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Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite
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So you don't think Kyan would be doing all of this if he was scum, but you're voting for him anyways? Can you sum it up a little better than a gut feeling?
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Rereading his earlier posts, he does say:
So you may be on the right track. At least we should keep that in mind.
Grizzly consented to Geno's post. He didn't try to contest the response Geno had to him, just agreed and moved on.
Either the roleplaying he's doing is just helpless for town or he's scum. Again, if that's just how he plays then I guess we should find another target and leave him be, but I have no previous info on him.
Yeah, it seems more hostile towards Grizzly than would be warranted. Nothing nonsensical about it.
It's definitely something to keep in mind, but I'm not looking to vote for it yet.
I know Geno can exaggerate a bit, especially when playing defensively, so that can explain the tone he used when responding.
Last game I was accused for role fishing and it was something innocous as hell, so I understand his plight. I'm of the opinion that this community blows out of proportion some broad questions related to that. Grizzly comment wasn't nearly that bad as Geno made it sound though.
I'm less interested in defending Grizzly and more interested in seeing where Geno is coming from here. The way he's trying to spin it And the fact that he did it in the first place is weird to me, regardless of Grizzly agreeing with him or not- I just have a different read here.
From the looks of things, Geno took the one thing and went to town with it, the moment Grizzly consented to the root of the issue, the entire thing just dissolved.
Hmm, want to hear more from Grizzly and Geno again on this then. I didn't get this impression that the matter was resolved.
Potential discussion in order to appear present:
This combined with some of the early strong anti-information comments felt artificially strong. Following the seeming artificiality, comrade Brazil was willing to touch a bit on the matter, what makes the stance seem more natural. A minor concern.
Very difficult to determine if comrade Stuart is genuine in his curiosity. Could be newness to communist ideas or not. Not enough to act on its own, but food for the days to come.
All-around comments about how speculation will not, no matter what, further the cause of the revolution. An amalgamate of a stance, excellent for future stance-switches. A concern.
An innocent comment that, to this comrade, seems to serve no grander purpose. A curiosity...
...that has a hint of a pattern. Looking for bad things? A very specific thing to pick as a capitalist instead of diversifying the concerns. Not a concern after reconsideration.
Abstract speculation. Somewhat of a minor concern, I can remember at least one post where this comrade is being abstract too so the pitchfork stings back at me as well.
Stance-stating, no engagement with the topic. Concerning, but the argument presented has the in-built defense where comrade Fish merely says that why would he discuss a topic that he feels it not worth it. Thus, hard to determine if genuine.
The interpretation by comrade Ketkat is understandable, but pushing for C12 reveal was not in this comrade's mind at any point. That idea was just brought up to see where the rest of the commune would want to go with it. As comrade Kyan never mentioned this outright, it is up to each on their own to decide what I was fishing for.
Responding to the concerns of the fellow revolutionaries is hard work! -an official comrade Kyaaa sidenote
Where did you get "no matter what" from? I'm very clear that my hesitance to rely too much on mechanical speculation stems from the lack of concrete information we have on account of it being D1. By this same token, it's only natural I might have a "stance-switch" when we do have more information to work with.
I can call out inactivity while not being overly active myself without feeling hypocritical, but thanks for your concern.
Yeah, rereading through that now, I can see how you were trying to just talk about the cards themselves and how those could be important. I still think it was a little strange to bring up revealing C12 in the first place with everything that implies, but I don't think you really pushed for it.
"No matter what" was used to describe your opinion about mechanics speculation in reference to today only. No matter what, the discussion about the mechanics would be useless today, that was the way I interpreted your opinion on the matter. It felt like a easy way to comment on something without going deeper into the argument.
Your concern, just like Grizzly's initial one, is not nonsense. I'm mulling this for a bit because Geno can be very aggressive when defending himself, as Fandorin said before.
Gotcha. In any case, I do stand by what I said in those posts. All we know other than the potential cards that can be drawn is what tokens are on the board and where they are. I think it's premature to to delve too deeply into those matters before anything has happened that can inform our discussions.
Comrade DCPat missing the bit about non-voters and identity confirmation at the start seems like a very non-capitalist move to make. The capitalists like to keep their mirrors shiny and only let the sun shine where their images are closest to the perfection they pretend to be. Enough to keep the comrade around for a day.
I don't know if the issue really 'dissolved'. I still said I felt his post felt like fishing, and Geno replied that I shouldn't say "nonsense". I didn't feel like it was worth it to argue the issue any further, and he hasn't really posted since them except for mentioning again how he doesn't like Kyan's posting style.
Kyan I love how coherent you are here:
And I don't love how you turned into a puzzle here
And I don't love how you turned into a puzzle here
Comrade, I too am ashamed of the 1st post you quoted. What can I say, even the hardest worker slips when not careful. Heavy is the burden of the revolution to carry. I shall take greater care in the future to represent myself in a manner fitting an exemplary of the workers such as myself.
Of course the thread picks up when I'm at work and can't post much. I won't be that active during Day End, but I'll be here.
For now I'll remove my vote, since I liked empress last posts. The way she soft town reads almost everyone gave me "new player" vibes unsure of what to think.
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For now I'll remove my vote, since I liked empress last posts. The way she soft town reads almost everyone gave me "new player" vibes unsure of what to think.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ==== Day Start
kyanrute (4 votes)
grizzly - #63 #69
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
xbro - #214
sexy fish - #300
sexy fish (3 votes)
brazil - #154 #247
empressdonna - #263
sweetnicole - #282
stuart444 - #295
apollo (1 votes)
grizzly - #249
nin (1 votes)
sweetnicole - #216 #223
brazil - #247
xbro (0 votes)
sophia - #194 #217
royal_flush (0 votes)
stuart444 - #260 #295
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
apollo - #141 #197
empressdonna (0 votes)
fandorin - #209 #325
stuart444 (0 votes)
sweetnicole - #206 #216
dcpat (0 votes)
zippedpinhead - #88 #94
brazil (0 votes)
sexy fish - #177 #300
sophia (0 votes)
grizzly - #86 #249
Post Counts: kyanrute: 23 fandorin: 22 grizzly: 22 nin: 19 brazil: 19 sophia: 17 geno: 15 dcpat: 15 kalor: 14 ketkat: 13 stuart444: 13 zippedpinhead: 12 sweetnicole: 11 apollo: 11 xbro: 9 royal_flush: 9 empressdonna: 9 sexy fish: 9 faddy: 6 bronx-man: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
MAJORITY is 10
DAY 1 ENDS IN
kyanrute (4 votes)
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
xbro - #214
sexy fish - #300
sexy fish (3 votes)
empressdonna - #263
sweetnicole - #282
stuart444 - #295
apollo (1 votes)
grizzly - #249
nin (1 votes)
brazil - #247
xbro (0 votes)
royal_flush (0 votes)
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
empressdonna (0 votes)
stuart444 (0 votes)
dcpat (0 votes)
brazil (0 votes)
sophia (0 votes)
Post Counts: kyanrute: 23 fandorin: 22 grizzly: 22 nin: 19 brazil: 19 sophia: 17 geno: 15 dcpat: 15 kalor: 14 ketkat: 13 stuart444: 13 zippedpinhead: 12 sweetnicole: 11 apollo: 11 xbro: 9 royal_flush: 9 empressdonna: 9 sexy fish: 9 faddy: 6 bronx-man: 1
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
MAJORITY is 10
DAY 1 ENDS IN
I think scum is on the Kyan vote so I'm going to pick someone from there. Kyan is an easy vote right now that doesn't require an actual reason to vote so I expect scum will try to push it.
Vote: Sexy Fish
They had the worse "I don't like the way they talk" vote explanation by saying that they'll go with their gut. Genos isn't much better but he at least seems genuine.
Vote: Sexy Fish
They had the worse "I don't like the way they talk" vote explanation by saying that they'll go with their gut. Genos isn't much better but he at least seems genuine.
I think you're right, his commitment to the act makes me think town. Scum would have pivoted in his shoes I think.
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Pretty funny how these votes came in a row...
The timing of these posts is suspicious, to say the least.
Also, Grizzly, are you saying WIFOM? "There's no way someone could be that openly scum"
Can you try to look a little more shady, guys? I think you came just short of getting the FBI in here.
I'm saying that I think scum would have been more likely to adjust their behaviour once so many people called them out. It's possible scum Kyan is trying to stick to his guns, but I think his behaviour is more likely to be town.
I'm going to be honest and say that looks incredibly shitty for me. I was rereading the page before Kalor posted and your post summed it up for me.
If that get's played into me getting lynched I wouldn't be surprised.
Well, you have a lot of votes on you already. Can you give us anything to go off of? Is there someone who you think is suspicious now that you've pulled your vote off Kyan?
I actually said pretty much the same thing Grizzly did earlier. Apollo even questioned me about and I explained it further.
Even if Xbro and Sexy Fish were both scum, I seriously doubt this was something they planned, but ended up unvoting at the same time by accident.
Yeah, I just needed the last interaction between me and Kyan to know he wasn't going to try and walk it back or tone it down. That's why I took my vote away.
Geno seems suspicious, and for some reason the dcpat/nin conversation didn't feel genuine to me.
But I am interested in why you think it looks shitty on you?
If I was in their situation, it would look like I read Kalor's post and tried to reason my way off of Kyan, therefore trying to get votes off of me. I agree that from my end it is nothing, but it definitely looks suspicious that two people took votes off of someone immediately after someone states that mafia is probably on them.
But if mafia did that you would think they were incredibly stupid.
Back in HvV, FEP and I were scum partners and ended up backing off of someone at the exact same time because we saw the same window of opportunity. Accidents happen.
Which basically means it's NAI right now. Just something to look back to in the future if it comes to that.
Yea if it would work like that Mafia would be so easy.
I'm not inclined to believe scum would've been on Kyan because of the easy vote. It was not an easy vote because it was purely based on the way Kyan was posting. Votes on Kyan were more bad votes than easy votes.
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