Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite

Fandorin · Apr 4, 2018

I'm here. Some mechanics talk first.

I share Geno's (I think) opinion that Bond Street's explosion is a random "Area of Effect" kill. Maybe the killer picks a color from the board and RNG decides which property will be blown up. Flavor might be giving a clue that this is not the work from the Mafia, but that's surely not a townie role. If there's a vigilante in game I believe it would get a precise command, and it's evident that this command failed ( no one died and most of the players were pretty far from Bond Street).

Combining both boards, we got at least 4 Chance (3 D1 + 1 D2) and 2 Community cards already in play. Since cards can't be picked up draw again till the whole pile is re-shuffled, I think it's important to keep in mind the already publicly used cards. When tokens start being revealed, scum might try and keep command cards hidden or manipulate available info. For example, Thimble most likely got hit by C11 last night and missed his dice roll, that or someone swapped places with him and somehow he landed on the same spot.

DCPat said:
Wut?

I think it's very anti-town to vote outside of day end wagons, and I won't do it. I had to take a stand that late into the phase and was town reading all 3 wagons at the time. Geno's post explaining his refusal to move his vote and go for self preservation didn't feel right to me, and that was the tipping point for me to vote for him.

I'm still town reading him, and I would really hate if he actually got lynched D1, but I stand by my vote. I would've probably voted for kyan if he had more votes at the time.

Geno said:
I will see, my last minute votes were quite interesting to say the least, Xbro and Fandorin come to mind.

I'm curious, what do you see that's interesting in my vote? I evidently wasn't covering for Sexy, so what could it be?

Fandorin · Apr 4, 2018

Royal being the NK target is really weird and obviously proves scum can't target players directly. This is the pure unfiltered truth without an ounce of confirmation bias.

Android Sophia · Apr 4, 2018

A re-read of Geno gives me slightly mixed feelings leaning in favor of Kyan. At first, I saw these posts

Geno said:
Back home until day end. Few things.
1.Apollo are you reading? I already said why what Grizzly said was nonsense, not what the rest said, Grizzly. It was because he didn't feel the post was a call to mass claim but rather rolefishing, in that situation it COULDN'T be rolefishing without being a mass claim call because I wasn't talking to anyone in particular.
2.I already said in Buck Bumble I was going to switch my playstyle because I didn't feel like activity is being rewarded and I still don't.
3.My vote will stay on Kyan for the foreseeable future of the game until he is out.

and then when asked by DCPat why, he gave this...

Geno said:
Name me the things he contributed.

Which didn't fill me with confidence.

But then I noticed the rather quick rate at which Geno suddenly gained votes (which SweetNicole pointed out at #396), and now I've kinda paused on my mixed feelings. One of those people on that vote was Ketkat, who jumped ship to Sexy Fish afterwords. I already made my opinion on that vote clear at posts #428 and #436

Need to continue re-reading over Kyan.

nin · Apr 5, 2018

Okay i am back.
First of all sorry for not being here on day end. I know its bad since every vote counts. Its even worse since i did not even put a vote down before i went afk. There is no excuse for it ans i will stand for the damage i caused due to my absence. It looks of course bad since i was a very vocal player at the beginning of the game. That however wont happen again.

With that out of the way i just wanted to put a short summary down of things that happened and caused some discussion.
Feel free to add and edit things on that list

Day1

Kyans accent
Geno role fishing/or not
Bear calling him out on it
Nin kinda defending geno
Kalor/dcpat/brazil saying kyan being kyan
Nin arguing about kyan being kyan
Vote shifting at the same time from xbro and sexy fish

Thats it for the moment, please give me some time (wont be that long) to re-read the thread but i will be around :)

Apollo · Apr 5, 2018

Gonna drop my vote on Geno again real quick.

VOTE: Geno

No guarantee it'll stay there all day because my feelings on him haven't really developed beyond what they were D1, but if he were to be lynched then it could make the votes that day potentially informative.

Not really sure what else to focus on ATM. This is a bit of convenient timing since he just showed up, but I find my eyebrows slightly raised at SweetNicole's post about nin. Namely how she says that it would take a rather convincing argument for him to not end up being her top lynch candidate. I'm not advocating for his absence of late (it's certainly not helped town), but it feels a little forced to me to call it blatantly scummy. It's one of those NAI things for me at this point (which is an acronym I've learned in this thread...!).

nin · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
Although I town read him D1, I don't like it how quiet Nin has been. He was completely absent from most of the second half of D1. Scum who is afraid to post...?

I just wasnt around, or near my cell phone.
Again thats no excuse since i signed up for this game to be around but i hope you believe me in this case.

I am not afraid to talk me into my own grave :3

nin · Apr 5, 2018

SweetNicole said:
At this point, nin's absence isn't just abnormal, it's downright scummy. He wasn't here at the end of yesterday, did not place a single vote yesterday, and hasn't shown up so far today. I'm going to need to hear a very convincing argument from nin for his absence and actions for him to not be my top candidate for lynching today.

While i certanly can understand the anger that brought my absence ( i am far too much fun to play with ) saying that being absent is downright scummy is a bit hyperbole. I dont want you to unvote me nicole, i play better while having votes on me, i just want you to rethink some things regarding my absence. I dont want to sound like a broken record since i already stated that i will get the heat i deserve for being absent ( a vote or some votes ).

nin · Apr 5, 2018

Oh and since i dont want to let things happen again like last time lets start playing the game.

Vote: empressdonna

Somehow you have given me the feeling of coasting up to this point. Nothing out of thr box has been said or done and the reason for leaving your vote on sexy fish is really weak.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin said:
I'm here. Some mechanics talk first.

I share Geno's (I think) opinion that Bond Street's explosion is a random "Area of Effect" kill. Maybe the killer picks a color from the board and RNG decides which property will be blown up. Flavor might be giving a clue that this is not the work from the Mafia, but that's surely not a townie role. If there's a vigilante in game I believe it would get a precise command, and it's evident that this command failed ( no one died and most of the players were pretty far from Bond Street).

Combining both boards, we got at least 4 Chance (3 D1 + 1 D2) and 2 Community cards already in play. Since cards can't be picked up draw again till the whole pile is re-shuffled, I think it's important to keep in mind the already publicly used cards. When tokens start being revealed, scum might try and keep command cards hidden or manipulate available info. For example, Thimble most likely got hit by C11 last night and missed his dice roll, that or someone swapped places with him and somehow he landed on the same spot.

I think it's very anti-town to vote outside of day end wagons, and I won't do it. I had to take a stand that late into the phase and was town reading all 3 wagons at the time. Geno's post explaining his refusal to move his vote and go for self preservation didn't feel right to me, and that was the tipping point for me to vote for him.

I'm still town reading him, and I would really hate if he actually got lynched D1, but I stand by my vote. I would've probably voted for kyan if he had more votes at the time.

I'm curious, what do you see that's interesting in my vote? I evidently wasn't covering for Sexy, so what could it be?

Just like to know your reasoning then for choosing Geno over Sexy Fish. Because to me, without any reasoning on either one of the 2, it looks like you didn't want to burn your fingers on this lynch.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin said:
I think it's very anti-town to vote outside of day end wagons, and I won't do it. I had to take a stand that late into the phase and was town reading all 3 wagons at the time. Geno's post explaining his refusal to move his vote and go for self preservation didn't feel right to me, and that was the tipping point for me to vote for him.

I'm still town reading him, and I would really hate if he actually got lynched D1, but I stand by my vote. I would've probably voted for kyan if he had more votes at the time.

This post is so bullshit. First you say it's anti town to vote outside of the wagons, which is dumb. Secondly you say you town read all 3 of us but you felt forced to vote one because??? Third you say you would've voted Kyan if he had more votes, Kyan had plenty if votes, easily could've turned in a lynch. Lastly you are saying that DESPITE STILL town reading me, you felt the need to vote with less than 2 minutes before day end, risking a no lynch and putting us in a bad spot, YET that's totally not an anti town move. And all that just because I didn't vote who you wanted me to. Can we lynch Fandorin already guys?

Fandorin · Apr 5, 2018

DCPat said:
Just like to know your reasoning then for choosing Geno over Sexy Fish. Because to me, without any reasoning on either one of the 2, it looks like you didn't want to burn your fingers on this lynch.

Geno said:
This post is so bullshit. First you say it's anti town to vote outside of the wagons, which is dumb. Secondly you say you town read all 3 of us but you felt forced to vote one because??? Third you say you would've voted Kyan if he had more votes, Kyan had plenty if votes, easily could've turned in a lynch. Lastly you are saying that DESPITE STILL town reading me, you felt the need to vote with less than 2 minutes before day end, risking a no lynch and putting us in a bad spot, YET that's totally not an anti town move. And all that just because I didn't vote who you wanted me to. Can we lynch Fandorin already guys?

Vote count with my vote was 7 for Sexy, 5 for Geno and 2 for kyan (already adding Grizzly and Nicole votes) 3 minutes away from Day End. It was a close lynch. We had lots of last minutes votes that could've gone either way, we had Nicole, Zipped on Sexy and Xbro unvoting on Geno. It was not a clear cut case when I voted.

Geno, you still had your vote on kyan claiming to "trust in town that they won't lynch you". If my vote on you in these circumstances lead us into a No Lynch that's on you. Change your vote then, kyan was sitting at 2 votes at the time counting yours, a vote that could change if you needed to, so that is not "plenty of votes" at all.

I don't think it's dumb that town players need to choose a wagon at day end. It's actually been discussed already this phase, and others have said it better than I could. kyan vote on Xbro looks kinda scummy to me, so much so that he himself says it's too blatant a move if he was scum.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin said:
Vote count with my vote was 7 for Sexy, 5 for Geno and 2 for kyan (already adding Grizzly and Nicole votes) 3 minutes away from Day End. It was a close lynch. We had lots of last minutes votes that could've gone either way, we had Nicole, Zipped on Sexy and Xbro unvoting on Geno. It was not a clear cut case when I voted.

Geno, you still had your vote on kyan claiming to "trust in town that they won't lynch you". If my vote on you in these circumstances lead us into a No Lynch that's on you. Change your vote then, kyan was sitting at 2 votes at the time counting yours, a vote that could change if you needed to, so that is not "plenty of votes" at all.

I don't think it's dumb that town players need to choose a wagon at day end. It's actually been discussed already this phase, and others have said it better than I could. kyan vote on Xbro looks kinda scummy to me, so much so that he himself says it's too blatant a move if he was scum.

How is it on me when the only reason you voted me was BECAUSE I didn't change my vote? You are talking nonsense rn and you know it.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin, you can include my quote in your answer to Geno, but you don't really answer me.

It was not a clear cut case, so even more reason for a well considered vote between SF and Geno.

Fandorin · Apr 5, 2018

Geno said:
How is it on me when the only reason you voted me was BECAUSE I didn't change my vote? You are talking nonsense rn and you know it.

Nah. That's exactly my point. I voted for you because I wanted to see you move your vote. Instead of guaranteeing your safety and actually doing it, you posted about how confused you were with my vote about 1 minute away from Day End.

At that point, it kinda looks like you didn't want to be on the lynching wagon.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin said:
Nah. That's exactly my point. I voted for you because I wanted to see you move your vote. Instead of guaranteeing your safety and actually doing it, you posted about how confused you were with my vote about 1 minute away from Day End.

At that point, it kinda looks like you didn't want to be on the lynching wagon.

I'm sorry but you are still making no sense. You risked a No lynch because you wanted me to change my vote. Plus how sure are you it guarantees my safety? If it wasn't as clear cut as you say then 1 vote still doesn't guarantee it, and you are saying all this despite town reading me. If you think everyone in the lead is town YOU DO NOT VOTE EITHER. Nobody is going to give you shit for voting Kyan or whatever. NOBODY.

Fandorin · Apr 5, 2018

DCPat said:
Fandorin, you can include my quote in your answer to Geno, but you don't really answer me.

It was not a clear cut case, so even more reason for a well considered vote between SF and Geno.

I'm guessing by well considered vote you want to hear more about my reasoning for voting Geno instead of Sexy Fish?
Well, once SF started actually posting I felt town vibes from him, his comments on his own inactivity especially. The polemic about the triple vote in quick succession was NAI to me and I liked his response to that as well.

I don't share the suspicions brought up on Geno D1, and his play style seems solid enough. The refusal to move his vote was what pushed me because I wanted to pressure him into voting.

Geno said:
I'm sorry but you are still making no sense. You risked a No lynch because you wanted me to change my vote. Plus how sure are you it guarantees my safety? If it wasn't as clear cut as you say then 1 vote still doesn't guarantee it, and you are saying all this despite town reading me. If you think everyone in the lead is town YOU DO NOT VOTE EITHER. Nobody is going to give you shit for voting Kyan or whatever. NOBODY.

I don't care about taking shit. I want vote counts to be as elucidating as possible so that we can get more info throughout each day phase. If I can't change the lynch candidates and have someone I'm scum reading there, then feel obligated to make a stand and vote for either of them, doesn't matter if they are my own personal town reads.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Fandorin said:
I'm guessing by well considered vote you want to hear more about my reasoning for voting Geno instead of Sexy Fish?
Well, once SF started actually posting I felt town vibes from him, his comments on his own inactivity especially. The polemic about the triple vote in quick succession was NAI to me and I liked his response to that as well.

I don't share the suspicions brought up on Geno D1, and his play style seems solid enough. The refusal to move his vote was what pushed me because I wanted to pressure him into voting.

I don't care about taking shit. I want vote counts to be as elucidating as possible so that we can get more info throughout each day phase. If I can't change the lynch candidates and have someone I'm scum reading there, then feel obligated to make a stand and vote for either of them, doesn't matter if they are my own personal town reads.

If you care about the vote count so much then Vote me and directly Unvote me, and say you just don't want to risk a No Lynch.
Plus why how the hell do you get town vibes from a "Sorry I was inactive" post? I've heard some things in my time playing mafia but that's a first.

empressdonna · Apr 5, 2018

nin said:
Oh and since i dont want to let things happen again like last time lets start playing the game.

Vote: empressdonna

Somehow you have given me the feeling of coasting up to this point. Nothing out of thr box has been said or done and the reason for leaving your vote on sexy fish is really weak.

I understand it doesn't look good for me, but it was my honest feelings in regards to why I kept my vote there and how I felt at the time.

Perhaps I could have explained it better than I did.

nin · Apr 5, 2018

empressdonna said:
I understand it doesn't look good for me, but it was my honest feelings in regards to why I kept my vote there and how I felt at the time.

Perhaps I could have explained it better than I did.

Talk about it, thats the thing votes are a tool to pressure people and force them to engage with one another. I just want to know what forced you into just letting the vote stay on sexy fish.

We need to talk sbout it

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

VOTE: Xbro

He was very absent/blending to the background for most of D1, coupled with a post with very weak/lazy reads imo. Then at the end of the day he did some very oppoturnistic voting behaviour. SF did it as well as town, but that doesn't green check Xbro just because he did the same thing.

And again today, he has posted only one post:

Xbro said:
Where does the 5 spaces come from?

And then disappeared again. Are you just watching from the background as town devours itself? I don't like this at all.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

As a note, I've been feeling better about Apollo today. Not enough so that I wouldn't still somewhat scum-read him, but he is not my main target of suspicion now.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

Kalor said:
Okay, comparing the boards from the two days,

Rocking Horse and Train are gone so those are our dead players icons.
Top Hat probably got the community chest that sends them to Old Kent Road.
Duck somehow went backwards. None of the cards really fit with how they went backwards. Maybe the swap or it was some role.
Thimble didn't move at all.

I don't like how visibly Kalor is trying to figure out who got C/CC cards at the start of the day. I still think that information is only going to benefit scum at this stage of the game.

empressdonna · Apr 5, 2018

nin said:
Talk about it, thats the thing votes are a tool to pressure people and force them to engage with one another. I just want to know what forced you into just letting the vote stay on sexy fish.

We need to talk sbout it

Initially, my vote was on Fish to get some more conversation from him. At that time, I couldn't read him either way, it was just a 'where are you? what do you think' vote more than anything else.

However, when I got to the post that I quoted in my previous explanation, things just seemed for me to skew more towards scum. Why did it feel like he was protecting kyan? Why if he issues with the way he typed, did he have that one-liner to Royal? Why didn't he unvote previously when Fandorin said something similar which he pointed out at the time?

Obviously, I admitted that my reading of him protecting kyan was more likely just me reading in between the lines a bit too much but at the time I made my decision to stick with my poke vote and to make it permanent, that is what I believed was going on. To repeat what I said in my previous post, something just felt off to me and I just stuck with that feeling.

In regards to the other train, maybe I should have thought about the fact that Geno ignoring Kyan could have seemed in a similar scummy nature. It did seem like an odd thing for a townie to say but I felt confident that my best bet was with Fish.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

empressdonna what are your current reads? All I've seen you doing this day phase has been reactionary defending of yourself.

Kyanrute · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
I don't like how visibly Kalor is trying to figure out who got C/CC cards at the start of the day. I still think that information is only going to benefit scum at this stage of the game.

Any comrade with little time on their hands can deduce things from the state of the capitalist map. I find it better to ensure that all comrades have at least something little to cross-reference their thoughts with and thus I find the concern of comrade Bear unnecessary at best. I could get it somehow if you were worried about it possibly making it easier for someone to accidentally giving out information that is not deductible from the boardstate alone, but I am unsure if the subtext contains that or not.

Kyanrute · Apr 5, 2018

It is bit concerning that comrades other than me are echoing the "look at me and how bad a communist I am!" -defense. What works for one works for others and a mixer is created in which it is easy to blend in.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Any comrade with little time on their hands can deduce things from the state of the capitalist map. I find it better to ensure that all comrades have at least something little to cross-reference their thoughts with and thus I find the concern of comrade Bear unnecessary at best. I could get it somehow if you were worried about it possibly making it easier for someone to accidentally giving out information that is not deductible from the boardstate alone, but I am unsure if the subtext contains that or not.

I just don't understand how that discussion is going to benefit town during early game. I already said this on D1.

Kyanrute · Apr 5, 2018

Comrade Geno, how much was of the "comrade Kyan is garbage and I will kill him if it is the last thing I do" just for show? Did you think that it would be unwise for you to back down from your strong stance after it had been publicly stated?

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Comrade Geno, how much was of the "comrade Kyan is garbage and I will kill him if it is the last thing I do" just for show? Did you think that it would be unwise for you to back down from your strong stance after it had been publicly stated?

70%.

Kalor · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
I don't like how visibly Kalor is trying to figure out who got C/CC cards at the start of the day. I still think that information is only going to benefit scum at this stage of the game.

I didn't make that post with the intention of figuring out the cards. That just happened as an extension of trying to figure out any weird occurrences on the board last night. Besides, if I could spend 5 minutes and figure out potential cards then I'm sure scum could do the same.

empressdonna · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
empressdonna what are your current reads? All I've seen you doing this day phase has been reactionary defending of yourself.

Currently, my reads look like this:

Town

Brazil
Fandorin
SweetNicole

Lean Town

Grizzly
Sophia
KetKat

Neutral

Kyanrute
Geno
Xbro
Nin
Stuart444

Need to re-read

Apollo
DCPat
Kalor
Zippedpinhead

Once I'm done with my re-reads, I'll update this.

Kyanrute · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
I just don't understand how that discussion is going to benefit town during early game. I already said this on D1.

Well, comrade, a discussion can happen even if there is only a single speaker. Like this comrade mentioned, posting minor thoughts that can be gathered from the board at least allows for some minor cross-referencing in silence. The information is visible to all. Can the proletariat count on all the workers to grasp in private in a correct manner or should we at least offer the slightest straw for one another? Where you do not see the boon, I do not see the harm - as long as further steps are taken with utmost caution.

Kyanrute · Apr 5, 2018

Geno said:
70%.

If you would be so kind to give me a piece of your mind comrade: explain to the commune your thought process behind your actions when you got called out on your tunneling and responded with continued tunneling.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

At this point I'm willing to say that not both Kyan and Geno could be scum together this game. That's some good acting if they are.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Any comrade with little time on their hands can deduce things from the state of the capitalist map. I find it better to ensure that all comrades have at least something little to cross-reference their thoughts with and thus I find the concern of comrade Bear unnecessary at best. I could get it somehow if you were worried about it possibly making it easier for someone to accidentally giving out information that is not deductible from the boardstate alone, but I am unsure if the subtext contains that or not.

I agree with Kyan on this and want to point out that it almost looks like Grizzly is actively framing Kalor into scum fishing for info. Kalor just stated some obvious things. Scum can read the map aswell.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Well, comrade, a discussion can happen even if there is only a single speaker. Like this comrade mentioned, posting minor thoughts that can be gathered from the board at least allows for some minor cross-referencing in silence. The information is visible to all. Can the proletariat count on all the workers to grasp in private in a correct manner or should we at least offer the slightest straw for one another? Where you do not see the boon, I do not see the harm - as long as further steps are taken with utmost caution.

I see your pov, I just hope that discussing these things doesn't accidentally help scum, you know?

DCPat said:
At this point I'm willing to say that not both Kyan and Geno could be scum together this game. That's some good acting if they are.

It's not exactly uncommon for scum to set up visible fights in the thread to distance themselves from each other in case one of them flips.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

I know, but this doesn't feel close to fabricated to me.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

Kyan has lot of experience of being scum, I would assume he would be able to make it seem like not-fabricated.

Not saying that Kyan and Geno are both scum, but that thinking they can't be based on this fight is dangerous.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Kyanrute said:
If you would be so kind to give me a piece of your mind comrade: explain to the commune your thought process behind your actions when you got called out on your tunneling and responded with continued tunneling.

There isn't much to explain, I wanted to see how people would react to a situation like this, Ketkat, xbro and Fandorin's votes on me were interesting, so the experiment was worth it.
However don't get me wrong, your posting style still annoys me, just not enough to lynch you over it.

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

I see Geno has found something better than "I don't like Kyan's posting style" to latch on to.

Fandorin said:
Royal being the NK target is really weird and obviously proves scum can't target players directly. This is the pure unfiltered truth without an ounce of confirmation bias.

Ehhh. That's quite the reach. I still have to go back and look at Royal's D1, but choosing a low-info NK target is a great way to avoid protections on N1.

DCPat said:
At this point I'm willing to say that not both Kyan and Geno could be scum together this game. That's some good acting if they are.

I strongly disagree. Geno keeping his vote against Kyan when standing that close to being lynched is that perfect "Oops, I'm scum being lynched on D1, let me give a scummate some townie points" move. Especially when the argument for his vote was basically "I'm annoyed by him" in the first place. Geno x Fandorin is a lot more guttural than Geno x Kyanrute.

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

nin said:
Okay i am back.
First of all sorry for not being here on day end. I know its bad since every vote counts. Its even worse since i did not even put a vote down before i went afk. There is no excuse for it ans i will stand for the damage i caused due to my absence. It looks of course bad since i was a very vocal player at the beginning of the game. That however wont happen again.

With that out of the way i just wanted to put a short summary down of things that happened and caused some discussion.
Feel free to add and edit things on that list

Day1

Kyans accent
Geno role fishing/or not
Bear calling him out on it
Nin kinda defending geno
Kalor/dcpat/brazil saying kyan being kyan
Nin arguing about kyan being kyan
Vote shifting at the same time from xbro and sexy fish

Thats it for the moment, please give me some time (wont be that long) to re-read the thread but i will be around :)

I'm not going to base any judgment on activity, but I don't agree with you classifying yourself as "a very vocal player" during D1. You had two bursts of posting, one in each RL day of that phase. In the first one you defended Geno, and in the second one you had that conversation with DCPat over Kyan. That's basically it. You had a high post count, but you weren't vocal in a helpful way. This feels like an attempt at reframing reality.

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

Stuart444 said:
I think I'm going to do a Poke vote

Vote: Sophia

What are your thoughts on all this?

Stuart444 said:
Nin has been very quiet as well, both at the end of the last day with no Vote and at the start of today.

Vote: Nin

Why didn't you vote? What are your thoughts so far?

Adapting to your environment. That's a fun change from your D1. If you're town, welcome. If you're scum, well done.

DCPat · Apr 5, 2018

Brazil said:
I see Geno has found something better than "I don't like Kyan's posting style" to latch on to.

Ehhh. That's quite the reach. I still have to go back and look at Royal's D1, but choosing a low-info NK target is a great way to avoid protections on N1.

I strongly disagree. Geno keeping his vote against Kyan when standing that close to being lynched is that perfect "Oops, I'm scum being lynched on D1, let me give a scummate some townie points" move. Especially when the argument for his vote was basically "I'm annoyed by him" in the first place. Geno x Fandorin is a lot more guttural than Geno x Kyanrute.

You really think a scum x scum vote will be based on an argument based on being annoyed? Don't agree with you there.

But at the moment we don't have to worry to much about it, since we have no flip. But I will certainly come back to it if one of the 2 is flipped.

Ketkat · Apr 5, 2018

Geno said:
There isn't much to explain, I wanted to see how people would react to a situation like this, Ketkat, xbro and Fandorin's votes on me were interesting, so the experiment was worth it.
However don't get me wrong, your posting style still annoys me, just not enough to lynch you over it.

So, it was all bait? I'm not sure I fully buy that yet, but we'll see. I have a pretty good idea of how you feel about Fandorin already, but how do you feel about the way me and xbro reacted?

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

HvV made me miss being able to reread players.

Royal complained about Faddy, talked about Sexy Fish's OMGUS vote, had a minor spat with Sexy Fish, and ended up voting Geno at the end.

These are the posts I found worthy quoting and putting back on the table:

His observations about people not jumping against Sexy Fish:

Royal_Flush said:
Nobody made the overly easy Fish vote based on his omgus-vote and questionable statement about mechanics discussion yet? Interesting. I expected half the game to jump onto that. Fwiw, I think it doesn't sound like nervous Scum. Pretty NAI.

I feel good about Zipped so far. No strong Scum reads yet.

Royal_Flush said:
Well, a mixture of several things. First, we, as a community, finally seem to be on a way to leave the "ha, he/she made a bad play, they must be Scum" meta behind. Second, Scum are aware enough of that that they are not jumping onto SexyFish. Alternatively SexyFish is Scum and that's why Scum didn't jump on him. But as I said, I'm pretty null on him. I mainly wanted to note the observation that the post got ignored, while I expected at least two people (not two specific people just statistically two players) to make the easy vote. Either Scum or lazy Town. Didn't happen unfortunately. Maybe it would have helped to say nothing and keep the post open as bait, but meh...

His reads:

Royal_Flush said:
My opinion is that D1 in general is the worst and it's compeltely beyond me how anybody can have a solid Scumread at this point in time. As usual, I have a couple of "Lean Town" reads, most notably
- Zipped (although I disagree with many of his opinions, I can follow the reasoning and he seems to care)
- Brazil (very inquisitive)

I'm always wary of people who didn't leave any impression on me. The ones I don't recall a single post by. Going through the player list, those individuals are:
- Fandorin
- DCPat
- Geno
- Sophia
- empressdonna
- xbro
- Apollo

That's almost half the roster, so I probably should read the thread once more while paying closer attention to the names...

And his final vote:

Royal_Flush said:
No, that's too interesting rn. Come on people, I want more reactions.

Vote: Geno

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

DCPat said:
You really think a scum x scum vote will be based on an argument based on being annoyed? Don't agree with you there.

But at the moment we don't have to worry to much about it, since we have no flip. But I will certainly come back to it if one of the 2 is flipped.

Sure. It was an early vote - one of those you make nonchalantly as scum so that later in the game, when people look back at the vote totals, they find some distance between you and your scummate.

Geno · Apr 5, 2018

Ketkat said:
So, it was all bait? I'm not sure I fully buy that yet, but we'll see. I have a pretty good idea of how you feel about Fandorin already, but how do you feel about the way me and xbro reacted?

Not all, 70%.
I'm leaning town on you, you were one of the first people to vote me and one of the first to back away once you saw I was suspiciously gaining a lot of votes. Pretty sure Xbro is scum, he was jumping on every lynch possible without good reasonings, his vote on me was basically "not caught up but agree on Geno lololo". He had nothing new to say.

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

Xbro , you said on D1 that you'd be keeping your eyes on Stuart444, and I actually agreed with your read of him back then. How are you feeling about him right now?

Brazil · Apr 5, 2018

Grizzly said:
As a note, I've been feeling better about Apollo today. Not enough so that I wouldn't still somewhat scum-read him, but he is not my main target of suspicion now.

Do you mind expanding on that? I'm trying to figure out how I feel about Apollo.

The Bear · Apr 5, 2018

Brazil said:
Do you mind expanding on that? I'm trying to figure out how I feel about Apollo.

He has felt more involved and contributive today compared to yesterday. Especially in a quiet game like this, scum can easily blend in with other silent players. So Apollo actually stepping up his game a little bit makes me feel better. Like I said though - I still scum read him, just not as much as I did on D1.

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