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stalfos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Conversely, I've gotten 4 crit boosts and like 9 or 10 crit eyes but I still haven't seen an attack jewel other than the free one lol
 

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Quick question about Elderseal: is it worth it?

Should i prioritize weapons with high Elderseal or is it better to just exploit elemental weaknesses?
 

Number45

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is this all from melding? Did they change up the RNG after update?
My attack gems have all come from hunts - I think the only decoration of value I've had from melding is the mighty bow gem (and I got another from hunts last night).

On that point, what's the point of a 124 point value gem? The maximum you can use in the meld is 108 points.
 

SunhiLegend

The Legend Continues
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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't tried melding but I do have a bunch of critical boost and weakness exploit jewels from hunts, also got an attack jewel last night from an Odogoran Hunt. :D

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I don't even think I've done much hunts, my total investigations number is around 170 and I think only about half have been tempered.
 

Skittles

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Oct 25, 2017
8,276
I'm gonna guess no, based on how slow the content has been coming out. We're in April and we've had one actual content patch :|
I mean, it's barely been 2months since the game released. Not sure why people are expecting super quick patches when the amount of work one new monster takes is absolutely massive.

Hopefully kirin's subclass monster brings an actual good lightning longsword. Most of our elemental weapons are assss
 

Juraash

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's going to be close, but I think it'll just barely outdo Jagras with the right augments. It being Rarity 7 is a pleasant surprise.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this is close at all. Way more raw, 2 augments, capable of white and still able to use elementless. Jagras as the end game of GS was already debatable and this seems better in basically every way.

Unless you really needed the slots Jagras gives you to attain a specific build, I'm not sure why you'd still take it after this.
 

Gxgear

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Oct 25, 2017
1,160
Vancouver
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how this is close at all. Way more raw, 2 augments, capable of white and still able to use elementless. Jagras as the end game of GS was already debatable and this seems better in basically every way.

Unless you really needed the slots Jagras gives you to attain a specific build, I'm not sure why you'd still take it after this.

Note it comes with less white than pictured.
 

Kufkah

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's going to be close, but I think it'll just barely outdo Jagras with the right augments. It being Rarity 7 is a pleasant surprise.
It's far from close! This is way better than the Jagrass GS unless your build really require the gems. Higher base damage, white sharpness and can benefit from non elemental skill! -15% affinity is way too easy to get rid of!
 

Juraash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Note it comes with less white than pictured.

Well yeah, but if you are running any of the white sharpness GS you'll have a handicraft build anyways.

White, from my understanding, scales substantially better with buffs and changes to attack because its mutlplier is taken into account after everything else. The fact it is pure raw and can hit white should make it a clear winner.
 

Morrigan

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Drop rates for horns+ (Vaal and Kushala, at least) really, really need a patch. Breaking the head doesn't even guarantee a horn in the rewards, which is ridiculous. Horn carves are incredibly rare, swear to Satan I've carved gems more often than horns. And even with investigations with gold and silver rewards, I still get throwaway parts like claws or tails (without even having cut the tail!) more often than the goddamn horns. And of course, you typically need like, 1 or 2 tails at the most for a weapon or armour set, but you typically need 5-6 horns for the same amount of loot...

Meanwhile, you don't cut the monster's tail, and still get tails, often more than one, in rewards? What?

Last night I farmed Kushala Daora for its horns (needed a whole bunch of 'em for the weapons I wanted). I had a nice Investigation with 2 players, 1 silver and 3 gold (!) rewards. One time I did break the head for sure, never touched the tail, yet I had 2 tails in rewards and 0 horns. Capcom plz. ;_;

Oh, the worst part? I had PartBreaker 3 and focused almost only on its head, as did my friend (since I told her to focus on the head too). In one of the hunts it flew away to sleep and we each dropped 2 bombs on its head while it slept. Head still didn't break. What...

Last week or so I had similar issues with Vaal horns fangs. I wanted to make that dope-looking Vaal lance, but of course I needed like 6 fucking horns fangs. Breaking the head on Vaal was easier than on Kushala for some reason (even if it's harder to reach since you can't flash bomb it to ground it, have to get creative with stalactites etc.) but I'd still get like 1 measly horn fang+ every 2-3 hunts. It's absurd and makes no sense.
 
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impact

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean, it's barely been 2months since the game released. Not sure why people are expecting super quick patches when the amount of work one new monster takes is absolutely massive.

Hopefully kirin's subclass monster brings an actual good lightning longsword. Most of our elemental weapons are assss
I'm actually expecting the opposite of super quick patches. One patch in two+ months is slow as fuck.
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
15,328
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Drop rates for horns+ (Vaal and Kushala, at least) really, really need a patch. Breaking the head doesn't even guarantee a horn in the rewards, which is ridiculous. Horn carves are incredibly rare, swear to Satan I've carved gems more often than horns. And even with investigations with gold and silver rewards, I still get throwaway parts like claws or tails (without even having cut the tail!) more often than the goddamn horns. And of course, you typically need like, 1 or 2 tails at the most for a weapon or armour set, but you typically need 5-6 horns for the same amount of loot...

Meanwhile, you don't cut the monster's tail, and still get tails, often more than one, in rewards? What?

Last night I farmed Kushala Daora for its horns (needed a whole bunch of 'em for the weapons I wanted). I had a nice Investigation with 2 players, 1 silver and 3 gold (!) rewards. One time I did break the head for sure, never touched the tail, yet I had 2 tails in rewards and 0 horns. Capcom plz. ;_;

Oh, the worst part? I had PartBreaker 3 and focused almost only on its head, as did my friend (since I told her to focus on the head too). In one of the hunts it flew away to sleep and we each dropped 2 bombs on its head while it slept. Head still didn't break. What...

Last week or so I had similar issues with Vaal horns. I wanted to make that dope-looking Vaal lance, but of course I needed like 6 fucking horns. Breaking the head on Vaal was easier than on Kushala for some reason (even if it's harder to reach since you can't flash bomb it to ground it, have to get creative with stalactites etc.) but I'd still get like 1 measly horn+ every 2-3 hunts. It's absurd and makes no sense.
That's why I like Kirin. It has a relatively shallow loot pool and in my experience, as long as you break its horn, multiple Azure Horns per hunt are almost guaranteed.

But yeah, Elder Dragon horns, fangs and whatnot are a pain to farm. I just needed 2 Teostra claws for something; three hunts later and I only got one. Nothing as frustrating as doing an investigation with four (!) gold rewards and receiving your gazillionth Teostra Mane or Teostra Powder.

As a hammer user I'm actually very happy the game still throws tails at you in the rewards, though. :p
 

Pravus

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Oct 28, 2017
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Drop rates for horns+ (Vaal and Kushala, at least) really, really need a patch. Breaking the head doesn't even guarantee a horn in the rewards, which is ridiculous. Horn carves are incredibly rare, swear to Satan I've carved gems more often than horns. And even with investigations with gold and silver rewards, I still get throwaway parts like claws or tails (without even having cut the tail!) more often than the goddamn horns. And of course, you typically need like, 1 or 2 tails at the most for a weapon or armour set, but you typically need 5-6 horns for the same amount of loot...

Meanwhile, you don't cut the monster's tail, and still get tails, often more than one, in rewards? What?

Last night I farmed Kushala Daora for its horns (needed a whole bunch of 'em for the weapons I wanted). I had a nice Investigation with 2 players, 1 silver and 3 gold (!) rewards. One time I did break the head for sure, never touched the tail, yet I had 2 tails in rewards and 0 horns. Capcom plz. ;_;

Oh, the worst part? I had PartBreaker 3 and focused almost only on its head, as did my friend (since I told her to focus on the head too). In one of the hunts it flew away to sleep and we each dropped 2 bombs on its head while it slept. Head still didn't break. What...

Last week or so I had similar issues with Vaal horns. I wanted to make that dope-looking Vaal lance, but of course I needed like 6 fucking horns. Breaking the head on Vaal was easier than on Kushala for some reason (even if it's harder to reach since you can't flash bomb it to ground it, have to get creative with stalactites etc.) but I'd still get like 1 measly horn+ every 2-3 hunts. It's absurd and makes no sense.

If you want horns, solo is the way to go. So much easier to break the head.
 

Morrigan

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That's why I like Kirin. It has a relatively shallow loot pool and in my experience, as long as you break its horn, multiple Azure Horns per hunt are almost guaranteed.

But yeah, Elder Dragon horns, fangs and whatnot are a pain to farm. I just needed 2 Teostra claws for something; three hunts later and I only got one. Nothing as frustrating as doing an investigation with four (!) gold rewards and receiving your gazillionth Teostra Mane or Teostra Powder.

As a hammer user I'm actually very happy the game still throws tails at you in the rewards, though. :p
Oops yeah they're fangs for Vaal, not horns. Edited my post, but yeah I guess everyone knew what I meant.

I use the hammer often so I understand what you mean about tails, but it's frustrating when you carve 1 tail from the body (?!) and get 2 tails in the gold rewards when you didn't even attack it, and get 0 horns or fangs despite actually breaking the head. IMO Capcom really needs to adjust those carve/drop rates.

If you want horns, solo is the way to go. So much easier to break the head.
Yeah, I know. Still, the issue of breaking the head and getting 0 drops happened when soloing regardless. :|
 

LiK

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Oct 25, 2017
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Use lvl 3 Partsbreaker. Makes getting parts much easier for me even in SOS games.
 

DrArchon

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you want horns, solo is the way to go. So much easier to break the head.
Yep. Break values in multiplayer are jacked up. It's hard enough getting breaks on elder dragon horns, but in multiplayer it might as well be impossible.

Even solo I have trouble breaking Vaal's head. I have to be on-point with my SAEDs. I heard it's something like 900 damage to break, but I don't know if that's solo or multi.
 

ClearMetal

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Oct 25, 2017
15,328
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Oops yeah they're fangs for Vaal, not horns. Edited my post, but yeah I guess everyone knew what I meant.

I use the hammer often so I understand what you mean about tails, but it's frustrating when you carve 1 tail from the body (?!) and get 2 tails in the gold rewards when you didn't even attack it, and get 0 horns or fangs despite actually breaking the head. IMO Capcom really needs to adjust those carve/drop rates.
I get the frustration, but you have to keep in mind the bronze/silver/gold rewards are completely unrelated to the body parts you break during the hunt. The rewards that are, show up in the bonus reward table and above each reward it shows why you get it. Like this:

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As the info box says, I got that gem because I broke Legiana's tail. The scale on the left is probably because I broke its head. The second gem and everything after that are capture rewards.

The investigation rewards are pulled from a special table (which differs per reward color) and can really be anything. Here's Kushala Daora's silver reward table, for example:

Daora Tail x 1 - 18%
Daora Claw+ x 1 - 18%
Daora Horn+ x 1 - 16%
Daora Webbing x1 - 16%
Daora Carapace x 2 - 14%
Daora Dragon Scale+ x 2 - 12%
Daora Gem x 1 - 6%

(For more droprates, look here: https://mhworld.kiranico.com/monster)

The percentages are close together, so you really can get anything from a silver reward. That won't make it less frustrating when you want that horn and the game just keeps giving you tails. But maybe it helps to know this part of the rewards is completely RNG and not some weird oversight on Capcom's part.
 

Bessy67

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Oct 29, 2017
11,650
Huh, I've fired an SOS flare for 3 consecutive tempered nergigante quests and gotten no other people to join. Sure it was a crappy 2 reward quest but still. Player base might be starting to tank on Xbox One...
 

KanameYuuki

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Dec 23, 2017
2,651
Colombia
......... I had a Giant crown Vaal, it was pretty much dead and one idiot comes and joins last minute just to be 1 shot with a charge, it wasn't even tempered, I don't need help on that monster but I like to share every crown I find to help any random that joins, now I gotta search for another hour until another one spawns.... T-T

I guess I better solo Vaal and as much as I don't want to it would be the same for Kirin and Teostra.
 

Zetta

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
7,647
......... I had a Giant crown Vaal, it was pretty much dead and one idiot comes and joins last minute just to be 1 shot with a charge, it wasn't even tempered, I don't need help on that monster but I like to share every crown I find to help any random that joins, now I gotta search for another hour until another one spawns.... T-T

I guess I better solo Vaal and as much as I don't want to it would be the same for Kirin and Teostra.

Yeah soloing would be best, had to kick someone due to dying twice on a giant crown run. As much as you want to help others you don't want you time wasted because of someone else.
 

RedStep

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Oct 27, 2017
2,652
Huh, I've fired an SOS flare for 3 consecutive tempered nergigante quests and gotten no other people to join. Sure it was a crappy 2 reward quest but still. Player base might be starting to tank on Xbox One...

I wouldn't assume that. I've never had a tempered investigation take more than 10-15 seconds to fill, but I have hit server problems.

Also, more players = more investigations = you can choose a 4-box reward instead of 2. I know I don't take them unless I'm really bored.
 

acmshar

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Nov 26, 2017
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Got a tenderizer jewel from radobaan! I think it's my first decent jewel 80 hours in.
 
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DrArchon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Decided to give in and get Guard 3 for my CB set. I was so fucking tired of not being able to guard point -> SAED Bazel roars.

Now every time that bastard roars (which is a lot of the time) he gets to eat a shit-ton of damage. Sucks to lose Guard Up, but there really aren't that many uses for it that you can't just dodge normally.
 

Anton Sugar

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Oct 27, 2017
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Nah, I wouldn't think the Xbox pop is tanking. I think it can depend on the monster. I had to wait about 5 minutes today for any 9 star Nergigante investigations to show up today, but eventually got them. Weeks ago I was popping SOS flares and not having anyone join them (even on some tempered hunts), but now I don't have any trouble.

I even still have trouble joining tempered Vaal investigations if I hesitate to join the moment it pops up. They fill fast.
 

impact

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Oct 26, 2017
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Decided to give in and get Guard 3 for my CB set. I was so fucking tired of not being able to guard point -> SAED Bazel roars.

Now every time that bastard roars (which is a lot of the time) he gets to eat a shit-ton of damage. Sucks to lose Guard Up, but there really aren't that many uses for it that you can't just dodge normally.
Do you just use R2+triangle for those kinds of guard points?
 
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