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Protome

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Oh, yes. I see it now. The box isn't always there, only when you're actually changing that value. When you stop adjusting it the yellow box fades, that's why I didn't notice it and why it doesn't bother me
Ah, that's not too bad then!
My phone hasn't even shipped yet, I was judging this solely based on screenshots.
 

Ryu_Ken

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Hi Guys, Has anybody got the Spigen Tough Armor or Slim Armor on their X? Can't decide between the two.
 

degauss

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First person I actually see being disappointed with the SG after using it :(

Time to second guess my SG preorder again.

Space grey iPhone 6 owner here, for reference, I've always liked white iPhones. more modern looking, but clashes with most case colours. Space grey looks better with a case. I think the darker space grey used on the new Macbooks is maybe my favourite so far. Jet Black 7's always looked a bit like cheap shiny black plastic to me. Matt black 7's were just....dull.

That said, after seeing both X's in person, space grey is the way to go in my opinion, and I'm glad I went for it.

The white doesn't look bad, but for me it just looks a little chintzy in comparison to previous white/gold models. Maybe it'll grow on me, but it's very shiny and reflective.

The space grey on the other hand, closest I can get to describing it would be like polished obsidian. It looks like unfamiliar and exotic material. Almost has purple/blue hues to it from certain angles.

Who cares though really, not going to see either under a case :)
 

degauss

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While I'm here, I got to play with the X in store. I found it really hard to hold the phone and swipe up from the bottom with one hand compared to my 6. It was a delicate balancing act.

Maybe because my hand naturally landed behind that bit higher on the phone to balance it's tallness/weight, so then reaching down with the thumb to swipe was a stretch and resulted in a see-sawing / tipping motion.

It wasn't that bad, but my brain was screaming at me to use both hands instead of 1. It's possible I'll get used to it like I got used to my 6 after much smaller phones.
 

Ryu_Ken

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That Samsung ad.... It's too conscious of the competition. If your marketing message is based on the competitions product you've already lost.
 

Camp1nCarl

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Oct 25, 2017
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So far I'm quite impressed with the X. It's weird going back to a smaller phone after having a 6S Plus, but it's not a huge deal for me so far. Not to mention the screen is amazing.

But what's up with Face ID? Is it just me or does it just not work very well at all. Works maybe like 60% of the time. I have reset it as well and that hasn't helped...
 

Anson225

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Oct 26, 2017
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So far I'm quite impressed with the X. It's weird going back to a smaller phone after having a 6S Plus, but it's not a huge deal for me so far. Not to mention the screen is amazing.

But what's up with Face ID? Is it just me or does it just not work very well at all. Works maybe like 60% of the time. I have reset it as well and that hasn't helped...
Try to retrain it with your second attempt posing at a lower angle
 

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While I'm here, I got to play with the X in store. I found it really hard to hold the phone and swipe up from the bottom with one hand compared to my 6. It was a delicate balancing act.

Maybe because my hand naturally landed behind that bit higher on the phone to balance it's tallness/weight, so then reaching down with the thumb to swipe was a stretch and resulted in a see-sawing / tipping motion.

It wasn't that bad, but my brain was screaming at me to use both hands instead of 1. It's possible I'll get used to it like I got used to my 6 after much smaller phones.
The 6 is the worst iPhone of all time. Ugliest, outdated on launch with its tiny RAM amount, weak materials.

You'll far prefer the X if you actually own one. My main concern, though, is that iPhone X makes top bars unreachable and bottom bars inconvenient. Many fundamental iOS UI paradigms need to be rethought.
 

MrKlaw

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Try to retrain it with your second attempt posing at a lower angle

I might have to try this. I've put it on my desk next to my laptop and I'm probably at a 45 degree angle to it, and its not recognising me until I get much more 'over' it, looking down on it.

so should I do one face-on, and then one with the phone roughly at the angle it'd be on my desk? So its looking 'down' on me
 

Camp1nCarl

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Try to retrain it with your second attempt posing at a lower angle

I might have to try this. I've put it on my desk next to my laptop and I'm probably at a 45 degree angle to it, and its not recognising me until I get much more 'over' it, looking down on it.

so should I do one face-on, and then one with the phone roughly at the angle it'd be on my desk? So its looking 'down' on me

Yeah, I actually did the lower angle reset yesterday because I noticed I tend to normally unlock my phone at the angle and my original Face ID scan was perpendicular to my face at a normal level. Still hasn't helped much. Is there a certain light level we should be doing it at? Both times has been not too much lighting for me, so I'm wondering if I should reset it in a much brighter condition?
 

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Yeah, I actually did the lower angle reset yesterday because I noticed I tend to normally unlock my phone at the angle and my original Face ID scan was perpendicular to my face at a normal level. Still hasn't helped much. Is there a certain light level we should be doing it at? Both times has been not too much lighting for me, so I'm wondering if I should reset it in a much brighter condition?

Light doesn't matter, it doesn't use the normal camera at all, just the IR camera.

FaceID will keep training itself whenever it fails and you enter in your passcode, so what I've been doing (since I was having trouble at first as well) is deliberately putting it in positions where I know it will get close but fail, so it learns more and more my face from various angles and distances. I went from about a 60% success rate at first to 99% now. Takes time, but it definitely works.

Also try maybe turning off Attention Detection in the FaceID settings and seeing if that makes a difference? It didn't for me but some people have reported success
 

ZeroX

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Face ID works great for me. I did the lower angle thing too.

So far ditching the home button and Touch ID has been a smashing success. Feels like Apple chose well.
 

Ninjadom

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Oct 25, 2017
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First time using an Apple leather case. Definitely worth the price tag. This is one of the few cases I've used that doesn't cheapen the overall design of the phone. I'm not sure how safe it would be from a drop, but I kinda want a leather bumper.

I also ordered the Apple Leather case. My X delivers in just over 2 weeks. I last used the Apple Leather case when I was on the 5S and it was a lovely case. But it wouldn't protect it at all from a serious fall.
 

Anchorman

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Expecting a Silver 256GB X from EE (UK) on the 17th! can't wait.. (hoping it arrives early) my Iphone 6 is on its last legs, putting IOS 11 on it was a bad choice, super clunky now!

Does anyone have any recommendations for a good clear case that can protect yet still show off the design of the X?
 

deoee

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Were there any cases of earlier delivery than stated?
 

NIcktendo86

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The 6 is the worst iPhone of all time. Ugliest, outdated on launch with its tiny RAM amount, weak materials.

You'll far prefer the X if you actually own one. My main concern, though, is that iPhone X makes top bars unreachable and bottom bars inconvenient. Many fundamental iOS UI paradigms need to be rethought.
Yeah the who OS navigation looks a bit messy.
 

theDream

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Oct 27, 2017
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Anybody concerned about burn in, especially with Apple saying it will happen?

I normally watch tv shows on my phone at full brightness, but I'm nervous to on the X over fear of burn in, especially since so many shows have the networks logo sitting in the same spot on the screen throughout the episode.

All OLED screens will get screen burn if you use it long enough. Its impossible to know when it will happen, but yeah theres a big risk. Its generally not such a big deal since lots of people are upgrading their phone quite frequently. Not as big a deal as say a giant TV that you might not want to replace every 2 years.

That's just the price one has to pay for having an OLED screen. My main issue with the X is how fragile it apparently is. I hate phone covers personally, and never use them. Whats the point of a beautiful design you're paying so much for, if its housed in an ugly thick coating of rubber and plastic? Is my attitude.

Its meant to be really really fragile. If you drop it without a case, it breaks. And the Pixel 2 XL has severe screen burn issues out of the gate. And these are the only two phones I want. Rounded corners and an OLED is almost a must.
 

tx2005

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All OLED screens will get screen burn if you use it long enough. Its impossible to know when it will happen, but yeah theres a big risk. Its generally not such a big deal since lots of people are upgrading their phone quite frequently. Not as big a deal as say a giant TV that you might not want to replace every 2 years.

That's just the price one has to pay for having an OLED screen. My main issue with the X is how fragile it apparently is. I hate phone covers personally, and never use them. Whats the point of a beautiful design you're paying so much for, if its housed in an ugly thick coating of rubber and plastic? Is my attitude.

Its meant to be really really fragile. If you drop it without a case, it breaks. And the Pixel 2 XL has severe screen burn issues out of the gate. And these are the only two phones I want. Rounded corners and an OLED is almost a must.

Yeah it sucks but I imagine I'll upgrade next year since Apple usually does big improvements on the 2nd version of new hardware revisions.

On another note with about 24 hours with the phone now, I'm loving it. The gestures are natural and I love the flow of things. Also, I guess I'm used to True Tone after hating it at first.
 

NIcktendo86

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All OLED screens will get screen burn if you use it long enough. Its impossible to know when it will happen, but yeah theres a big risk. Its generally not such a big deal since lots of people are upgrading their phone quite frequently. Not as big a deal as say a giant TV that you might not want to replace every 2 years.

That's just the price one has to pay for having an OLED screen. My main issue with the X is how fragile it apparently is. I hate phone covers personally, and never use them. Whats the point of a beautiful design you're paying so much for, if its housed in an ugly thick coating of rubber and plastic? Is my attitude.

Its meant to be really really fragile. If you drop it without a case, it breaks. And the Pixel 2 XL has severe screen burn issues out of the gate. And these are the only two phones I want. Rounded corners and an OLED is almost a must.

The problem with the Pixel 2 XL is different to the burn in with the iPhone X due to the navigation bar at the bottom. You probably know all this but anyway, what happens is the screen degrades over time but the black nav bar, which never lights up doesn't degrade at the same rate leaving a bright bar at the bottom.

I've tried to combat this on my Pixel XL by installing an app called navbar apps which puts a colour on the nav bar, hopefuly this will mean the whole screen should degrade more equally,

So yeah, to sum up the iPhone X screen should be fine.
 

tx2005

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The problem with the Pixel 2 XL is different to the burn in with the iPhone X due to the navigation bar at the bottom. You probably know all this but anyway, what happens is the screen degrades over time but the black nav bar, which never lights up doesn't degrade at the same rate leaving a bright bar at the bottom.

I've tried to combat this on my Pixel XL by installing an app called navbar apps which puts a colour on the nav bar, hopefuly this will mean the whole screen should degrade more equally,

So yeah, to sum up the iPhone X screen should be fine.

What about the icons at the top like LTE/data bars that usually there? Could we see those burn into the top of the X display eventually? I've also seen some concerns about navigation apps where you could have the same app running for hours on end during a long drive.
 

MrKlaw

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All OLED screens will get screen burn if you use it long enough. Its impossible to know when it will happen, but yeah theres a big risk. Its generally not such a big deal since lots of people are upgrading their phone quite frequently. Not as big a deal as say a giant TV that you might not want to replace every 2 years.

That's just the price one has to pay for having an OLED screen. My main issue with the X is how fragile it apparently is. I hate phone covers personally, and never use them. Whats the point of a beautiful design you're paying so much for, if its housed in an ugly thick coating of rubber and plastic? Is my attitude.

Its meant to be really really fragile. If you drop it without a case, it breaks. And the Pixel 2 XL has severe screen burn issues out of the gate. And these are the only two phones I want. Rounded corners and an OLED is almost a must.


where did you read about it being fragile? If it was that squaretrade article, well they have a vested interest in pointing out how expensive it would be if it broke, they're tryign to sell you insurance. Other drop tests I've seen it seems to do slightly better than the iphone 8.
 

Book One

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Just about everything I read about FaceID puts my doubts about it at ease and makes it more likely I'll pick up the X at some point. Just reading about stuff like notifications expanding details when you glance at them or the thought of 1Password authenticating the same way makes me genuinely excited about using it.
 

theDream

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where did you read about it being fragile? If it was that squaretrade article, well they have a vested interest in pointing out how expensive it would be if it broke, they're tryign to sell you insurance. Other drop tests I've seen it seems to do slightly better than the iphone 8.

Read it in a few places, don't remember where though. Yesterday I was listening to the gadgetlab podcast which is the Wired gadget podcast, the lastest episode is largely just about the Iphone X. And they say if you drop it, it breaks. On any side, or any corner. In fact, on the podcast they say thin covers for the X are not enough, and a thicker one is needed if you want to stop from breaking it. It's the main thing that is stopping me at the moment.

https://soundcloud.com/wired

I think the vast majority of people will be fine as most people are used to keeping their phone in a case. Its just I've never done that, and would rather not start now. Of course a nasty fall can do in any phone, but the X apparently cracks somewhat easily. Apparently, a non cased Iphone X is a non starter is what I read.

My instinct is to just get the X and not put it in a case and be careful with it, as I've never broken a phone in my life, but I think that would not be smart.

The iPhone X cracked on the first drop
We subjected our brand new iPhone X to a scratch and drop test to determine how much this glass and stainless steel phone can handle.

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-iphone-x-drop-test/

Be careful! $999 iPhone X is 'the most breakable ever' drop tests reveal (and replacing a cracked screen alone will cost an eye watering $279)

iPhone X: most expensive Apple phone is also easiest to break
Tests conclude that iPhone X screen, Face ID and glass back are vulnerable to damage if dropped, but display is ranked by experts as best ever on a smartphone

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...nsive-apple-phone-fragile-drop-screen-display
 
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nexus

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I wonder how Apple will handle the burn in situation, they always replaced dead pixels and small issues with the screen. I wonder if they'll be that way with burn in? I feel like 99% of people with phones would never even notice a dead pixel or even some slight burn in/image retention. It's probably easier for them to just replace the few people who do notice to keep them happy.
 

pj-

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I wonder how Apple will handle the burn in situation, they always replaced dead pixels and small issues with the screen. I wonder if they'll be that way with burn in? I feel like 99% of people with phones would never even notice a dead pixel or even some slight burn in/image retention. It's probably easier for them to just replace the few people who do notice to keep them happy.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've had an s7 for over a year with always on screen enabled and there is no hint of burn in. If you're not using the phone 5 hours a day at max brightness I doubt there will be any probs
 

theDream

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Yeah it sucks but I imagine I'll upgrade next year since Apple usually does big improvements on the 2nd version of new hardware revisions.

On another note with about 24 hours with the phone now, I'm loving it. The gestures are natural and I love the flow of things. Also, I guess I'm used to True Tone after hating it at first.

It's also the most beautiful phone in my opinion. It's pretty stunning in person. I also think the Pixel 2 XL looks fantastic. Prefer it over the Galaxy design, personally. But man the Pixel 2 regular looks so outdated with the massive bezels and box screen. Crazy how ugly boxy screens looks to me after just spending a bit of time with the rounded screens.
 

LesPaul

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So my iPhone X always shows the location services icon next to the time. Is gps always active? I checked in the setting and they are set to either only allow when an app is opened or turned off.
 

Vuze

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Read it in a few places, don't remember where though. Yesterday I was listening to the gadgetlab podcast which is the Wired gadget podcast, the lastest episode is largely just about the Iphone X. And they say if you drop it, it breaks. On any side, or any corner. In fact, on the podcast they say thin covers for the X are not enough, and a thicker one is needed if you want to stop from breaking it. It's the main thing that is stopping me at the moment.
Just go naked with it if you want and don't consider yourself clumsy. Insurance, screen protectors and cases are a huge business and you never know which outlet is involved in which way or who is just reporting on which source. Some have been reposting the drop "test" of a phone insurance company to say the least... meanwhile the phone has held up really great in EAPs video (https://youtu.be/8vHCBwJVeO4). Luck is always a factor so eh.
 

Calaba

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So my iPhone X always shows the location services icon next to the time. Is gps always active? I checked in the setting and they are set to either only allow when an app is opened or turned off.

Go to privacy -> location services in settings and you can see which apps are actively using GPS
 

MrKlaw

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Just tying out the dark theme and - eww why does safari keep the horrible massive light grey bars??

Would be nice if the top bar disappeared after a couple of seconds or adopted the background colour of the page you're on
 

Dreamwriter

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I wonder how Apple will handle the burn in situation, they always replaced dead pixels and small issues with the screen. I wonder if they'll be that way with burn in? I feel like 99% of people with phones would never even notice a dead pixel or even some slight burn in/image retention. It's probably easier for them to just replace the few people who do notice to keep them happy.
OLED burn in can actually be kinda sorta fixed, or at least hidden. It's caused by the fact that OLED pixels wear out over time and become less bright. If some pixels are left bright and unchanged much longer than other ones, those pixels can wear out more quickly than their neighbors, causing them to be dimmer than the rest of the pixels, resulting in image retention (burn in). The solution is to run an app which lights up all pixels *except those ones* for a time to cause even wear on the entire screen. There's even an Android app that does it.

So that's likely what Apple would do to handle it, take the device and run an app that removes the image retention.
 

nexus

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I wouldn't worry about it too much. I've had an s7 for over a year with always on screen enabled and there is no hint of burn in. If you're not using the phone 5 hours a day at max brightness I doubt there will be any probs

OLED burn in can actually be kinda sorta fixed, or at least hidden. It's caused by the fact that OLED pixels wear out over time and become less bright. If some pixels are left bright and unchanged much longer than other ones, those pixels can wear out more quickly than their neighbors, causing them to be dimmer than the rest of the pixels, resulting in image retention (burn in). The solution is to run an app which lights up all pixels *except those ones* for a time to cause even wear on the entire screen. There's even an Android app that does it.

So that's likely what Apple would do to handle it, take the device and run an app that removes the image retention.

I'm not too worried about it personally, the Upgrade Program includes Applecare so even if I end up getting some I'll just get it replaced if it's bad enough.
 

BAD

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OLED burn in can actually be kinda sorta fixed, or at least hidden. It's caused by the fact that OLED pixels wear out over time and become less bright. If some pixels are left bright and unchanged much longer than other ones, those pixels can wear out more quickly than their neighbors, causing them to be dimmer than the rest of the pixels, resulting in image retention (burn in). The solution is to run an app which lights up all pixels *except those ones* for a time to cause even wear on the entire screen. There's even an Android app that does it.

So that's likely what Apple would do to handle it, take the device and run an app that removes the image retention.
The solution is to burn the rest of the screen ... no thanks

Also should I expect to ever see the burn in if I'm only keeping this until next years model? How fast can it show up on high end Samsung screens?
 

Dreamwriter

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Why hasn't google updated their apps yet?
They did update their Photos app. As for the rest, it's because the device has only been available since Friday, and a big corporation isn't going to submit a fix without testing on actual hardware. Then it has to go through Apple testing before the fix can get released, and I'd bet Apple is getting a whole slew of updates that they have to test, slowing the process down. Admittedly, some apps like GMail shouldn't take that much work, but something as complicated as Google Maps could require a lot of work, and then internal testing to make sure they didn't screw something up. Better to take longer to update an app than to release a broken app and have to release a patch.
 

MrKlaw

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They did update their Photos app. As for the rest, it's because the device has only been available since Friday, and a big corporation isn't going to submit a fix without testing on actual hardware. Then it has to go through Apple testing before the fix can get released, and I'd bet Apple is getting a whole slew of updates that they have to test, slowing the process down. Admittedly, some apps like GMail shouldn't take that much work, but something as complicated as Google Maps could require a lot of work, and then internal testing to make sure they didn't screw something up. Better to take longer to update than to release a broken app and have to release a patch.

they've also made relatively big changes to how they handle screen layouts - if your app isn't set up for that, it could take some time to adjust properly.
 

Border

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What's The AppleCare deductible on the rear glass? I am considering just getting a SquareTrade warranty and a good case.
 

Dreamwriter

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After using my iPhone X for a few days, there's one thing that keeps messing me up: swipe up for home in landscape apps. It changes the "swipe up" edge to the new bottom edge of the screen, but I keep swiping the portrait-bottom, probably because that's where the home button was and the iPhone X doesn't support landscape mode for its home screen.