Just caught up. I loved Talbot's Hydra slurs toward Hale way too much. And I think this alien threat has nothing to do with Thanos and Infinity War. But ill eat crow if it does.
And Im loving the "punished" version of Fitz a lot more than I thought I would.
And Im loving the "punished" version of Fitz a lot more than I thought I would.
Yeah i doubt it has anything to do with Infinity War. The season finale probably end right before or right as Thanos gets to Earth. We might see the cast watch a news report or something but that'll be it and then maybe some aftermath next season if there is one.
I was three episodes behind but I finally caught up. The last two episodes were great, the evil Fitz episode especially.
As amazing as that is, it is unfortunately an old photo and not from Captain Marvel, as badly as I want it to be.
Remember though, the movie was moved up a week recently. So if they planned any sort of tie-in or reaction to the events of the film, it would be in the final two episodes of the season.
Yup, they're setting us up pretty hard.
But these writers are pretty smart, so they know that we know that they're setting us up hard.
So good.
here come dat boi
All I see here is a youth in the mid 90's.
Yo-Yo's new look. Spoiler tagged if you don't want to see it yet.
That's not bad.
Them moving the movie up means that there are 4 episodes after Infinity War.
Fitz did nothing wrong. On top of pointing out all the times Daisy threatened others he should have threw the fact Lincoln was willing to sacrifice himself to save Daisy when she wasn't willing to risk/sacrifice her life with the surgery when it was the only way to save the world.
How do you do, fellow Hydra kids?
here come dat boi
How do you do, fellow Hydra kids?
If he doesn't do this in CM then Imma be mad.here come dat boi
YeeeeahYo-Yo's new look. Spoiler tagged if you don't want to see it yet.
We about to get them heavy punches
Daisy's been willing to sacrifice herself though, so that would be an unnecessarily low blow. Fitz is practical and pragmatic, not petty. He's not going to throw something that low in her face if he doesn't have to.
That said I wouldn't say Fitz did nothing wrong. Strapping her to the table and surgically removing something she left in because she was (rightfully) scared of the planet-cracking potential she has, while she's crying and awake. Like, he's crossed a line, even if it was necessary.
Nope, there are three episodes after Infinity War releases. There would have been two but they moved the film up a week.
So if there is any reaction or tie-in, it would not be in the first episode after Infinity War (5/4). It would be in the last two on 5/11 or 5/18.
What was the alternative in this situation though? He crossed the line but he had to because of Daisy's cowardice.
"I forced my friend to become a human weapon again, despite her protests in order to activate this science goop, all for the greater good!" is some straight up supervillain shit. Like, that's damn near something out of Watchmen.
Like, Daisy holding back is an issue, no doubt. But she has a right to bodily autonomy, full stop, and violating that is way over the line.
Fitz is playing in Dr. Doom territory with that move. Justifiably evil, maybe - but still evil.
Like, Daisy holding back is an issue, no doubt. But she has a right to bodily autonomy, full stop, and violating that is way over the line.
Fitz is playing in Dr. Doom territory with that move. Justifiably evil, maybe - but still evil.
I really don't think Inhumans could be done justice on a TV budget unless we're talking about Game of Thrones tier.
To be fair, Doom is on the right side of things most of the time.
In times of crisis, pragmatism always outweighs idealism.
Yep, and this should give us some incredible stories soon. Like Fitz is gonna be killed and
we gettin' frozen Fitz once the loop is broken
Daisy put her bodily autonomy over the bodily autonomy of everybody else on the planet given they's all die in the fear dimension. Not to mention that but her first action after she gave Fitz a load of hypocritical bullshit was to to put a child's life at risk for the greater cause (who clearly lacks the ability to consent to being okay with putting her life on the line to save the world). He's clearly being framed in a negative light given the gore (despite other shield actions putting more people at greater risk) along with the fact Daisy's a friend and a 'hero' but the only difference between Fitz and Daisy is that Fitz is aware of the scruples of his choices and sympathetic to those he has to endanger. No shit supervillain Daisy Johnson is the one who blows up the planet when her thought process is do whatever the fuck she wants with little to no thought and expecting there to be no consequences, which was something even Deke called her out on after knowing her for a short time.
The show has done a pretty good job presenting the fact that there was no alternative. That's not the argument here. The argument is the means, not the ends.
Regardless of how you feel about Daisy, the situation she has been put in all season has been a terrifying one. She finds out she destroys the world and has done everything in her power to stop it. In fact, much of her character within the series as a whole has been her trying to take control of her life, and she has been nothing but controlled, manipulated, and groomed for lives she doesn't even know she wants.
Daisy's arc has been about trying to take control of a life in which she has none. To create stability (the irony of her powers). Fitz is another person who has betrayed her and controlled her against her will. And he's the second person to do this, the first being Coulson when he ICEd her.
If you can't see that what Fitz did is horrifying, even if technically correct, then man I don't know what to tell you.
Lets not forget that Fitz had to do it because someone did that to her in the first place.
It wasn't until after Daisy found out she's likely responsible that she wanted it to stay in.
As a viewer/external factor it's very easy to say what Fitz did was necessary because he had the solution to a runaway problem that had to be fixed there and then or that was it.
I'm not arguing what Fitz did wasn't horrific and that Daisy's arc isn't tragic. I'm arguing it was the morally good action to take, that calling him evil or comparing him to Doom is bullshit, and that people demonising Fitz probably play a role in stripping innocents of their autonomy for far less benefit than saving the world e.g. wanting affordable clothes or electronic goods.
Nor could I but she's getting something that was forcibly implanted, forcibly removed.
The ONLY issue is that she didn't want it out, because she thinks she's responsible for the end of the world.
We know she's wrong because the show obviously isn't going down that road, she doesn't see it like that but she's being selfish if it could save the lies of a town, or what Fitz explained could've also been the whole planet anyway.
Besides, she's not giving up her life to save people; damn rip a piece of metal out of my neck if it meant saving the world.
In a fictional hypothetical world what if Fitz didn't? Write another way I guess.
But they didn't, that's the point, do it or game over.
He chose to save lives for an inconvenience.
i was trying to justify the fitz thing to myself and all of a sudden i realized i was doing the a few good men speech.
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves lives*. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a *damn* what you think you are entitled to!
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves lives*. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a *damn* what you think you are entitled to!
So, Daisy had made a choice...in order to prevent the possible end of the world, she decided to remain depowered. Fitz violated the choice, knocked her out, and did something completely against her will, because he thought it was the right thing to do.
So, Daisy had made a choice...in order to prevent the possible end of the world, she decided to remain in the future. Coulson violated the choice, knocked her out, and did something completely against her will, because he thought it was the right thing to do.
Also, remember that Daisy was NOT enthralled when she dropped to her knees in front of Squidward and begged him to take her back. Yes, she was not mentally right due to her withdrawals from her addiction to the thrall, but, then again, that's pretty much the same thing as the Framework and Fitz (which is why Mack and May understand him).
So, Daisy had made a choice...in order to prevent the possible end of the world, she decided to remain in the future. Coulson violated the choice, knocked her out, and did something completely against her will, because he thought it was the right thing to do.
Also, remember that Daisy was NOT enthralled when she dropped to her knees in front of Squidward and begged him to take her back. Yes, she was not mentally right due to her withdrawals from her addiction to the thrall, but, then again, that's pretty much the same thing as the Framework and Fitz (which is why Mack and May understand him).
Throwing out that Fitz has sacrificed before, at least twice. Blowing open the window and giving Jemma the Oxygen tank. He also offered to give himself up to the police, post Framework, and take the blame for all of what happened (LMD's, Talbot). Think he also jumped in before anyone else could stop him, when teleporting to Maveth to find Jemma.