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London murder rate overtakes New York for first time ever after spate of fatal stabbings/shootings
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New York City has the strictest gun regulations in the US, so I don't get that.
The place I grew up in in london is now heavily gentrified yet crime hasn't dropped substantially. Petty crime has even risen I think , all anecdotal stuff so I'm glad to be called out about it
It's not really bullshit, Croydon is well known for being a shithole full of violence, gangs and knife crime.
But it's not to harass minorities, it's to prevent crime by providing a deterrent.
Probably could have done more damage with a rented uhaul and some fertilizer.
Cuts to policing are only one part of this problem. Far more destructive is the reduction in social programs that have a proven effect in reducing gang violence. With local authorities becoming ever more cash-starved, youth outreach and intervention teams are frequently first on the chopping block. Not London, but my town has 4 empty council properties that previously housed youth organisations.
Both New York and London have absurdly low murder rates. And New York has some of the tightest gun control in the nation.
Edit: Shoulda read whole post before responding. Bravo, good troll.
What a way to describe one of London's most diverse and busiest parts. The same way trump was lambasted for his shithole comment about African countries you need to be for this BS. Stop pushing your racist narrative and get educated
You aren't getting what I said or are doing it on purpose. Stop and search is a good idea, but the way it has been carried out isn't. It has been called out loads of times in the press and by prominent POC, for how it is prejudice towards POC, especially black men. So yes the way it is being used is to harass poc.
When black people are 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched, you know something isn't right
There's nothing at all racist about pointing out how much one area of a huge city is fucked up and has a notorious bad reputation. It has nothing to do with the diversity in the area, everything to do with how infamous Croydon is for it's links to gang, knife and gun crime. This isn't something completely pushed at minorities, plenty of white English people in Croydon are scum too, so please fuck off trying to make it something racial.
https://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/all-about/crime
Educate yourself.
Linking to the crime page for the Croydon Advertiser shows how miss informed you are, they don't just cover Croydon they also cover it's surrounding areas.. basic research skills 101 is providing a reliable source fuck sake.
You sound just like those idiots that where sprouting their no-go zone nonsense last year without knowing much , does Croydon have crime .. yes just like any other part of the country .. Gangs .. yes like every other part of the country so signalling out Croydon which predominantly has an ethnic make up of POC you ain't doing your self any favours
There's acknowledging an area with a high crime rate.
Then there's the almost " no go zone" type bollocks like "I'm not stepping foot in that cesspool" kind of shit.
Of course, every local news outlet in the Country links to surrounding areas, the point was that you should use it to see the major Croydon crimes aren't down to minorities or POC and not just label the bad reputation Croydon has on nothing more than race.
I never called it a no go zone, I called it a shithole full of violence and crime. I'm not wrong.
Whereabouts?
I don't think it's a nice city. I travel through there every day on the way to work. The high street is depressing. The Whitgift centre is awful. It's rundown, intimidating and dangerous. I have two young boys and I'd far sooner let them out in town than anywhere near Croydon at the weekend.
Who on earth do you think you are? I live about a mile from there but have to bow down to your sanctimonious bollocks about how it's some rainbow place of sunshine. Jog on.
Its not the fault of the Croydon population that the Whitgift has not had any reasonable level of investment in a long time, blame the owners and local council for that. But hey i never knew cesspools are given £1.4 Billion pound shopping centres As for intimidating and dangerous you must be inhaling scarecrows gas on a daily bases to get that impression you have nothing but anecdotal feelings that amount to nothing , If you think the High street is depressing you clearly live within a bubble and have never been to any other high street before. I dont know where you got that impression i said Croydon was a paradise to live in , it has its problems like any other area does. I feel sorry for your kids to have such a narrow minded bigoted parent
Have you seen the current crime stats for the UK according to area ?
From the article:
So it sounds like London is getting more dangerous while NYC is getting less dangerous. And there were several articles within the the past few years about NYC's declining murder rate.
Yeah, the number of murders has been growing recently, but it's still lower than it was a decade ago and still low for a city of London's size.
Yup, this confirms it...
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936
To date:
NYC: 55
London: 45
Conclusion: Don't make this about making dumb remarks about gun control.
Well as someone who lives in the UK I haven't seen jack all knife control efforts, so they can say whatever efforts they believe they making.
But I hear the words ' I'm gonna shank you' online and on tv far more than I've ever seen something about knife law/punishment
Two shootings in London in the space of an hour have left a 17-year-old girl dead and a boy, 16, critically ill.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43624392
Another one RIP kid.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43624392
Another one RIP kid.
The real answer is social reform that aims at treating the real causes of these events not just the symptoms which in this case is access to weapons
Yep, have lived in Croydon for 14 years since I was 19 and other then the occasional mouthy kid or drunk dickheads I have never had any issues.
The only thing you have to deal with is the general public being unaware or selfish idiots being loud or getting in the way but that's the same everywhere you go.
Typical Croy-boy, can't accept the facts that Croydon is a festering shitehole.
Name one good thing that has come out of Croydon. One.
See...you can't.
It's full of normal people who are just getting on with their lives?
It's exactly the same as any other busy city, it gets crowded, people in general are oblivious arseholes, kids can be annoying but to paint it as some hell hole is ridiculous.
I live right in the centre of Croydon and I have never felt unsafe to walk around. At most the amount of people can make me anxious but never because of fear for my safety.
I think saying Croydon is a relatively criminal place is fair, I mean compared to the rest of the country it stands out. Not to say it's the biggest craphole in the world but people aren't just pulling this out their arse.
That's just terrible. God I can't imagine what the mother must be thinking. Another day I'm glad I don't live in London, honestly.
That's just terrible. God I can't imagine what the mother must be thinking. Another day I'm glad I don't live in London, honestly.
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Jesus, I hadn't realised the place was infested with Croy-boys.
We have very different definitions of normal people getting on with their criminality *ahem* normal lives when it comes to Croydon.
Croydon isn't too far off from the likes of Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham as places to avoid at all costs. Cesspits as far as the eye can see.
I'm not coming after you personally because I don't know you but I really take umbrage with the idea that mixed people (or black people for that matter) can't spout racist or racially charged opinions because they have some level of melanin in their skin.
Some of the most racist or racially prejudiced comments I have heard in my life have come from mixed and black people.
You might mean well with what you are saying and I'm not going to argue your general point, but reminding people of how brown you isn't a defence in and of itself.
Na mate, Tory cuts are the issue. Absolutely nothing at all to do with our current Mayor.
There is nothing wrong with Birmingham, nor Manchester or Liverpool. Millions of people live their day to day lives never being in contact with any of this.
Basically this post comes across as *AVOID THE POORS!!* Poor taste dude.
There's plenty of poors in London too. Come on, my dude. You're reaching here.
But yet you are the one calling cities filled with millions of people "cesspits".
Honestly, even if you have narrowed it down to handsworth/Aston, Moss side/Cheetham hill or Liverpool town centre on a Saturday night, I still would say you are being incredibly unfair.
The level of generalisation you are committing to is offensive and unfair. Yes these cities have their rough areas and yes they do have common problems but you can't just right off an entire city because of it.
Not gonna lie. Any time a thread like this is made, you really see the ugly side of this website. Some of the comments here would not be out of place on a Daily mail article.
Cuts to resources and removal of positions can sometimes take years to work its way through a system, especially one as big as the MET.
You don't just cut something on Monday and see the negative effects by Wednesday. That's the problem, people forget who made the cuts and only blame the person in front of them.
In the same way that I imagine some people in old mining towns now blame immigration for their lack of opportunities.
It is interesting though that it declined during the recession, yet rose starting from the economy's uptick. Are there any explanations for that? You can't even clearly attribute it Cameron. And there's a lot of stuff you should be able to clearly attribute to Cameron.
Yeah, the number of murders has been growing recently, but it's still lower than it was a decade ago and still low for a city of London's size.
I work all over the UK at events. I was tech for the East Side City park World cup rugby a couple of years ago and the client had arranged the accommodation, which was 10 days in the luxury Travelodge above Tesco in the city center. I couldn't go outside for a smoke without being harassed for cigarettes or 'saves' there's a homeless food van that pulls up in the evening behind Tesco and I saw three fights whilst we were there. It was a five minute walk from the hotel to the park, and even at 8 am there would be groups smoking weed and drinking. When I chatted to one of the officers who was stuck at the event, he told me that despite the numerous options homeless people have in the city, several chose the life they have, and when you walk around the city center, there are lots of people in doorways. Interestingly, when I mentioned the weed, I admitted I was a smoker, and told him how distinct the smell was in in the area near the park (the council went for a stepped gradient with small gardens and accidentally created a skate park:D) he wasn't interested at all. Pretty much admitted that they'd given up on it!
So because you were bothered by a bunch of homeless people somehow that justifes the previous posters comments?
As for the police officers comments, gonna call bullshit on that. Homeless services around the country have seen massive cuts, as have drug treatment and mental health services. Even the ones that still do exist have been hamstrung by the universal credit system which punishes the homeless before they even get a chance to receive help.
He may think there is plenty of options and maybe more than a decade ago he would of been right. But austerity have hit the homeless and the people at risk of homelessness the very hardest. There isn't even half the support their once was and the support there is no is down to voluntary organisations and charities.
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I remember there were a few articles on this. Some attributed this to cuts in education funding that occurred around this.