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Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite
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Rereading this and these reads felt rather noncommittal to me now. Comments on active players that land neutral, a brush off mention on Geno and then a push for inactives.
Are you scum reading someone right now?
I do hope you realize you're one of those "low activity posters" you seem to be discussing. This is your first post of substance the whole game as far as I'm concerned.
This is all silly mechanic discussion, one off comments, and joke posts.
Strange that you say "feeling like staying under the radar" when it seems like you've been posting enough to seem active and engaged, but not contributing anything to the conversations at all.
Slight scum read on Geno, but admittedly the reads are rather noncommittal because I don't particularly have strong reads right now. Still trying to get back into the groove of things after having not played in a bit.
Hmm... *goes to re-read over Kalor*
You're reading Kyan as town yet you're considering voting for him...?
What do you think about the way he tried to reveal a token early on? And the way he tried to use that as a negative against Grizzly as well?
I did miss where Kyan tried to reveal a token. Do you mean in his first post after game start?
If he really wanted to reveal a token trough a possibility of C12 being drawn from the deck, I don't think he would've attacked Grizzly over it. Could've played along, seems genuine.
That's a good response. It gives me pause though since I expected something way more confrontational, considering my own contributions so far. I never played with you though, so I'll chalk it up to that for now.
As it stands, I think I'm voting for inactives. We haven't seen much discussion and mechanics talk will probably dominate most of the early phases till we get more info on how the map affects the game. Townies coasting this hard this early in the game are really hurting our chances of winning, so I'm totally for pressure voting players that didn't give out any reads or actual game discussion. Plus, I do believe there's scum lying real low in these low count posters.
Donna is the most glaring one to me so far. Only 3 posts in the game and this is the closest we got to discussion.
VOTE: empressdonna
(I really don't like putting down my finger on someone without having something to back it up, and that always makes me second guess myself when voting D1, but I think I'm cool this time.)
I was going off of this conversation.
Which I could definitely be reading into wrong because I am really struggling with everything Kyan says. To me, it felt like he was still willing to push for revealing C12.
Kyanrute, please talk normally, or at least tone it down a little bit.
Yeah, this is a slow day 1 phase. It's kinda odd. Less than 20 hours remaining too.
Looking over the player list, and not counting our newbies, I'm unfamiliar with yourself, SweetNicole, Empressdonna, and Brazil as players. Looking back over your posts I get a slight town gut read towards you. The other three are neutral to me however.
I did make a post about how I was mostly confused by kyan's posting style but I'm not scumreading him because of it.
Overall right now, I'm not sure on any scumreads but it is day one, and I'm sure things will change.
The mechanic discussions is just because that was where the conversation was at at the time. It's also been pretty quiet earlier today so I thought making a joke post or comment wouldn't be too bad.
I was also just trying to wait and see what other people post before doing a read on people but when asked, I responded with where my head was at at the time.
You've not had much to say either, looking back on your posts:
All you've really done is make some quick replies to people, some mechanics discussions and nothing really of substance up until now at least. I'm just as unsure on you as I am on most other people so far which is why I'm refraining from voting until tomorrow. See where my head is at and who I feel is most likely to be scum.
My thinking was, while I'm reading him as town because why would a scum person make themselves seem scumish, he could be posting the way he does to confuse people.
I mean my thinking could be wrong. I don't know his play style (or anyones playstyle, I've not followed many games before now) but just based on his posts in here, I was thinking that.
Okay. Finally got a chance to catch up on everything.
Regarding the mechanics discussion, that I myself took part in, I think Brazil is correct in his post about there being two categories you can file them in, and it's important to note which ones are harmful and which ones are just speculation.
Fandorin 's post about how many people have cards reads less like fishing for information, and more like a warning, letting people know that there are cards in play, which could potentially be dangerous come night time.
Kyanrute 's post is very clearly trying to get more information. The question I have is, if he were scum, why would he post it here and not in the scum chat? In fact this post looks exactly like something you would see someone post in a scum chat. Beyond this, I really cannot make heads or tails of his posts. Trying to read them gives me a headache. Leaning scum.
SweetNicole 's hyper aggressive first post triggered some flags in my head, but this could just be early day 1 discussions, mixed with an aggressive meta game from her. It helps that her later posts look much better, but it's something to keep an eye on for later.
Zippedpinhead 's question post seems bizarre because it seems like something you would ask in your role PM. Then again, I did the same thing immediately after so I can't talk.
This one was mentioned before, but after reading through all of Stuart444 's posts, seems as though he's eager to participate, but doesn't quite know how to. The post where he actually tries seems like a post of someone who has been reading the thread, but hasn't really been reading it. In my experience, this is either a careless scum, or an inexperienced town. Seeing as he appears to be new to the game, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. But my eyes are on you Stuart.
If I were to look at this post through the tunnel vision of both Stuart and Kyan being scum, this post looks like Stuart trying to steer suspicion off Kyan, but saying he's willing to bus if necessary. That's one perspective though.
I'm going to go ahead and drop this as a means to say, Kyan, please argue your points in posts I can actually understand.
vote: Kyanrute
Regarding the mechanics discussion, that I myself took part in, I think Brazil is correct in his post about there being two categories you can file them in, and it's important to note which ones are harmful and which ones are just speculation.
Fandorin 's post about how many people have cards reads less like fishing for information, and more like a warning, letting people know that there are cards in play, which could potentially be dangerous come night time.
Kyanrute 's post is very clearly trying to get more information. The question I have is, if he were scum, why would he post it here and not in the scum chat? In fact this post looks exactly like something you would see someone post in a scum chat. Beyond this, I really cannot make heads or tails of his posts. Trying to read them gives me a headache. Leaning scum.
SweetNicole 's hyper aggressive first post triggered some flags in my head, but this could just be early day 1 discussions, mixed with an aggressive meta game from her. It helps that her later posts look much better, but it's something to keep an eye on for later.
Zippedpinhead 's question post seems bizarre because it seems like something you would ask in your role PM. Then again, I did the same thing immediately after so I can't talk.
This one was mentioned before, but after reading through all of Stuart444 's posts, seems as though he's eager to participate, but doesn't quite know how to. The post where he actually tries seems like a post of someone who has been reading the thread, but hasn't really been reading it. In my experience, this is either a careless scum, or an inexperienced town. Seeing as he appears to be new to the game, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this. But my eyes are on you Stuart.
If I were to look at this post through the tunnel vision of both Stuart and Kyan being scum, this post looks like Stuart trying to steer suspicion off Kyan, but saying he's willing to bus if necessary. That's one perspective though.
I'm going to go ahead and drop this as a means to say, Kyan, please argue your points in posts I can actually understand.
vote: Kyanrute
Feeble capitalists, your ways of meaningless aggression amuse me so! I almost feel reluctant to give such entertainment to the lions, but alas, for you, the revolution will march on. Fear not comrades! The spirit of this comrade shall not waver in the face of adversity! The spirit of the revolution shall continue to radiate from me!
Concrete efforts towards the world revolution shall continue after I am done with some minor revolutionary work on the side! Be filled with dread, pigs, for I will be there! Long live the revolution!
Concrete efforts towards the world revolution shall continue after I am done with some minor revolutionary work on the side! Be filled with dread, pigs, for I will be there! Long live the revolution!
While there are arguments I will buy for discussing mechanics, this isn't one of them. If you are saying you're only discussing mechanics because that's where the conversation is at the time, you have the power to start a conversation yourself. Ask for someone's read on someone else. Try and find a post or a statement that stands out to you. As a player in the great game of mafia, you have the power to start a conversation about anything whenever you want. Saying that you aren't doing so because the general thread isn't doing so looks bad. It shouldn't matter if there is anyone else scum hunting in the game or not. Assuming you are a town player, you should be trying to scum hunt and find scum in the game, regardless of what every other town player is doing.
So, I know you're new to mafia, but one thing you should be aware of is that no one's vote is final this early, and there's good reason to vote for people early. My vote for you was to give some added pressure to my post and see how you respond to having that post and a vote tossed your way. I would have accepted a simple explanation about it being day one and that you'll post more substance later. Instead, you saw the need to make a reaching statement attacking my posts to try and defend yourself. That you reacted so defensively to even the simplest amount of pressure applied your way is very telling.
Also, rarely are people's votes this early final. Most people, myself included, are voting for information and reactions, and votes will always change going to the final day.
Anyways, now that I've gotten your reaction, I'm going to take my vote elsewhere for now.
12 hours later....and no nin
Vote: nin
Unvote
Went back and read over Kalor. Kind of curious to see Zipped's answer to this post:
Other then that, didn't see too many reads from him. Most of it's mechanics talk.
I mean, that's still a contradiction isn't it? That implies you're not quite reading him as townie as you thought...?
I guess another way to put it is: Why do you town read Kyan?
Went back and read over Kalor. Kind of curious to see Zipped's answer to this post:
Other then that, didn't see too many reads from him. Most of it's mechanics talk.
I mean, that's still a contradiction isn't it? That implies you're not quite reading him as townie as you thought...?
I guess another way to put it is: Why do you town read Kyan?
I don't know if I completely follow here. You say that Kyan being stubborn about the flavor speak doesn't indicate being town, but backing away from it would have made you scum read him? Is this due to past experiences with him (I've never played with him IIRC) and is this something he's known for? It seems weird to me that you'd think it would be scummy for him to not make his posts easier to read.
Because his posts feel too... out there for scum. A very easy way to get attention on yourself and I guess I don't think a scum player would on purposely draw attention to themselves.
I guess I am kinda contradicting myself here. But I would say I read him more town than scum atm anyway for the reason above.
I just wanted to interfere before this small thing gets blown out of proportion like kyans accent is at the moment.
It had the potential players to put down a lazy vote and roll with it instead of thinking critical and then put down a vote down.
Welcome back nin, glad to have you back
Dont do this, we are less than 250 posts into the gane yet you are town reading someone du to his way of posting.
Take this advice
until something else is proven everyone is scum. Don't do this mistake
For me it meant nothing more than that's the way he posts. Scum or town.
Those who are new to the game aswell as me still don't know.
What is the way he posts? Please enlighten me
Ah c'mon, you really gonna push this through? I don't really feel like explaining this. Maybe we gotta turn things around and ask you what you think about Kyan? Do you think he is different than usual?
There was discussion about Kyan posting the way he does, and people saying he is town because he drawns attention on himself (Stuart did). Just wanted to point out that for me it doesn't make him town or scum.
Can you explain why you ask me and Kalor and not Brazil who brushed it away as Kyans demeanor? That doesn't seem that much different than what I did.
There was discussion about Kyan posting the way he does, and people saying he is town because he drawns attention on himself (Stuart did). Just wanted to point out that for me it doesn't make him town or scum.
Can you explain why you ask me and Kalor and not Brazil who brushed it away as Kyans demeanor? That doesn't seem that much different than what I did.
Lolwut? You think it gets blown out of attention, but continue to question me about it. ok
To make it clear, I find everyone who makes comments like 'kyan being kyan' a lazy player. That includes like you DCPat already pointed out, other players like Brazil. No need to be that thin skinned though. I pointed it out and did not even put a vote down since it's something lazy not scummy
I am going to explain this, since it happened to myself the past couple of games. If someone new to the game reads a comment like 'Nin being nin' he can't really do anything with it since he never played with me, furthermore players itself try to keep it fresh and change the way they play. That's why I don't like the comment 'x being x' since it's lazy. Instead of going through what that player actually said and make a conclusion out of it, it's brushing him or her off and say 'well he is being himself u know'
I interfeered regarding burb calling out geno for role fishing, which I did not actually thought he did and thought that it was a small thing blowing out of proportion and compared it to kyans accent which funnily enough is a hit topic and an easy way of putting votes down.
I thought about Bear calling me role fishing while sleeping. I came to the conclusion that he just wanted to say something there for the sake of saying something to try and appear helpful. How can my post "role fishing" when I'm not talking to someone specifically while at the same time it's not a call to mass claim?
If I'm rolefishing everyone then I'm basically asking for a mass claim.
Bear rising up on my scum suspect list.
If I'm rolefishing everyone then I'm basically asking for a mass claim.
Bear rising up on my scum suspect list.
But Nin, it seems like we agreeing and talking past each other here. I did not feel attacked by you.
I understand the lazy comment part, but the lazy part about it is that I did not put a read down on Kyan. My Kyan being Kyan comment was saying I thought he shouldn't be judged by the way he talks. And you seem to agree with that.
If I typed; "I do not think we should judge Kyan by the way he is posting at the moment, as that is something he does in other games aswell". Would we still have this conversation? Cause that is what I meant by it.
I understand the lazy comment part, but the lazy part about it is that I did not put a read down on Kyan. My Kyan being Kyan comment was saying I thought he shouldn't be judged by the way he talks. And you seem to agree with that.
If I typed; "I do not think we should judge Kyan by the way he is posting at the moment, as that is something he does in other games aswell". Would we still have this conversation? Cause that is what I meant by it.
That their playstyle feels similar to previous games. If you ask me what reminds me of previous games, I wouldn't be able to point out examples. It's more of a gut feeling, hence why I didn't focus much on it when I mentioned it.
Most of the suspicion on Kyan is largely due to their writing style which isn't a great reason to vote for someone. If people had actual reasons for voting then I'd be fine with it but right now none really exist. Xbro voted for Kyan after barely mentioning Kyan in his post then Geno just doesn't like his writing style. Zipped at least gave a bit more reasoning for his vote on Kyan. I'm enjoying it at least. Always fun when someone gets into the theme.
Oh, yeah I think we agree on the general sense DCPat.
See, since you talked about it I can understand what you meant by that comment. I thank you for that.
And no, if you would habe typed it the way you did above we would not have this conversation but we would not have felt each other our and grown as players.
Thanks :)
I mean that I think scum kyan would be more mindful of other players Day 1 reads, and so would stop posting "in theme" when he got called out and voted for it.
I usually take stubbornness as a sign of township, him continuing to do that makes more sense to me if he's town. I have seen kyan play town in Buffy and there he didn't care much for what others thought.
Still not enough to make me townread him, only leaning on that. Considering how he's the hot topic so far, might be a lynch to consider.
You do have to realize that in a slow D1 like this, I am going to call out even any interesting/worrisome post as potentially scummy. Especially at the point where I posted about your potential fishing, the game was almost completely stuck at mechanics discussion.
No one has strong scum reads right now. Just point out your overall reads then, even town reads are useful information. What town can't have is players not even posting their feelings on the game for no reason at all.
I'm leaning heavily towards that Brazil is town.
Brazil's tried to poke at Sexy Fish to get him to talk more and while we've not had much from Sexy Fish outside of him voting Brazil, trying to get others to talk and be involved in the game by voting for them like that seems to me like a very townstyle play though that isn't to say a scum couldn't do the same thing but I don't feel like Brazil has said anything to make me feel like he is scum at the moment.
I also am townreading you at the moment. So far, you've helped to add to the overall discussions and I feel like you just want the quieter townies to open up more so that we have more opinions on the current state of affairs.
Someone I'm uncertain of either way is Sexy Fish, I feel like we need to hear more from them.
Brazil's tried to poke at Sexy Fish to get him to talk more and while we've not had much from Sexy Fish outside of him voting Brazil, trying to get others to talk and be involved in the game by voting for them like that seems to me like a very townstyle play though that isn't to say a scum couldn't do the same thing but I don't feel like Brazil has said anything to make me feel like he is scum at the moment.
I also am townreading you at the moment. So far, you've helped to add to the overall discussions and I feel like you just want the quieter townies to open up more so that we have more opinions on the current state of affairs.
Someone I'm uncertain of either way is Sexy Fish, I feel like we need to hear more from them.
Okay. I think it's all to vague to be classified as fishing for roles. I mean he basically only says its important for town to understand the mechanics of the game.
I have no problem with that, but at least have your posts make sense, saying nonsense for the sake of calling out someone isn't going to help town.
Just to show off the stats for every inididual player regarding activity
Post Counts:
nin: 18
fandorin: 17
grizzly: 17
dcpat: 15
geno: 14
brazil: 14
kalor: 12
kyanrute: 12
sophia: 12
zippedpinhead: 9
sweetnicole: 8
ketkat: 8
stuart444: 8
empressdonna: 7
xbro: 4
apollo: 4
sexy fish: 3
royal_flush: 2
Post Counts:
nin: 18
fandorin: 17
grizzly: 17
dcpat: 15
geno: 14
brazil: 14
kalor: 12
kyanrute: 12
sophia: 12
zippedpinhead: 9
sweetnicole: 8
ketkat: 8
stuart444: 8
empressdonna: 7
xbro: 4
apollo: 4
sexy fish: 3
royal_flush: 2
Fair enough, I can definitely see it that way.
To be fair to Grizzly, I felt like it was a little role fishy as well. And DCPat also mentioned that we shouldn't role claim at the same time. I'm not saying that you're scum for speculating on the mechanics, but I can see where Grizzly is coming from pretty clearly.
Right.
I don't believe you. I don't buy it that, with over 24 hours left in the phase, you were so concerned with the possibility of players hiding behind lazy votes that you felt the need to outright defend another player like that - especially seeing how you weren't even being active in the thread back then.
The obvious follow-up question to this post would be, "Then why didn't you go to bat for Kyan?". And so right after you posted your reasoning for defending Geno, you tried to start something with Kalor and DCPat to cover that hole. It feels artificial.
VOTE: nin
Grizzly you were the catalyst to all of this. What's your feeling on it?
This game has had one of the slowest D1's I've seen for some time, but I'll try to gather up my thoughts on most of the players so far regardless. Usually I'm against thorough reads lists on D1, but honestly this game is going so slowly, that I have to organize my thoughts somehow to get some sort of reads of everyone.
Stuart444 – Like Nicole mentioned, Stuart is seemingly going after "lower activity posters" while being a low activity poster so far himself. All of his posts prior to that one were nothing but discussing mechanics. His response to Nicole felt bit of an aggressive OMGUS reaction. Those are all generally scum-tells to me, but I'm not sure what to think of Stuart just yet – it's his first game, so all this might just be new player being still unsure of themselves and what to post. It's not exactly uncommon for new players to act this way, honestly. Still, that's not enough for me to town read them, so I'd say they are slightly scummy at this point of time.
KetKat – Like Stuart, a new player. However, I do feel lot better about KetKat right now that what I feel about Stuart. She hasn't had that many posts, but what are there have been in my eyes all about trying to solve the game, and her posts feel genuine to me. It's very early game, but for now I town read her, and wouldn't want to lynch her.
SexyFish – There's honestly nothing here. All of note he has done is a OMGUS vote on Brazil. I could see SexyFish being a scum trying to lay low and just hope for others to ignore him during D1. But he could also be a bored town, I would expect scum to be at least a little bit more active.
Sophia – I have had my poke vote on Sophia for a good while now. I didn't remove my vote when she did appear, because at first her posts felt very feeble and weak, felt like scum trying to just go with the flow on D1. Luckily her quality of posts have gone bit up since then, and they feel more like town Sophia now. But I do agree with Fandorin that her reads were pretty non-committal ones. Is it due to her being scum? Or due to D1 just being really slow as it is?
Fandorin – Most of the first IRL day all of Fandorin's posts were mechanics discussion, and a pretty feeble call out of inactive players. On the last two pages or so he has been more actively scumhunting, and I appreciate him pointing out Sophia's weak reads, since I might have missed that otherwise. But I do have to wonder – he only stopped the constant mechanics talk when multiple people started to call out that scum would most likely want to waste D1 on that. Having said that, his posts do feel genuinely town – it feels like Fandorin wants to solve the game. This leaves me frustrated. The logical part of me says his posting pattern has been scummy, but the tone and feel of his post makes me town read him. That leaves me at the midpoint – a neutral read.
Xbro – He has only had one post with content on it, post 214 with his initial reads. The reads themselves are pretty weak – his reads on Fandorin and Kyan are mostly just stating the obvious, and his read on Nicole is really weak, calling out her first post without really explaining what was wrong with it (I don't see said post as aggressive at all). His wording seems more confident than in the last game he was scum, but he does fit the mold of scum mostly staying in the background on D1, and letting town fight town.
Apollo – Where is he? His only contribution to the game thus far was his vote for Zipped, but that vote was based on basically nothing. He took out his vote once Zipped gave a simple comment about it, and then vanished again. That whole vote – it honestly just looks like scum trying to look helpful and contributing to the game without actually doing anything of note. I know Apollo has been quiet and inactive in the past games too, but this interaction feels more scummy than simple inactiveness. Scum reading him.
SweetNicole – Like with Sophia, I was worried about her feebleness and quietness at the start of the day phase, especially since she is usually much more aggressive and assertive player. Granted, last time she was that, she was also a neutral serial killer, but this quietness was weird. Like Sophia though, she has stepped up her game in the backend of this day phase lot more, which makes me feel lot better about her. Even more so that Sophia, her posts feel like town, especially noticing Stuart's actions. I have a Town read on Nicole at this point of time.
empressdonna – One of the inactive players at this point of time. Her posts haven't had much substance to them. I almost get the feeling that she is scared to post, one of the key scum-tells. She is pretty reactionary so far, and also fits the mold of a scum just trying to go with the flow. Somewhat scummy, although I don't know how much of that is tied to her still being quite a new player.
Royal_Flush – All he has done is one complaint post about Faddy not answering his questions, and a post where he is surprised nobody jumped on SexyFish's OMGUS vote. I find the SexyFish post more interesting. with it, he is able to frame anyone who would jump on SexyFish about that in the future as someone jumping on easy target. If Royal and Sexy were scumbuddies, this would be a very efficient tactic to get all of the town to ignore his scumbuddy's questionable behaviour. Other than those two posts, there isn't anything. However, unlike with lot other inactive players on this list, I'm not able to scum-read Royal at this juncture. I honestly have no other explanation about that than gut feeling. That doesn't mean I'm town reading him though, it just lands him on the neutral spot.
Brazil – He feels like he is actively trying to solve the game, asking questions and trying to steer town away from mechanic discussion, and towards actual scumhunting. This behaviour might be bit NAI, since he is generally helpful as scum as well, but I'm definitely more leaning on town read for him at the moment. His interaction with giving DCPat easy town points is notable, though.
DCPat – The first noticeable posts from DCPat is him not understanding why knowing who has what card is beneficial for scum. Brazil says that this level of fail is bit more of a town read, but I don't know… last game Pat was scum, he staged one of the most obvious examples of scum trying to save their partner from lynch, and he got rightfully lynched for it the very next day. So it's not like Pat is above making major mistakes as scum. Other than that interaction though, pat has been posting short comments here and there. They are at least comments trying to solve the game, but they haven't been very original in my eyes, mostly just parroting what others have said in the game so far. His activity does raise him above "scum trying to just blend in and watch from the sidelines", but it's definitely not enough for me to town read him.
nin – I mostly like nin so far. He has been pretty coherent, and trying to scumhunt in his posts, which at this early point of game is always a town read for me. The only thing that makes me pause is how actively he went to defend Geno after I called him out of his possible role fishing attempt. I'm not a fan when others try to answer questions they weren't asked. Not sure if this came from the sense of camraderie nin has seemingly had with Geno, or from scum trying to defend a buddy. I'd lean on the former for now though, so I'm town reading nin.
Kyanrute – He definitely started the game with multiple possible scumtells. He definitely was trying to fish for information at the start, and his writing prose feels more like an attempt to obfuscate information rather than anything else. There's even been multiple players asking him explicitly to start write normally. But at the same time, he has consistently continued his posting style the same, and he hasn't backed down from his viewpoints even though he had lot of oppoturnities to do so. This in some weird way makes me actually town read him – scum Kyan would have easily changed his posting style in an effort to try to win town points for himself. So not backing down at all – that actually makes me town read him, in weird fashion. I wouldn't want to lynch him today.
zippedpinhead – I like zipped so far. He did discuss mechanics quite a lot early, but he also defended his posture of discussing them, which is a town sign for me. He is one of the few players who mostly discussed mechanics, yet I still town read them.
Kalor – Kalor is at a weird spot for me. He has posted quite a lot compared to some, but like with Pat, those posts are mostly short 1-2 sentence posts that either don't say that much, or parrot others. He is posting, but not contributing much to the game so far. But with the game at such an early stage, is it really a scum tell yet? I don't get the feeling of Kalor trying to blend to the crowd, at least.
Geno – Geno is an interesting case. The last game I played with him (Buck Bumble), he got very aggressive when he was called out or criticised. He was town that time. In this game, he feels lot more subdued. Not as aggressive, but he also feels less involved in the game as a result. Only interesting thing to note so far about him was his reaction to my note about him possibly role fishing. It wasn't aggressive reaction, but gave me slight OMGUS vibes. His post still might be slightly role-fishing. So is this change of behaviour born from wanting to evade the same situation as in Buck Bumble (where his aggresive behaviour more or less lead to his lynch on D1), or is it his scum buddies advising him to take a more relaxed approach? It's hard to say this early to the game, but I'm leaning on the former for now. I'm leaning neutral on him for now.
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So, to get a TL;DR on my reads at the moment:
Scum lean:
Apollo
Slight scum lean:
Sexy Fish
Xbro
Stuart444
empressdonna
Neutral lean:
Sophia
Royal_Flush
Geno
Kalor
Fandorin
DCPat
Slight town lean:
zippedpinhead
Kyanrute
nin
Town Lean:
SweetNicole
KetKat
Brazil
So, having said all that:
VOTE: Apollo
His weak vote on zipped, then retracting it, and then just fading into obscurity feels like a very solid case of a scum trying to seem helpful, yet not actually contributing to the game at all, and blending in with inactivity after.
Stuart444 – Like Nicole mentioned, Stuart is seemingly going after "lower activity posters" while being a low activity poster so far himself. All of his posts prior to that one were nothing but discussing mechanics. His response to Nicole felt bit of an aggressive OMGUS reaction. Those are all generally scum-tells to me, but I'm not sure what to think of Stuart just yet – it's his first game, so all this might just be new player being still unsure of themselves and what to post. It's not exactly uncommon for new players to act this way, honestly. Still, that's not enough for me to town read them, so I'd say they are slightly scummy at this point of time.
KetKat – Like Stuart, a new player. However, I do feel lot better about KetKat right now that what I feel about Stuart. She hasn't had that many posts, but what are there have been in my eyes all about trying to solve the game, and her posts feel genuine to me. It's very early game, but for now I town read her, and wouldn't want to lynch her.
SexyFish – There's honestly nothing here. All of note he has done is a OMGUS vote on Brazil. I could see SexyFish being a scum trying to lay low and just hope for others to ignore him during D1. But he could also be a bored town, I would expect scum to be at least a little bit more active.
Sophia – I have had my poke vote on Sophia for a good while now. I didn't remove my vote when she did appear, because at first her posts felt very feeble and weak, felt like scum trying to just go with the flow on D1. Luckily her quality of posts have gone bit up since then, and they feel more like town Sophia now. But I do agree with Fandorin that her reads were pretty non-committal ones. Is it due to her being scum? Or due to D1 just being really slow as it is?
Fandorin – Most of the first IRL day all of Fandorin's posts were mechanics discussion, and a pretty feeble call out of inactive players. On the last two pages or so he has been more actively scumhunting, and I appreciate him pointing out Sophia's weak reads, since I might have missed that otherwise. But I do have to wonder – he only stopped the constant mechanics talk when multiple people started to call out that scum would most likely want to waste D1 on that. Having said that, his posts do feel genuinely town – it feels like Fandorin wants to solve the game. This leaves me frustrated. The logical part of me says his posting pattern has been scummy, but the tone and feel of his post makes me town read him. That leaves me at the midpoint – a neutral read.
Xbro – He has only had one post with content on it, post 214 with his initial reads. The reads themselves are pretty weak – his reads on Fandorin and Kyan are mostly just stating the obvious, and his read on Nicole is really weak, calling out her first post without really explaining what was wrong with it (I don't see said post as aggressive at all). His wording seems more confident than in the last game he was scum, but he does fit the mold of scum mostly staying in the background on D1, and letting town fight town.
Apollo – Where is he? His only contribution to the game thus far was his vote for Zipped, but that vote was based on basically nothing. He took out his vote once Zipped gave a simple comment about it, and then vanished again. That whole vote – it honestly just looks like scum trying to look helpful and contributing to the game without actually doing anything of note. I know Apollo has been quiet and inactive in the past games too, but this interaction feels more scummy than simple inactiveness. Scum reading him.
SweetNicole – Like with Sophia, I was worried about her feebleness and quietness at the start of the day phase, especially since she is usually much more aggressive and assertive player. Granted, last time she was that, she was also a neutral serial killer, but this quietness was weird. Like Sophia though, she has stepped up her game in the backend of this day phase lot more, which makes me feel lot better about her. Even more so that Sophia, her posts feel like town, especially noticing Stuart's actions. I have a Town read on Nicole at this point of time.
empressdonna – One of the inactive players at this point of time. Her posts haven't had much substance to them. I almost get the feeling that she is scared to post, one of the key scum-tells. She is pretty reactionary so far, and also fits the mold of a scum just trying to go with the flow. Somewhat scummy, although I don't know how much of that is tied to her still being quite a new player.
Royal_Flush – All he has done is one complaint post about Faddy not answering his questions, and a post where he is surprised nobody jumped on SexyFish's OMGUS vote. I find the SexyFish post more interesting. with it, he is able to frame anyone who would jump on SexyFish about that in the future as someone jumping on easy target. If Royal and Sexy were scumbuddies, this would be a very efficient tactic to get all of the town to ignore his scumbuddy's questionable behaviour. Other than those two posts, there isn't anything. However, unlike with lot other inactive players on this list, I'm not able to scum-read Royal at this juncture. I honestly have no other explanation about that than gut feeling. That doesn't mean I'm town reading him though, it just lands him on the neutral spot.
Brazil – He feels like he is actively trying to solve the game, asking questions and trying to steer town away from mechanic discussion, and towards actual scumhunting. This behaviour might be bit NAI, since he is generally helpful as scum as well, but I'm definitely more leaning on town read for him at the moment. His interaction with giving DCPat easy town points is notable, though.
DCPat – The first noticeable posts from DCPat is him not understanding why knowing who has what card is beneficial for scum. Brazil says that this level of fail is bit more of a town read, but I don't know… last game Pat was scum, he staged one of the most obvious examples of scum trying to save their partner from lynch, and he got rightfully lynched for it the very next day. So it's not like Pat is above making major mistakes as scum. Other than that interaction though, pat has been posting short comments here and there. They are at least comments trying to solve the game, but they haven't been very original in my eyes, mostly just parroting what others have said in the game so far. His activity does raise him above "scum trying to just blend in and watch from the sidelines", but it's definitely not enough for me to town read him.
nin – I mostly like nin so far. He has been pretty coherent, and trying to scumhunt in his posts, which at this early point of game is always a town read for me. The only thing that makes me pause is how actively he went to defend Geno after I called him out of his possible role fishing attempt. I'm not a fan when others try to answer questions they weren't asked. Not sure if this came from the sense of camraderie nin has seemingly had with Geno, or from scum trying to defend a buddy. I'd lean on the former for now though, so I'm town reading nin.
Kyanrute – He definitely started the game with multiple possible scumtells. He definitely was trying to fish for information at the start, and his writing prose feels more like an attempt to obfuscate information rather than anything else. There's even been multiple players asking him explicitly to start write normally. But at the same time, he has consistently continued his posting style the same, and he hasn't backed down from his viewpoints even though he had lot of oppoturnities to do so. This in some weird way makes me actually town read him – scum Kyan would have easily changed his posting style in an effort to try to win town points for himself. So not backing down at all – that actually makes me town read him, in weird fashion. I wouldn't want to lynch him today.
zippedpinhead – I like zipped so far. He did discuss mechanics quite a lot early, but he also defended his posture of discussing them, which is a town sign for me. He is one of the few players who mostly discussed mechanics, yet I still town read them.
Kalor – Kalor is at a weird spot for me. He has posted quite a lot compared to some, but like with Pat, those posts are mostly short 1-2 sentence posts that either don't say that much, or parrot others. He is posting, but not contributing much to the game so far. But with the game at such an early stage, is it really a scum tell yet? I don't get the feeling of Kalor trying to blend to the crowd, at least.
Geno – Geno is an interesting case. The last game I played with him (Buck Bumble), he got very aggressive when he was called out or criticised. He was town that time. In this game, he feels lot more subdued. Not as aggressive, but he also feels less involved in the game as a result. Only interesting thing to note so far about him was his reaction to my note about him possibly role fishing. It wasn't aggressive reaction, but gave me slight OMGUS vibes. His post still might be slightly role-fishing. So is this change of behaviour born from wanting to evade the same situation as in Buck Bumble (where his aggresive behaviour more or less lead to his lynch on D1), or is it his scum buddies advising him to take a more relaxed approach? It's hard to say this early to the game, but I'm leaning on the former for now. I'm leaning neutral on him for now.
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So, to get a TL;DR on my reads at the moment:
Scum lean:
Apollo
Slight scum lean:
Sexy Fish
Xbro
Stuart444
empressdonna
Neutral lean:
Sophia
Royal_Flush
Geno
Kalor
Fandorin
DCPat
Slight town lean:
zippedpinhead
Kyanrute
nin
Town Lean:
SweetNicole
KetKat
Brazil
So, having said all that:
VOTE: Apollo
His weak vote on zipped, then retracting it, and then just fading into obscurity feels like a very solid case of a scum trying to seem helpful, yet not actually contributing to the game at all, and blending in with inactivity after.
I do town read nin at the moment. His soaring defence for Geno was weird, as was his justification for it. But at the same time, nin is always bit of a wild-card as a player. He doesn't always do the most rational actions even as town. In general I get the vibe from his posts that he wants to hunt scum and solve the game - something that is a town read for me at this early stage of the game, so I wouldn't want to lynch him.
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