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Geno

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
nevermind, its obvious from the flavor that Royal_flush got gunned down on Mayfair, which means that Bond is just plain gone now

so maybe two scum roles?
If I had to guess I'd say that there is a role that bombs a place at night and everyone who lands on it dies or something, probably random because I doubt they thought many people would reach Bond by the second roll.
 

empressdonna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,096
Scotland, United Kingdom
I wonder where nin was at day end, we didn't hear much from him after a bit. What are your thoughts on what went down last night?

Also probably good to keep in mind, 3 people didn't have a vote down yesterday including Nin. Just something to ponder about for now.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
As a heads up, I'm currently in the middle of hammering out an application for deployment, but I'll be around later tonight.
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
I think I know what happened, I got swapped with someone else by either the cannon or the moneybag

Its hard to say what happened without knowing where you ended up (please don't say), but is it possible that you ended up swapped with one of them which counts as landing on the chance card? Which then sends you to trafalgar square, and you roll at the end of the night?
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,124
I think I'm going to do a Poke vote

Vote: Sophia

What are your thoughts on all this?

Dunno about the bomb, tbh. Don't think we have much information to go on regarding it.

Although I have a question for you and empressdonna: Why did the two of you leave your vote on Sexy Fish? You both had votes on him because you wanted to hear more from him, but didn't move your votes after hearing more from him.
 

Geno

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
Its hard to say what happened without knowing where you ended up (please don't say), but is it possible that you ended up swapped with one of them which counts as landing on the chance card? Which then sends you to trafalgar square, and you roll at the end of the night?
I'm not dumb, I'm not going to say. Question in my mind is that the swap card can be cast publicly, meaning we probably get a map update if it is used. Faddy never did that, leading me to believe that I wasn't swapped by the card at least.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
Dunno about the bomb, tbh. Don't think we have much information to go on regarding it.

Although I have a question for you and empressdonna: Why did the two of you leave your vote on Sexy Fish? You both had votes on him because you wanted to hear more from him, but didn't move your votes after hearing more from him.

Mostly because I wasn't sure on anyone else. Fish's subsequent replies made me read him as Scum so I felt instead of changing my vote before the days end, I'd leave it as he was the only person I was really leaning heavily as scum.
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Looks like my Apollo push isn't going to gain traction today.

VOTE: SexyFish

Fits the idea of a scum trying to blend in and going with the flow - his voting has been very oppoturnistic during the last hour too. I want to see him flip more than Geno right now.

Grizzly, what about Sexy Fishes voting looked opportunistic to you?
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
I'm not dumb, I'm not going to say. Question in my mind is that the swap card can be cast publicly, meaning we probably get a map update if it is used. Faddy never did that, leading me to believe that I wasn't swapped by the card at least.

Yeah, that's a good point actually. It probably wasn't the card and we just have a bus driver around here.

And I didn't really want you to answer that, more just trying to help you figure out what's going on because that is pretty confusing.
 

empressdonna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,096
Scotland, United Kingdom
Dunno about the bomb, tbh. Don't think we have much information to go on regarding it.

Although I have a question for you and empressdonna: Why did the two of you leave your vote on Sexy Fish? You both had votes on him because you wanted to hear more from him, but didn't move your votes after hearing more from him.

Despite his posts after my initial vote, I still didn't feel completely convinced by Fish at the time so it felt like it was my best shot at the time.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,750
I'm not dumb, I'm not going to say. Question in my mind is that the swap card can be cast publicly, meaning we probably get a map update if it is used. Faddy never did that, leading me to believe that I wasn't swapped by the card at least.
the swap card can be done in private or in public. I just think it was done in private during the night
 

Kyanrute

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Oct 25, 2017
3,629
Tomato
Kyan, wouldn't you agree that voting against someone who has 0 votes close to day end, when you're directly in the running for the lynch and there are two well-established vote trains around, is strangely nonpartisan for a communist?

Comrade Kyan was not a serious candidate for the next noose extension. That part is false. Yet this comrade agrees with the rest of the idea presented - that being his vote not befitting a good communist. Comrade Kyan was not able to get much out of his fellow comrades and the anti-revolutionary tendencies he detected were lesser than those he had detected in his past lives on days much similar to the dawn of the revolution. Comrade Kyan kept on reading, but no. Time marched on, and the post quoted is what comrade Kyan had to present when the sun was setting. Comrade Kyan is not happy with it and he hopes to get more out of the second cycle of the revolution. All workers are encouraged to use comrade Kyan against himself should the need arise. In addition, why sheep from having an opinion in regards the real candidates? Well, I did not smell the money on comrade Fish and I wanted to keep comrade Geno around to see if he could do more than bicker at a prophet of the revolution.

Good play? Below it, would comrade Kyan say were not he basking in his own glory.
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
The unvote he did from Kyan, and then later when he voted Geno with bunch of others. Basically the two voting things he did at the same time with Xbro.

Okay, I can see where you got that from. Do you think that reflects poorly on Xbro today or does it not matter since Fish was town.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,750
Trust me you didn't.
Maybe, but still be careful without movement information. There are rules and a set number of cards, everything likely flows in an operation where roles/movements/cards are all subject to an order and resolved a certain way. scum (or whoever swapped you with that card) knows more about this than any of us.

In another note, Why is the Cat on the house/hotel space for bow Street? Is that just placement or does that mean something?
 

Geno

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
Maybe, but still be careful without movement information. There are rules and a set number of cards, everything likely flows in an operation where roles/movements/cards are all subject to an order and resolved a certain way. scum (or whoever swapped you with that card) knows more about this than any of us.

In another note, Why is the Cat on the house/hotel space for bow Street? Is that just placement or does that mean something?
I assume it's just placing. Nothing to suggest otherwise right now.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,750
But it says before tonight, so it has to be before the day ends. But just now I asked Faddy if he would update the map if this happened and he said he cannot answer. So it could go either way.
makes sense. Only have to update the map once a day that way.

I've got to ride on home. I'll check back in after dinner (or maybe after I put the kids to bed).
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Maybe, but still be careful without movement information. There are rules and a set number of cards, everything likely flows in an operation where roles/movements/cards are all subject to an order and resolved a certain way. scum (or whoever swapped you with that card) knows more about this than any of us.

In another note, Why is the Cat on the house/hotel space for bow Street? Is that just placement or does that mean something?

The spots with four icons yesterday have two on the bottom and two on the house space so it probably means nothing.
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Comrade Kyan was not a serious candidate for the next noose extension. That part is false.
You voted on #421. At that point, Geno and Sexy Fish had 4 votes each, and you had 3. You were definitely up there.

Yet this comrade agrees with the rest of the idea presented - that being his vote not befitting a good communist. Comrade Kyan was not able to get much out of his fellow comrades and the anti-revolutionary tendencies he detected were lesser than those he had detected in his past lives on days much similar to the dawn of the revolution. Comrade Kyan kept on reading, but no. Time marched on, and the post quoted is what comrade Kyan had to present when the sun was setting. Comrade Kyan is not happy with it and he hopes to get more out of the second cycle of the revolution. All workers are encouraged to use comrade Kyan against himself should the need arise. In addition, why sheep from having an opinion in regards the real candidates? Well, I did not smell the money on comrade Fish and I wanted to keep comrade Geno around to see if he could do more than bicker at a prophet of the revolution.

Good play? Below it, would comrade Kyan say were not he basking in his own glory.
Right. There are quite a few things I would've done differently were I in that same situation, but I don't want to project my play style on you too much.

For now, I'm just making a note that you could have been trying to take the lights off of you by voting outside the actual possible choices. It'd be a smart move for scum in that position regardless of whether the two big names were both town, or if one of them was scum.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
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Oct 24, 2017
6,542
On thing I wanted to add in the minute break I have, the fact that Sexy Fish and Xbro voted around the same time was suspicious. However, while that same vote appears to be nothing more than bad timing now, that is by no means a green check for Xbro.

When I'm around later tonight, I will catch up and analyze the votes from yesterday.
 

Geno

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
On thing I wanted to add in the minute break I have, the fact that Sexy Fish and Xbro voted around the same time was suspicious. However, while that same vote appears to be nothing more than bad timing now, that is by no means a green check for Xbro.

When I'm around later tonight, I will catch up and analyze the votes from yesterday.
I thought we already concluded it was NAI from the very beginning.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,202
Okay, I can see where you got that from. Do you think that reflects poorly on Xbro today or does it not matter since Fish was town.

Like I mentioned on D1, I doubted that even if Xbro and SF were scum buddies, they wouldn't have planned their actions to go at the same time. So I don't think SF being town is going to clear Xbro to any direction.

I was open yesterday for Xbro lynch too.
 

Kyanrute

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Oct 25, 2017
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You voted on #421. At that point, Geno and Sexy Fish had 4 votes each, and you had 3. You were definitely up there.

Right. There are quite a few things I would've done differently were I in that same situation, but I don't want to project my play style on you too much.

For now, I'm just making a note that you could have been trying to take the lights off of you by voting outside the actual possible choices. It'd be a smart move for scum in that position regardless of whether the two big names were both town, or if one of them was scum.

The feeling in the commune hall was against lynching me, I felt, yet I will concede the point that the situation was different from the point of mathematics. A minor disagreement on the 2nd point as well, comrade. The suggested possible capitalist play of mine is very obvious and brings unnecessary attention to me. One could say that because it was the dawn of the revolution that the attention would not had meant that much, but still. A capitalist votes on one of the trains and the proletariat is none the wiser; that I believe would've been the smarter move, no matter what my real thoughts about the society are.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,202
For now, I'm just making a note that you could have been trying to take the lights off of you by voting outside the actual possible choices. It'd be a smart move for scum in that position regardless of whether the two big names were both town, or if one of them was scum.

If D1 was a town vs town vote, then scum could have safely voted outside the main targets, without caring much about who would get lynched (SF or Geno).
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,124
Mostly because I wasn't sure on anyone else. Fish's subsequent replies made me read him as Scum so I felt instead of changing my vote before the days end, I'd leave it as he was the only person I was really leaning heavily as scum.

Despite his posts after my initial vote, I still didn't feel completely convinced by Fish at the time so it felt like it was my best shot at the time.

Apologizes for looping you two together like this, as I'm going down the list, but could you point out specifically what you felt was scummy after your votes? I didn't think there was much particularly scummy about him near the end, but I also wasn't really town reading him either so...

I mentioned Ketkat's vote at the end of the day phase, which I didn't like for seeming more like an information vote at the time, but I need to re-read over his whole reads.

There's also the trio of SweetNicole, Grizzly, and Zipped jumping on at the end, although I'm not sure how much relevant that is.
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
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Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
If D1 was a town vs town vote, then scum could have safely voted outside the main targets, without caring much about who would get lynched (SF or Geno).
That's what I meant. If it was scum vs. town, voting outside of it is better than getting caught trying to save a scummate. If it was town vs. town, there's no urgency for scum to choose between either.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
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Oct 25, 2017
4,202
So the ones who didn't vote yesterday were Brazil, nin and Xbro, right? Nin wasn't around at all, and Brazil/Xbro unvoted during last hour.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Its probably worth noting that Royal Flush was on the Mayfair tile when he died. The only person within 5 spaces was the horse and rider, so I would assume that scum either have a range larger than that or they're able to target actual players and not just tokens. Definitely something to keep in mind as the days go on

Where does the 5 spaces come from?
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,202
Although I town read him D1, I don't like it how quiet Nin has been. He was completely absent from most of the second half of D1. Scum who is afraid to post...?
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170
Still feel like talking about the board and the mechanics is so much speculation at the moment. To many unknowns. At the moment I don't see an incentive to talk it.

Out of the top of my head I can't really recall much of RF. His vote was on Geno. Will have to look back on RF.
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170
Hmm... DCPat didn't mention Sexy Fish at all until his vote on him.

Well I've had him on my mind and especially after his reaction to all the suspicion regarding the timing of his unvote caught my attention. I asked him about it but you are right I never layed it out.

But I could've voted for somebody else outside the 3 candidates, but I like to help towards an lynch.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
9,073
Apologizes for looping you two together like this, as I'm going down the list, but could you point out specifically what you felt was scummy after your votes? I didn't think there was much particularly scummy about him near the end, but I also wasn't really town reading him either so...

Pretty much due to the way he Unvoted Kyan which was at the same time as Xbros but they reacted differently. Fish reacted more nervously, like he was caught out based on his post afterwards to the suspicion surrounding it. It was NAI was Xbros but Fish's reaction made me lean towards Scum.
 

Stuart444

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Oct 25, 2017
9,073
Nin has been very quiet as well, both at the end of the last day with no Vote and at the start of today.

Vote: Nin

Why didn't you vote? What are your thoughts so far?
 

empressdonna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,096
Scotland, United Kingdom
Apologizes for looping you two together like this, as I'm going down the list, but could you point out specifically what you felt was scummy after your votes? I didn't think there was much particularly scummy about him near the end, but I also wasn't really town reading him either so..

Despite the fact he had voted for kyan at the time, I felt like this post in particular was him trying to protect kyan.

Either the roleplaying he's doing is just helpless for town or he's scum. Again, if that's just how he plays then I guess we should find another target and leave him be, but I have no previous info on him.

And with his joking one-off comment to Royal, that didn't help matters much. It just seemed off to me and that's why I felt like he was scum trying to protect a fellow scummate.

With fish flipping town, it turns out I probably just read too much into it though I do admit it makes me ponder kyan's alignment since I just can't tell still. Overexcited roleplaying town? Neutral? I don't know.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
At this point, nin's absence isn't just abnormal, it's downright scummy. He wasn't here at the end of yesterday, did not place a single vote yesterday, and hasn't shown up so far today. I'm going to need to hear a very convincing argument from nin for his absence and actions for him to not be my top candidate for lynching today.

For right now, I feel fine leaving a vote on him. VOTE: nin

Sophia you mentioned others votes, but would you mind explaining this vote a little better?

I agree.

Vote: Kyanrute

Don't throw shade and then not vote.

At least you clarified that it's a gut feel. I guess that's an improvement?

At the end of the day, you threw a throwaway vote at Kyanrute at the last minute after he had stopped being one of the leading trains based on the reasoning that he threw shade at Brazil, but wouldn't vote for him. While I wouldn't have a problem with if Kyan was one of the leading trains, it was fairly clear at that point that Kyan wasn't going to be lynched yesterday. He had zero votes on him when you voted for him. You seemed to at least somewhat accept his reasoning for his comment, but you left your vote on him all the same through the end of the day.

I am certainly starting to understand why Geno would want to straight up ignore you, even if I think it's slightly scummy to do so due to the nature of the game. :P

I also echo SweetNicole's thoughts about wanting to hear more from you, as that would go a long ways to helping solidify my read of you.

Has anyone ever told you that you're annoying? Seriously, we're playing Mafia, not writing awful fanfiction that tries to ape the worst qualities of Blargonaut with none of the charm.

Was there some greater reasoning beyond these two posts and the others above that you voted for Kyan?
 

SweetNicole

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Oct 24, 2017
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Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,124
At the end of the day, you threw a throwaway vote at Kyanrute at the last minute after he had stopped being one of the leading trains based on the reasoning that he threw shade at Brazil, but wouldn't vote for him. While I wouldn't have a problem with if Kyan was one of the leading trains, it was fairly clear at that point that Kyan wasn't going to be lynched yesterday. He had zero votes on him when you voted for him. You seemed to at least somewhat accept his reasoning for his comment, but you left your vote on him all the same through the end of the day.

Was there some greater reasoning beyond these two posts and the others above that you voted for Kyan?

In regards to the vote, I didn't have very strong reads at the time, and Kyan was pissing me off. I left my vote because he didn't vote for Brazil after promptly throwing shade on him, and then I got caught up in reading the votes on Sexy Fish. In retrospect, I probably should have voted for Geno, as I was slightly scum reading him earlier, so that's my mistake.

In regards to the first of the two posts in question, the reasoning was as stated: It would help solidify my reads of him. He eventually provided light reads later at post #421, although he didn't significantly expand upon them.

In regards to the second of the two posts in question, there was no greater reasoning. His post at #278 was simply more obtuse than normal, and while obtuse Kyan can be funny from the sidelines, I dislike it when I'm actually playing with him.

(It should stand to reason from this that re-reading over Geno and Kyan should be my next step, which I will do... Soonish™️)
 
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