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The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
Brazil how do you feel about Sophia? I've been thinking on her this past hour, and something doesn't feel right. But I can't pin-point what that is.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
Not all, 70%. Pretty sure Xbro is scum, he was jumping on every lynch possible without good reasonings, his vote on me was basically "not caught up but agree on Geno lololo". He had nothing new to say.

Who do you think is more likely to be scum, Fandorin or Xbro? And do you think they could be both scum, or just one of them?
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
This feels like an attempt at reframing reality.

thats how i feel it, i mean in my reality i was very vocal. Feel free to disagree ( like you did ). i consider high post count = vocal player.

We can of course talk about being vocal and being helpful which are two different things. There i can somewhat agree that i was vocal but not very helpful in the general sense but then we can argue about a lot of players not being "helpful".

All in All i feel good about myself
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Brazil how do you feel about Sophia? I've been thinking on her this past hour, and something doesn't feel right. But I can't pin-point what that is.
Ok. She's actually been in my mind since D1 end, so this is convenient.

I made note of liking one particular point of her D1 activity. When I pointed something out about Kalor, she actually did go back and reread him. It's not a big thing, but it felt genuine to me - particularly in a D1 like that, during which half the roster was hiding and not putting any work into scumhunting.

When reading back the final D1 moments, her vote gave me some pause because it was a late one outside of the two main trains. But her vote against Kyan made the total score Geno 4, Sexy Fish 3, Kyan 3 - so it's not like she was dodging the lynch.

And this is the thing that's on the back of my mind:

I am a shameful robot, and I don't deny it. :p
I was bothered by this apologetic tone because I originally didn't feel like she did anything wrong. But this post actually makes me think she did try to hide from the lynch by not switching her vote to one of the two main trains right at the end. She was following the thread when Kyan stopped being a real possibility.
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
He has felt more involved and contributive today compared to yesterday. Especially in a quiet game like this, scum can easily blend in with other silent players. So Apollo actually stepping up his game a little bit makes me feel better. Like I said though - I still scum read him, just not as much as I did on D1.
Thanks. I feel a bit better about him than you do, but not enough to call it a town-read yet. Sitting on top of the fence right now. I actually felt like it was still the last phase when he started participating more - but only after being called out, which makes it one of those things.

thats how i feel it, i mean in my reality i was very vocal. Feel free to disagree ( like you did ). i consider high post count = vocal player.

We can of course talk about being vocal and being helpful which are two different things. There i can somewhat agree that i was vocal but not very helpful in the general sense but then we can argue about a lot of players not being "helpful".

All in All i feel good about myself
Fair enough.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

nin (2 votes)
stuart444 - #542
sweetnicole - #544

xbro (1 votes)
grizzly - #566

fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501

empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554

geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551

sophia (0 votes)
stuart444 - #487 #505

Post Counts:
grizzly: 20 geno: 19 brazil: 14 kyanrute: 10 stuart444: 10 dcpat: 9 empressdonna: 7 kalor: 7 ketkat: 6 nin: 6 sophia: 6 zippedpinhead: 6 apollo: 5 fandorin: 5 sweetnicole: 4 xbro: 1 faddy: 1

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
 

empressdonna

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,096
Scotland, United Kingdom
As of my re-reads right now, I'm struggling to get a real read on Zippedpinhead since a lot of it is coming off as neutral in my eyes at the moment. Nothing is jumping out at me as 'hey! I'm scum!' but honestly, I feel like nothing is shouting that he is town either.

I'm going to be paying attention to his future posts to see if I can get a clearer idea in my mind.
 

Geno

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
Who do you think is more likely to be scum, Fandorin or Xbro? And do you think they could be both scum, or just one of them?
Atm definitely Fandorin, not that sure on xbro yet, but if he coasts today too then I might change my mind. I'm leaning on one being scum rather than both, but too early to tellm
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
Am currently in class. Don't have much room to read, but I agree with some of what has been said about Geno. Also think Apollo just found one post from Geno and built all of his posts thereafter to be based on that.

For now, the last thing Geno said toward Kyan was interesting to say the least. I'll pay my vote there.

vote: Geno

Xbro, I'm going to need you to go a little more in-depth on all of this. The fact that you weren't caught up really makes me wonder why you went for Geno specifically over anyone else. Was there anyone else that you were leaning towards?
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
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Come on, guys.

I just saw this and bursted out laughing.
That is accurate
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
Unvote

You didn't really explain why you weren't around, just that you weren't but since you've returned, I'll take my vote off you for now. It might return later on though.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
Xbro

You haven't said much at all today. What are your reads today? Come out of hiding and tell us :)
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
Unvote

You didn't really explain why you weren't around, just that you weren't but since you've returned, I'll take my vote off you for now. It might return later on though.

there is no need to explain why i was not around since it does not matter, what does however is that i was NOT around.

Feel free to leave that vote on me since its a lazy vote that can be called out by other members aswell as myself.

I mean i you really wanted to put pressure on me and hear me out you would not have unvoted. But since you did it just puts you into a bad light in my honest opinion.

Bad play all in all

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Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Xbro , you said on D1 that you'd be keeping your eyes on Stuart444, and I actually agreed with your read of him back then. How are you feeling about him right now?
Feeling slightly better. He's definitely been making an effort for a hunt today. Whether that's from coaching, or from his interaction with nicole earlier, I can't say. It's important to note on that though, that he's being mentored by Ty for his first game, stop even if it's coaching, it could be NAI.
Xbro, I'm going to need you to go a little more in-depth on all of this. The fact that you weren't caught up really makes me wonder why you went for Geno specifically over anyone else. Was there anyone else that you were leaning towards?

At the time, no. I didn't have many strong reads beyond that. My post was aimed to be posted shortly after your post, because you were the one I was agreeing with. The only posts I had not caught up with were the posts that popped up between the time I started the post and the time I finished the post. Between me being in class and on mobile, it took me 10 minutes to write that post. In that time, a couple more votes came into play.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
I just wasnt around, or near my cell phone.
Again thats no excuse since i signed up for this game to be around but i hope you believe me in this case.

I am not afraid to talk me into my own grave :3
While i certanly can understand the anger that brought my absence ( i am far too much fun to play with ) saying that being absent is downright scummy is a bit hyperbole. I dont want you to unvote me nicole, i play better while having votes on me, i just want you to rethink some things regarding my absence. I dont want to sound like a broken record since i already stated that i will get the heat i deserve for being absent ( a vote or some votes ).

It is a little hyperbole, yes. However, like you said, you deserve some heat for your absence, and I'm wanting to see some strong contributions out of you today. Don't just explain to me why you were absent, but give me some solid town posts.
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
Sophia you mentioned others votes, but would you mind explaining this vote a little better?

At the end of the day, you threw a throwaway vote at Kyanrute at the last minute after he had stopped being one of the leading trains based on the reasoning that he threw shade at Brazil, but wouldn't vote for him. While I wouldn't have a problem with if Kyan was one of the leading trains, it was fairly clear at that point that Kyan wasn't going to be lynched yesterday. He had zero votes on him when you voted for him. You seemed to at least somewhat accept his reasoning for his comment, but you left your vote on him all the same through the end of the day.

Was there some greater reasoning beyond these two posts and the others above that you voted for Kyan?

Sophia I wanted to clarify that I was wrong with the zero votes. I was re-reading Brazil's post and about to point out why it was Geno 4, SF 3, Kyan 0 and then I realized I had fucked up looking over the votes from D1. There was two votes at the time you voted for Kyan and your third vote tied him with Sexy Fish. While like you said, I would have liked to see your vote shift to another train such as Geno who were slightly scum-reading once SF started wracking up the votes, I did want to clear up this inaccuracy in my post.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
Ok. She's actually been in my mind since D1 end, so this is convenient.

Good notes about her being apologetic today, and the fact that she was reading the thread when Kyan stopped being a potential lynch candidate. Something about her posts in general bother me - it feels like she isn't committed to scumhunting completely, and is more about doing weak contributions while trying to seem towny. And definitely that vote at the end of D1 felt weak.
 
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Faddy

Faddy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,156
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

xbro (2 votes)
grizzly - #566
stuart444 - #610

fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501

empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554

geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551

nin (1 votes)
stuart444 - #542 #608
sweetnicole - #544

sophia (0 votes)
stuart444 - #487 #505

Post Counts:
grizzly: 22 geno: 21 brazil: 14 stuart444: 14 kyanrute: 10 dcpat: 9 nin: 8 empressdonna: 8 ketkat: 7 kalor: 7 sweetnicole: 6 sophia: 6 zippedpinhead: 6 apollo: 5 fandorin: 5 xbro: 2 faddy: 2

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With 16 players alive the majority is 9
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,123
Sophia I wanted to clarify that I was wrong with the zero votes. I was re-reading Brazil's post and about to point out why it was Geno 4, SF 3, Kyan 0 and then I realized I had fucked up looking over the votes from D1. There was two votes at the time you voted for Kyan and your third vote tied him with Sexy Fish. While like you said, I would have liked to see your vote shift to another train such as Geno who were slightly scum-reading once SF started wracking up the votes, I did want to clear up this inaccuracy in my post.

*nods*

Just woke up, reading stuff. Why does this game always seem to move only when I'm sleeping?
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,123
Good notes about her being apologetic today, and the fact that she was reading the thread when Kyan stopped being a potential lynch candidate. Something about her posts in general bother me - it feels like she isn't committed to scumhunting completely, and is more about doing weak contributions while trying to seem towny. And definitely that vote at the end of D1 felt weak.

*re-reads thread*

Er... says the bear who spend most of his day sitting on Apollo and jumped onto the Sexy Fish lynch at the end? :P

Actually, what specifically made you feel better about Apollo today, Grizzly? You have your vote on Xbro now, who admittedly you were scum reading back in your reads post when you voted for Apollo, but it didn't seem like you really tried to engage with him that much in Day 1? This post felt like a weird attempt to justify why you still had your vote there.
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
Feeling slightly better. He's definitely been making an effort for a hunt today. Whether that's from coaching, or from his interaction with nicole earlier, I can't say. It's important to note on that though, that he's being mentored by Ty for his first game, stop even if it's coaching, it could be NAI.

At the time, no. I didn't have many strong reads beyond that. My post was aimed to be posted shortly after your post, because you were the one I was agreeing with. The only posts I had not caught up with were the posts that popped up between the time I started the post and the time I finished the post. Between me being in class and on mobile, it took me 10 minutes to write that post. In that time, a couple more votes came into play.

How do you feel about Geno now? Do you still think that he's scum? Any opinions on these?

VOTE: Xbro

He was very absent/blending to the background for most of D1, coupled with a post with very weak/lazy reads imo. Then at the end of the day he did some very oppoturnistic voting behaviour. SF did it as well as town, but that doesn't green check Xbro just because he did the same thing.

And again today, he has posted only one post:



And then disappeared again. Are you just watching from the background as town devours itself? I don't like this at all.

Not all, 70%.
I'm leaning town on you, you were one of the first people to vote me and one of the first to back away once you saw I was suspiciously gaining a lot of votes. Pretty sure Xbro is scum, he was jumping on every lynch possible without good reasonings, his vote on me was basically "not caught up but agree on Geno lololo". He had nothing new to say.

There's a few people leaning towards you right now, and I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.
 

Fandorin

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,356
Now that we know Sexy was town, I think there might be scum between Kalor and Xbro. Those three votes in succession came about 10 minutes after Grizzly said he felt good about kyan. In that post he basically repeated his argument, that I shared earlier, that kyan doubling down on his "accent" was probably a town move. Kalor votes Sexy, but throws shade into the kyan pile first.

Sexy explained his reasoning at the time after I called him out. I feel like the rest tried to play it off and town conceded that it was probably NAI.


I think scum is on the Kyan vote so I'm going to pick someone from there. Kyan is an easy vote right now that doesn't require an actual reason to vote so I expect scum will try to push it.

Vote: Sexy Fish

They had the worse "I don't like the way they talk" vote explanation by saying that they'll go with their gut. Genos isn't much better but he at least seems genuine.

I think you're right, his commitment to the act makes me think town. Scum would have pivoted in his shoes I think.

UNVOTE

I'm feeling much better about Kyan now.

Unvote

Between both votes, I think Xbro is the scummiest. Kalor had previously commented on kyan and town reads, saying it's fun when someone gets on "the theme", while I don't actually remember much interaction between Xbro and kyan.
 

Fandorin

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,356
I can't really elaborate right now, but I'm looking for Stuart, Xbro and Sophia. They are my scum reads right now.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
How do you feel about Geno now? Do you still think that he's scum? Any opinions on these?

There's a few people leaning towards you right now, and I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this.
Nothing has really changed about Geno for me. According to what he said today, his plan was basically to see how people would react to his claims against Kyan.
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
Nothing has really changed about Geno for me. According to what he said today, his plan was basically to see how people would react to his claims against Kyan.

Okay. Do you have any thoughts on the people voting/suspecting you right now? Do you have any reads you want to share?
 

Fandorin

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,356
What do you think about Stuart voting for Xbro then if you leaning towards both of them being scum right now?
Like Xbro said, it looks like a prod vote, which can go either way.
Stuart has already voted for 3 players this phase, all without much substance and admittedly prod votes. I don't remember him doing this last day, so maybe his mentor gave him an idea that lead to it? When I get the chance I'll reread Stuart D1 to try and confirm this.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Okay. Do you have any thoughts on the people voting/suspecting you right now? Do you have any reads you want to share?
Not really for the first one. They have reason to suspect me that are very much legitimate reasons to do so. I can't really take back the things I've said, though I can give assurance that I wasn't doing so with nefarious intent. The most I can give is my thought process while posting.

As far as reads, there are a couple I'm trying to get my thoughts around, I want to go through the game again when I get the chance with them in mind. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into posts.

Zipped gave me some bad vibes earlier on. Though, chalk that one up to a gut feeling more than anything. #494 triggered some alarm bells with the way he worded the space kill, but it's worth noting that he immediately rectified his mistakes.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Like Xbro said, it looks like a prod vote, which can go either way.
Stuart has already voted for 3 players this phase, all without much substance and admittedly prod votes. I don't remember him doing this last day, so maybe his mentor gave him an idea that lead to it? When I get the chance I'll reread Stuart D1 to try and confirm this.
It was either a mentor, or the interactions with Nicole from the first day. He was subjected to a prod vote that he reacted very poorly to.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
*re-reads thread*

Er... says the bear who spend most of his day sitting on Apollo and jumped onto the Sexy Fish lynch at the end? :P

Actually, what specifically made you feel better about Apollo today, Grizzly? You have your vote on Xbro now, who admittedly you were scum reading back in your reads post when you voted for Apollo, but it didn't seem like you really tried to engage with him that much in Day 1? This post felt like a weird attempt to justify why you still had your vote there.

I was at Apollo, but once it became obvious he wouldn't be a lynch candidate on D1, I moved my vote towards the people who were viable - something you didn't do even though you were participating in the thread at the end of the day.

As for why I feel better on Apollo:

He has felt more involved and contributive today compared to yesterday. Especially in a quiet game like this, scum can easily blend in with other silent players. So Apollo actually stepping up his game a little bit makes me feel better. Like I said though - I still scum read him, just not as much as I did on D1.

Although granted, this post has aged by now, because Apollo hasn't been on the thread since his vote on Geno almost 12 hours ago.
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,123
I was at Apollo, but once it became obvious he wouldn't be a lynch candidate on D1, I moved my vote towards the people who were viable - something you didn't do even though you were participating in the thread at the end of the day.

Aye, I was reading the sexy fish votes, as I noted near day end.



Like Xbro said, it looks like a prod vote, which can go either way.
Stuart has already voted for 3 players this phase, all without much substance and admittedly prod votes. I don't remember him doing this last day, so maybe his mentor gave him an idea that lead to it? When I get the chance I'll reread Stuart D1 to try and confirm this.

Stuart's votes on Day 1:

The only people I'm pretty certain are town at the moment is Fandorin and Grizzly as they have been making a lot of good posts recently trying to scum hunt.

Besides that, I don't have any strong reads atm. I do think we need to hear more from the posters with the fewest posts in the thread.

So what about you Royal_Flush, let's hear more from you.

Prod vote on Royal.

Well now that Royal has posted and given us his thoughts

Vote: Sexy Fish

What do you think so far? Need to hear more from you before the day ends.

Prod vote on Sexy Fish, which is where he left it at day's end. I poked him about why he left it earlier, and this was his reply

Mostly because I wasn't sure on anyone else. Fish's subsequent replies made me read him as Scum so I felt instead of changing my vote before the days end, I'd leave it as he was the only person I was really leaning heavily as scum.
Pretty much due to the way he Unvoted Kyan which was at the same time as Xbros but they reacted differently. Fish reacted more nervously, like he was caught out based on his post afterwards to the suspicion surrounding it. It was NAI was Xbros but Fish's reaction made me lean towards Scum.

Not sure how I feel about it as far as a scum read goes, but it didn't come off as positive to me.
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Between both votes, I think Xbro is the scummiest. Kalor had previously commented on kyan and town reads, saying it's fun when someone gets on "the theme", while I don't actually remember much interaction between Xbro and kyan.
I've forgotten to point out exactly this while typing posts on other stuff twice before, but I completely agree. Xbro's unvote was the one that made me raise an eyebrow at the time, and he immediately reacted in apparent outrage at what had happened.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,071
Unvote

I'm leaning town now with Xbros recent posts. Will probably give a full list tomorrow but right now, town wise

Town:

Brazil
Grizzly
Sweetnicole

Leaning Town:

Xbros
Ketkat
Fandorin

Everyone else, I'm unsure on. Will wait and see how things progress and maybe do a reread later or tomorrow.
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Right now I'm curious about

Xbro
Sophia
nin

I want to hear more from zipped and Apollo as well.
 

nin

Asked Politely
Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,159
okay i am going to put down my town list.

Town
14. [m] Nin UTC+2

Potential Scum

01. [m] Stuart444 - NEW UTC+1 - Mentored by [m] Ty4on
02. [f] KetKat - NEW UTC-4 - Mentored by [m] Hecht
04. [f] Sophia
05. [m] Grizzly UTC+2
06. [m] Fandorin UTC-3
07. [m] Xbro UTC-6
08. [m] Apollo
09. [f] SweetNicole UTC-5
10. [f] empressdonna UTC+1
12. [m] Brazil UTC-3
13. [m] DCPat
15. [m] Kyanrute UTC+2
16. [m] Zippedpinhead UTC-6
17. [m] Kalor UTC+1
18. [m] Geno UTC+3
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
I hate it so much that Zippedpinhead is there on the sidelines once again. I've seen this film way too many times.
This is the list of people I'm currently leaning scum on:

Stuart444
Geno
nin
Sophia
Xbro

Hopefully I'm right about at least one :P

Could you explain where you're feeling about zippedinhead right now? Reading your first post by itself, I assume that post would be a strong indication that you're leaning scum on him, yet he isn't in your list of leaning scum. Does this mean you're reading him as town or null?
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Unvote

I'm leaning town now with Xbros recent posts. Will probably give a full list tomorrow but right now, town wise

Town:

Brazil
Grizzly
Sweetnicole

Leaning Town:

Xbros
Ketkat
Fandorin

Everyone else, I'm unsure on. Will wait and see how things progress and maybe do a reread later or tomorrow.
I'm going to make a very narcissistic observation right now.

This is the first time you've mentioned my name or acknowledged me in any way throughout this entire game. You haven't quoted me or talked about me to other players.
This is actually something I've been paying attention to since halfway through D1.

Now that I've voted against you without giving out any real reasoning for it, you mention my name for the first time by putting me in your town-read list.

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Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Could you explain where you're feeling about zippedinhead right now? Reading your first post by itself, I assume that post would be a strong indication that you're leaning scum on him, yet he isn't in your list of leaning scum. Does this mean you're reading him as town or null?
I don't have a read on him yet, which is what scares me. Scum!Zipped blends into the room like a well-placed piece of furniture.
 
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