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Budi

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's true... lol forget what i said
Could you specify a little what you think those descriptions are lacking? I don't really know anything about how this works so I'd be interested to know. Currently for their both gaming podcasts they have timestamps in the description, so it mentions the games they are talking about so those videos do come up on searches for the games. For reviews they mention the platforms the game is available, so searching based on platform should bring up their videos too (I assume). Don't Skip video descriptions don't mention the platforms, would adding those help? All of their video descriptions also include links to twitter, patreon, twitch, their site with the schedule, merchandise and facebook. What else do you think would be important and helpful to add?
 
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Could you specify a little what you think those descriptions are lacking? I don't really know anything about how this works so I'd be interested to know. Currently for their both gaming podcasts they have timestamps in the description, so it mentions the games they are talking about so those videos do come up on searches for the games. For reviews they mention the platforms the game is available, so searching based on platform should bring up their videos too (I assume). Don't Skip video descriptions don't mention the platforms, would adding those help? All of their video descriptions also include links to twitter, patreon, twitch, their site with the schedule, merchandise and facebook. What else do you think would be important to add?
In general the descriptions are fine and as Blood mentioned, in the background extra keywords are put. The podcast with timestamps doesnt need much else. However nowehere does it mention it's a videogame podcast . The word 'video game' are for example not present in the podcast description. Not a big problem of course but its an example.

All the links are fine of course.

In the description of Checking out Far Cry 5, some extra keyword could have been added like 'Twitch', 'FPS', Playstation' etc (was probably added in the background though).

If you really wanna learn about SEO check out moz.com or the developers google blog. :)
 

Budi

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In general the descriptions are fine and as Blood mentioned, in the background extra keywords are put. The podcast with timestamps doesnt need much else. However nowehere does it mention it's a videogame podcast . The word 'video game' are for example not present in the podcast description. Not a big problem of course but its an example.

All the links are fine of course.

In the description of Checking out Far Cry 5, some extra keyword could have been added like 'Twitch', 'FPS', Playstation' etc (was probably added in the background though).

If you really wanna learn about SEO check out moz.com or the developers google blog. :)
Thanks! I'll check those out. I feel I should know bit about this stuff as I'm currently studying something where this could be helpful! And I'm quite behind on social media especially since I don't really use it myself.
 

Bloodworth

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In general the descriptions are fine and as Blood mentioned, in the background extra keywords are put. The podcast with timestamps doesnt need much else. However nowehere does it mention it's a videogame podcast . The word 'video game' are for example not present in the podcast description. Not a big problem of course but its an example.

All the links are fine of course.

In the description of Checking out Far Cry 5, some extra keyword could have been added like 'Twitch', 'FPS', Playstation' etc (was probably added in the background though).

If you really wanna learn about SEO check out moz.com or the developers google blog. :)
you know what's kind of annoying right now? including common gaming search terms like FPS or shooter are now likely to result in an "inappropriate content" flag that you have to appeal

EDIT - and yeah video game, gaming, etc. are included in those keywords too, as well as being associated with YouTube's Gaming category.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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where did i say that? i was wondering why it stays despite pulling very low number that are consistently dropping from week to week with the obvious answer being that they like doing it. the last few pages were people suggesting what they could do better and to do something better or different time has to be freed up somewhere. saying that this is a segment that might not be the most profitable feels like i insulted them on here.

as i said above if they're comfortable at the patreon level they are now they should just keep trucking on. i just think that for growth to happen the channel needs a little bit of reforming, it has been pretty stale since the beginning.

Its stays because it is one of the first Patreon goals and one of their best shows. It's clear its a favorite show for the people in Patreon which is why it is there in the first place and the whole point of the patreon is to produce shows that dont depend on youtube views.

What EZA needs is to be known and attract more people to watch their stuff. What they don't need is to change who they are or what makes them different or special.
 

MrMette

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Oct 29, 2017
2,303
Belgium
i'm poking the beehive here but i wonder how "Tabletop Escapades" hasn't been cut yet.
takes 5 allies an hour to shoot an episode and the view numbers are bad and in consistent decline.

this isn't an assesment of the quality of the show, just raw looking at raw numbers. EZAnime pulled better numbers and used up about half as many man hours.
From what I understood when they started EZA, they were tired that everything was decided/controlled by views at GT and wanted to create shows they wanted to create.
Views of a show is not the only thing that means anything. Creators should create shows which they want to create and which they enjoy creating. Otherwise there is a chance of burnout which can mean worse content.

They clearly enjoy doing TTE. I still love watching it and I am sure a lot of other people do as well.

You also forget that watching 50 episodes of an Anime show takes a lot of time and multiple people need to watch them before they could create an EZAnime episode.
I am not convinced it uses up half as many man hours at all.

I know it's different for all patrons, but I support them on patreon so that they can create the shows they want to create. From what I have seen, most of them don't like the idea to be managed by a corporation again who tells them what to do based on views and who kills everything that doesn't perform and tries to make them creatively dead and do top 10s constantly because of the views (I wouldn't mind them doing them once in a while, but you can hear from Jones that he really did so many he really doesn't want to do them any more).

Btw, I don't think that doing what everybody else does is the way to go. There are plenty of other, bigger channels for that type of content and they will not get better known by doing what everybody else does.
 
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ZeoVGM

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Huber's critique of Ratchet & Clank -- the fact that he scored it lower because you visit the same areas and use the same weapons -- is so incredibly change.

It's... a remake. That's literally the point. I mean, would he apply that same logic to a remake like Shadow of the Colossus which is the same type of game: a remake with not much changed?
 
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BradGrenz

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Its stays because it is one of the first Patreon goals and one of their best shows. It's clear its a favorite show for the people in Patreon which is why it is there in the first place and the whole point of the patreon is to produce shows that dont depend on youtube views.

What EZA needs is to be known and attract more people to watch their stuff. What they don't need is to change who they are or what makes them different or special.

Exactly, I support the patreon because I don't want them to feel like they need to view grub like most shameless YouTube channels. The last thing I want is the Allies to spend most of their time chasing the vapor that is the YouTube algorithm. I'd love for them to be more known, but so more people will see the value in letting them do their thing with direct financial support on Patreon.
 

Stowaway Silfer

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Huber's critique of Ratchet & Clank -- the fact that he scored it lower because you visit the same areas and use the same weapons -- is so incredibly change.

It's... a remake. That's literally the point. I mean, would he apply that same thing to a remake like Shadow of the Colossus which is the same type of thing: a remake with not much changed?

Yeah it's weird
 
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Huber's critique of Ratchet & Clank -- the fact that he scored it lower because you visit the same areas and use the same weapons -- is so incredibly change.

It's... a remake. That's literally the point. I mean, would he apply that same logic to a remake like Shadow of the Colossus which is the same type of game: a remake with not much changed?

Yeah it doesn't make sense. The game is framed as a retelling of the story but it's still a remake so I am not sure what he wanted. If they did a straight remake and kept all weapons from the original he might have given it a 1 lol.

I also found it wierd in frame trap all they did was double there star scores to be 7 which is what they complained about people doing a couple of frame traps ago. And it was almost the same panel too.
 
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Huber is also the dude who said on the podcast two years ago there were too many beat'em ups coming out. Sometimes he just says stuff without thinking and it's very wrong =P
 

ZeroNoir_

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Kneefoil

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The new Ratchet & Clank is more of a reboot and re-imagining of the first game rather than a pure remake, which is why I actually agree with Huber's criticism.
 

hank_tree

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Huber's critique of Ratchet & Clank -- the fact that he scored it lower because you visit the same areas and use the same weapons -- is so incredibly change.

It's... a remake. That's literally the point. I mean, would he apply that same logic to a remake like Shadow of the Colossus which is the same type of game: a remake with not much changed?

Being a remake doesn't excuse it from criticism. Huber was very clear on his thought process on Frame Trap.
 

ZeoVGM

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76,219
Providence, RI
Being a remake doesn't excuse it from criticism. Huber was very clear on his thought process on Frame Trap.

Huh? I think you missed the point a bit. I didn't say it's excused from criticism.

I'm talking about the specific criticism I explained in my previous post, which is an unfair criticism against a game that exists with the purpose of being a remake. Docking points because a remake of a game "takes you though the same areas" doesn't make sense.

And I understand that he loves the game. What I'm questioning is that very specific critique, the main reason he himself stated he took points off the review score.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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new ratchet and clank is an easy 9. argument for a 10. one of the funnest games ive played the past few years. huber brought too much of his own baggage with his review.
 

abrack

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Oct 25, 2017
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While I personally would rate the new R&C higher than he did, I think Huber's criticism is totally valid. "My favorite part of this series is experiencing new weapons and locations, this game didn't have that so it was somewhat disappointing." Logic tracks. A game being a remake doesn't mean it can't be criticized for a problem (potentially) inherent in remakes.
 
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While I personally would rate the new R&C higher than he did, I think Huber's criticism is totally valid. "My favorite part of this series is experiencing new weapons and locations, this game didn't have that so it was somewhat disappointing." Logic tracks. A game being a remake doesn't mean it can't be criticized for a problem (potentially) inherent in remakes.

But that's literally every remake / remaster. What he wanted was a new game and it doesn't make sense to expect that from a remake. The remake improved on the original in every way possible.
 

abrack

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But that's literally every remake / remaster. What he wanted was a new game and it doesn't make sense to expect that from a remake. The remake improved on the original in every way possible.

He's not rating the quality of it as a remake, he's rating his enjoyment of the game. He enjoyed it less than the other mainline games because the weapons were rehashed.
 
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but shouldnt he be reviewing it for its intended market?

it would be like giving a kids game a shit score because youre an adult. the remake was intended to be for people who had never played the original. so it seems weird to criticise a remake for not having new weapons or locations.
 

Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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No, he should be reviewing based on his personal opinion. I want to hear what the named reviewer thinks, not guessing a demographic.
 

JayC3

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But that's literally every remake / remaster. What he wanted was a new game and it doesn't make sense to expect that from a remake. The remake improved on the original in every way possible.
I think remakes are tricky because there are so many ways to do them. On one hand, you have faithful remakes like Shadow of the Colossus, but on the other, you have games like Resident Evil Remake that take the original and add on to it in new and interesting ways. And then you have really awful ones, like the Wii version of Dead Rising. And most fall in between these categories.

For Ratchet, specifically, I think we have to take context into account. There have been a ton of Ratchet games, and so a faithful remake of Ratchet might come across as not that interesting in 201X. But I honestly can't think of very many games like Shadow of the Colossus; even just taking the gameplay and improving the graphics, you still get a unique experience.
 

issa

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Oct 26, 2017
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The WiiWare stream was way more enjoyable than I expected.

Kyle: "I do wanna go to heaven though."
Ian: "Well, make different life choices."

+ lol @ the spoiler warning on the 1st hour of Minit stream!

I didn't go into the new thumbnail design with the intent of testing them, but upon putting it out in the wild, the limitations and problems became clear. The original intent was to replace the left banner, so it only applies to those shows and pieces of editorial content. Kyle also decided to use the new format for the podcast, but I don't think every show needs to adopt the same style. Huber Syndrome, Game Sleuth, Tabletop, etc. all have their own distinct looks.
My issue with the new one is that it's a lot less elegant than the previous one, even if it is more functional. When seeing it next to "Checkin' out" the boring text is more inviting to me.

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Also I'll resuggest differentiating the group streams from the other streams since they appeal to a much bigger audience (they're probably the only reason I'm subscribed to EZA Plays).

but shouldnt he be reviewing it for its intended market?

it would be like giving a kids game a shit score because youre an adult. the remake was intended to be for people who had never played the original. so it seems weird to criticise a remake for not having new weapons or locations.
That would be like the way they vote for animated movies at the oscars. "I dunno my kid liked it I guess."
 

hank_tree

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Huh? I think you missed the point a bit. I didn't say it's excused from criticism.

I'm talking about the specific criticism I explained in my previous post, which is an unfair criticism against a game that exists with the purpose of being a remake. Docking points because a remake of a game "takes you though the same areas" doesn't make sense.

And I understand that he loves the game. What I'm questioning is that very specific critique, the main reason he himself stated he took points off the review score.

That's nonsense. He reviewed his honest experience with the game and gave a score accordingly. What you are suggesting is that instead of scoring their own experience, reviewers should instead try and guess how other people will feel and give the score accordingly. Utter rubbish.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So reviewers shouldn't consider their audience when providing them with reviews? Isn't the entire point of reviews to help people make informed purchases?
 

Stowaway Silfer

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So reviewers shouldn't consider their audience when providing them with reviews? Isn't the entire point of reviews to help people make informed purchases?
I think considering the audience is a perspective to have and certainly in the way reviews are worded, you should be able to identify whether the problems or positives discussed would apply to you or not. But in a world with hundreds of outlets, considering the audience is not as relevant since there's enough reviews out there to find something that speaks to you on a personal level.
 
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But that's literally every remake / remaster. What he wanted was a new game and it doesn't make sense to expect that from a remake. The remake improved on the original in every way possible.
I dunno about that. We have multiple remakes that strongly shake things up. And he said the point of R&C to him is to experience new locations and weapons.

That is absolutely not the case of every series.
 

Charamiwa

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Oct 25, 2017
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So reviewers shouldn't consider their audience when providing them with reviews? Isn't the entire point of reviews to help people make informed purchases?
The audience can also do the work. "Mmmmh his main complaint is that none of the weapons are new to the series. But I've never played the series so it's good for me" There you go.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ugh, don't remind me. I want a Switch so damn much ;_;

Though I still haven't gone through the Bravely Default games so that may scratch that itch for a while.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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What are the chances Octopath comes to PS4?

Also, glad EZA is looking to their Patrons for E3 suggestions. Hopefully this one is a banger. 2017 was kinda mehh for me.
 
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