Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite

Stuart444 · Apr 6, 2018

Kalor said:
Vote: Stuart444

There's something about their play that strikes me as off. As other people have mentioned, their prod votes were weak but the thing that sticks out to me is their recent vote on nin. Most of their reasons to vote nin are just echoing statements that people have already said and the post comes shortly after people talk about how Stuart hasn't really challenged anyone with their votes. It could just be town trying to adjust to the game but it could be scum adjusting to try to lower suspicion.

On this point. I had posted when I unvoted Nin originally that I might put my vote back onto him as

Stuart444 said:
Unvote

You didn't really explain why you weren't around, just that you weren't but since you've returned, I'll take my vote off you for now. It might return later on though.

So it's not like it's an out of the blue vote. It's just that I gained more reasons to vote for him as I saw him post. And considering I went on the offense towards him in my last post and that I felt he was most likely scum, I decided to put my vote down. You know, the old "Put your money where your mouth is" - except in this case, it was my vote.

If I'm echoing sentiments, it's merely because those sentiments are obvious to others as well but I wrote that post and vote without thinking about how others saw him. I see him as Scum now and that's why I voted and am keeping my vote there.

empressdonna · Apr 6, 2018

Vote: Nin

While all 3 choices on the table were initially on my neutral list, some of Nin's posts from last night have leaned my thinking more towards that he is potentially scum.

It's just a gut feeling that something isn't quite right.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

SweetNicole said:
Kyanrute

I noticed that you disappeared from the game the second Grizzly stopped pressuring you...

The temporal disappearance of comrade Kyan is certainly as certain a truth as the truth that patriotic red is the only true color of the revolution, but what is this pressure from comrade Bear? I recall no such a thing.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Has mechanical comrade Sophia enjoyed her re-read of the works of comrade Kyaaa?

The Bear · Apr 6, 2018

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

stuart444 (4 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
sweetnicole - #741
grizzly - #744

nin (2 votes)
~~stuart444 - #542~~ #608
~~sweetnicole - #544~~ #741
stuart444 - #674
empressdonna - #748

xbro (1 votes)
~~grizzly - #566~~ #744
~~stuart444 - #610~~ #639
fandorin - #732

fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501

empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554

geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551

zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
~~empressdonna - #657~~ #658

sophia (0 votes)
~~stuart444 - #487~~ #505

zippedpinhead (0 votes)
~~empressdonna - #658~~ #728

Post Counts: grizzly: 41 nin: 31 geno: 25 brazil: 23 stuart444: 21 sophia: 16 kyanrute: 15 sweetnicole: 13 ketkat: 13 empressdonna: 13 dcpat: 13 fandorin: 13 kalor: 12 zippedpinhead: 12 apollo: 11 xbro: 8 faddy: 5

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DCPat · Apr 6, 2018

Ill have to do a reread on Bro en Stuart, but I won't vote Nin.

I don't know him very well, but I think the accusations against him are to easy.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Comrade Fandorin, you mention that you voted for comrade Geno because he did not protect himself in a time of great peril. Why does this make comrade Geno into a capitalist instead of a misplaying communist? Everyone should be looking for their own survival and I feel that not protecting oneself is to play foolishly, but the act does not tell anything about the alignment of the person in question in my opinion.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

I was afraid that comrade Apollo might form a pattern for himself where he sits in the main doorway of the commune center, tossing the one idea he is chasing to anyone that passes him. The pattern is not that clear, as he has tossed some comments about other things too, but overall I would like to hear more from him, hope the cholera does not take him too from the proletariat. A side concern of this comrade is also the all-around wording comrade Apollo uses. He leaves a lot of room for stance switching for himself again in his Geno vote post. Alas, while concerning, it is somewhat hard to call that a clear sign of anti-revolutionary thoughts.

Kalor · Apr 6, 2018

SweetNicole said:
Are you actually going to interact with these people you want to hear more from? All you've done is say "I want to hear from them" and then tossed a vote Stuart's way a few hours later.

It's like you're taking great steps not to actually interact or pressure anyone when we all know you're perfectly capable of doing so. A lot of things that can be said about Stuart's play and passivity can, to a certain extent, be said about you as well. nin, xbro, sophia, zipped and apollo have all been here engaging in discussion and back and forth, yet you haven't asked them any questions or pressured them in any ways. Why not, if you're curious about them?

Hell, your last post with serious substance was defending mechanics talk, and all you really had before that was mechanics talk too or defending your mechanics talk...

Man, looking back to your content so far today, you're jumping towards the top of my possible scum list. I don't like your play today one bit.

I don't have any specific questions for anyone that I mentioned right now so I'm just paying attention to any new posts.

As for voting for Stuart and not the people I mentioned, that's because the post that stuck out to me occurred after I posted my list.

I've definitely been passive today but that's more a personal thing rather than anything in the game itself.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Comrades Kalor and nin feel wrong. Comrade Kalor seems more focused and present than expected and comrade nin is... strange, really. Apologetic, says a lot in words, much like certain other comrade, yet I do not feel the communist content is there. The Semantics of the Defense of Comrade Geno was certainly a interesting piece to read, makes for good filler/strange defense.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Strange defense in the way of "just interested in defending myself", this comrade should clarify the above.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

empressdonna said:
Vote: Nin

While all 3 choices on the table were initially on my neutral list, some of Nin's posts from last night have leaned my thinking more towards that he is potentially scum.

It's just a gut feeling that something isn't quite right.

Comrade, the table belongs to all of us. There is yet time for you to present your own ideas. You needn't latch on to the ideas of others. If you could put the corpse on the table, who would it be?

nin · Apr 6, 2018

I am okay with leaving my vote on empressdonna, even though Stuart seems to be a viable choice too I want to leave my vote on her.

DCPat · Apr 6, 2018

nin said:
I am okay with leaving my vote on empressdonna, even though Stuart seems to be a viable choice too I want to leave my vote on her.

By the looks of it this will be a thrown away vote at day end tho.

empressdonna · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Comrade, the table belongs to all of us. There is yet time for you to present your own ideas. You needn't latch on to the ideas of others. If you could put the corpse on the table, who would it be?

I feel like there must be scum hidden within the people I feel are neutral.

As I said above nin is leaning more scum to me so I feel fine with my vote as it stands but others that are curious to me are Geno, Zipped which I discussed before and yourself Kyan.

With yourself, I think it is still just your posting style that is throwing me off and I don't want to put you on the chopping block for just that. It doesn't make sense and it screams of laziness.

Zipped still feels neutral to me, I just see them on either side right now and I took my vote off of them as they would certainly not be a target tonight.

Geno is there because of what he said about ignoring you D1 but he has backed down from that so I'm trying to focus on other things that could stick out and for now, I don't have much to go on.

Brazil · Apr 6, 2018

DCPat said:
Ill have to do a reread on Bro en Stuart, but I won't vote Nin.

I don't know him very well, but I think the accusations against him are to easy.

Oh, DCPat, drive-by posts like this are so bad. Why do you think the accusations against nin are too easy? Please share more.

You literally said you liked Stuart444's accusation against nin during this very phase:

DCPat said:
Haha wow. Going from a player who does not like to pressure and attack people to this well guided attack on the great Nin (Nin copyright). Bold move, let's see how that works out for him.

Sorry Nin, but I like it. Although I dont agree with all of it, specially the part about window-dressing your post count.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Grizzly said:
As a note, I've been feeling better about Apollo today. Not enough so that I wouldn't still somewhat scum-read him, but he is not my main target of suspicion now.

Now I am not a mind reader so I cannot tell how strongly comrade Bear exactly felt about comrade Apollo on the 1st day of the revolution but the timing of this feels really odd. All comrade Apollo had posted before this was some mechanics speak and a safe-ish vote on comrade Apollo and somehow that was enough for comrade Bear to look away from his former lead capitalist. Rawr.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Well, comrades, obviously that is supposed to say vote on comrade Geno, not on comrade Apollo. Forgive me, as it was only at my adulthood that I managed to have the time to learn how to write.

The Bear · Apr 6, 2018

empressdonna can I please get your read on Stuart444 that isn't just "eh I'm neutral". It feels like you are avoiding talking about him on purpose.

Kyanrute said:
Now I am not a mind reader so I cannot tell how strongly comrade Bear exactly felt about comrade Apollo on the 1st day of the revolution but the timing of this feels really odd. All comrade Apollo had posted before this was some mechanics speak and a safe-ish vote on comrade Apollo and somehow that was enough for comrade Bear to look away from his former lead capitalist. Rawr.

I explained my stance about Apollo to Brazil after that post. Although note that he has been quite absent since then, which has made me feel worse about him since that.

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

Just woke up. Time to read over.

Brazil · Apr 6, 2018

SweetNicole said:
Brazil Looking over today, it doesn't seem like you've really interacted with Kalor today. What's your read on Kalor right now?

He looks bad. But so many players look bad right now it's giving me a headache.

He's coasting. Both of his votes so far (including the one against confirmed town Sexy Fish) relied on second-hand arguments from others. The "I'd like to hear more from" post you pointed out is the weakest type of pressure you can put against someone. And he made sure to distance himself from the two presumably scum actions that happened overnight with his first D2 posts:

Kalor said:
I don't see anything weird on the board, although that's just from an initial glance.

Royal Flush wouldn't have been my first choice for a kill, though they were probably just playing it safe and going for someone that wouldn't give too much information.

Kalor said:
Oh, I just realized Bond Street was blown up.

Zippedpinhead · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Well, comrades, obviously that is supposed to say vote on comrade Geno, not on comrade Apollo. Forgive me, as it was only at my adulthood that I managed to have the time to learn how to write.

It's because you are hungry comrade, demand your bread from the filthy rulers!

In your previous post, do you mean Geno for all instances of Apollo, or just some? I can't follow it

DCPat · Apr 6, 2018

Brazil said:
Oh, DCPat, drive-by posts like this are so bad. Why do you think the accusations against nin are too easy? Please share more.

You literally said you liked Stuart444's accusation against nin during this very phase:

I'll share more, I'm on phone atm. To much of a hassle. It's also the cause of my quick in and out posting nature, but it's better than nothing.

Off course I liked it. He picks one of the most straight forward players as target for one of his first experiences of pressuring somebody. Don't tell me you didn't like it.

And I already said I didn't agree with all of it.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Grizzly said:
I explained my stance about Apollo to Brazil after that post. Although note that he has been quite absent since then, which has made me feel worse about him since that.

The explanation does not change my impression, comrade. I do not see how you can consider the posts comrade Apollo made before your post a clear improvement over his day one performance. All comrade Apollo had said at the point where you commended him about his improvement was mechanics talk (what comrade Bear is greatly afraid of) and a single other post.

VOTE: Grizzly

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Has mechanical comrade Sophia enjoyed her re-read of the works of comrade Kyaaa?

Mechanical Sophia has been offline for extended maintenance, Comrade. The works of our great and glorious comrade Kyan are vast and difficult to phrase, and much defragmentation required to ensure the information was successfully retained.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Zippedpinhead said:
It's because you are hungry comrade, demand your bread from the filthy rulers!

In your previous post, do you mean Geno for all instances of Apollo, or just some? I can't follow it

Have you hit your head comrade? The leaders lie asleep six feet under. From whom am I to demand anything?

All comrade Apollo had posted before this was some mechanics speak and a safe-ish vote on comrade Apollo and somehow that was enough for comrade Bear to look away from his former lead capitalist.

should be

All comrade Apollo had posted before this was some mechanics speak and a safe-ish vote on comrade Geno and somehow that was enough for comrade Bear to look away from his former lead capitalist.

empressdonna · Apr 6, 2018

Grizzly said:
empressdonna can I please get your read on Stuart444 that isn't just "eh I'm neutral". It feels like you are avoiding talking about him on purpose.

My current opinion is leaning heavily towards a new inexperienced townie that is just copying what he is seeing others do or advice given by his mentor.

I don't deny that the poke vote - voter posts - unvote nature is a little strange and seems like he doesn't really have a focus on anyone until his outright pressuring of nin but it is his first game and I feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

He did say about giving us a readlist but he hasn't gotten around to that yet.

However, if he survives tonight, I will be keeping a close eye on him.

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

Vote: stuart444

As I noted last night. Nin is a blindspot for me, Stuart is not.

Stuart444 · Apr 6, 2018

empressdonna said:
He did say about giving us a readlist but he hasn't gotten around to that yet.

Huh, I completely forgot about that since I went in on and Voted for Nin.

nin · Apr 6, 2018

DCPat said:
By the looks of it this will be a thrown away vote at day end tho.

I know this can be argued but it is still early, I mean there are still a lot of players who did not put their vote down. As of now I do not share your view

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Sophia said:
Mechanical Sophia has been offline for extended maintenance, Comrade. The works of our great and glorious comrade Kyan are vast and difficult to phrase, and much defragmentation required to ensure the information was successfully retained.

The commune is surely glad to hear that the machine is proceeding with the analysis. My apologies for disturbing the intensive task, alas us biological comrades are not well versed in the inner workings of the machine and as such can become impatient during extensive periods of downtime.

Stuart444 · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
The commune is surely glad to hear that the machine is proceeding with the analysis. My apologies for disturbing the intensive task, alas us biological comrades are not well versed in the inner workings of the machine and as such can become impatient during extensive periods of downtime.

I hope you survive until the end. Your posting style is growing on me heavily. I almost enjoy refreshing the page to see a post from you.

Fandorin · Apr 6, 2018

SweetNicole said:
So, would it suffice to say you're not going to be satisfied with this event until you've lynched both Xbro and Kalor? I'll admit, if that's your only reasoning for voting for someone today, I find that some weak logic for voting. Looking at the history of previous games, which Brazil mentioned before, it tends to be NAI. Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious about it, same as you, but I'd like to see a more formed reason for voting for someone beyond "voted and unvoted at the same time."

I more than just voted and unvoted to me. EoD was 3 hours away, so it was time to place down serious votes, and other wagons were forming and kyan's was ramping down. If scum was on the vote, it was an ideal moment to change votes, right after Grizzly threw some shade over it.

A single vote would easily pass unnoticeable, but by chance 2 other townies voted at the same together, backfiring it all. Xbro is the one to immediately react to it, indicating to me that that vote was important to him.

I'd probably stop pursuing this angle if Xbro or even Kalor flips town and review what info I have and look for other players. And like I said I'm fine with a Stuart lynch as well, so voting for Xbro now puts two players I scum read at the line. Easier to see vote movement that way.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Stuart444 said:
I hope you survive until the end. Your posting style is growing on me heavily. I almost enjoy refreshing the page to see a post from you.

Comrade Kyan in general has had a rather great survival rate, so that is nice. His win rate as a communist though is not nearly as nice, so that certainly is not nice.

The Bear · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
The explanation does not change my impression, comrade. I do not see how you can consider the posts comrade Apollo made before your post a clear improvement over his day one performance. All comrade Apollo had said at the point where you commended him about his improvement was mechanics talk (what comrade Bear is greatly afraid of) and a single other post.

VOTE: Grizzly

There's not much to be discussed here. You disagree with my read, and that's that.

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
The commune is surely glad to hear that the machine is proceeding with the analysis. My apologies for disturbing the intensive task, alas us biological comrades are not well versed in the inner workings of the machine and as such can become impatient during extensive periods of downtime.

Mechanical Sophia is admittedly a bit confused as to where comrade Kyan intends to place his magical share of the collective proletariatian power. How does the comrade feel about the current face of democracy on display?

Brazil · Apr 6, 2018

Fandorin said:
I more than just voted and unvoted to me. EoD was 3 hours away, so it was time to place down serious votes, and other wagons were forming and kyan's was ramping down. If scum was on the vote, it was an ideal moment to change votes, right after Grizzly threw some shade over it.

A single vote would easily pass unnoticeable, but by chance 2 other townies voted at the same together, backfiring it all. Xbro is the one to immediately react to it, indicating to me that that vote was important to him.

I'd probably stop pursuing this angle if Xbro or even Kalor flips town and review what info I have and look for other players. And like I said I'm fine with a Stuart lynch as well, so voting for Xbro now puts two players I scum read at the line. Easier to see vote movement that way.

I don't get this. If you think there's scum among those two, if one of them flips town, the other should be your next target. no?

Brazil · Apr 6, 2018

Nevermind, I get what you meant.

Kyanrute · Apr 6, 2018

Sophia said:
Mechanical Sophia is admittedly a bit confused as to where comrade Kyan intends to place his magical share of the collective proletariatian power. How does the comrade feel about the current face of democracy on display?

Comrades Xbro, Fandorin and Bear have possibly shown contradictory behavior, my current stance towards them is elimination. Though I shall re-read comrade Bear at least and I am waiting for responses from the other two.

In addition, I have yet to educate myself on some current topics, like comrade Stuart for an example.

Geno · Apr 6, 2018

I'm starting to really not like how Apollo is playing, all he does is pop in, say something like "Yeah Geno did that, still scum" and leaves for like 5 hours.

Fandorin · Apr 6, 2018

Geno said:
I'm starting to really not like how Apollo is playing, all he does is pop in, say something like "Yeah Geno did that, still scum" and leaves for like 5 hours.

That's pretty much what you did today but with me?

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Comrades Xbro, Fandorin and Bear have possibly shown contradictory behavior, my current stance towards them is elimination. Though I shall re-read comrade Bear at least and I am waiting for responses from the other two.

In addition, I have yet to educate myself on some current topics, like comrade Stuart for an example.

Hmm... Comrades Xbro and Fandorin had his vote on Geno day 1, and now comrade Fandorin is on the democratic vote for comrad Xbro. Very curious. This robot feels slightly better about Fandorin being a true comrade, due to the previous conversation. However, it is what you humans would call a "slight gut read"

Comrade Bear and Comrade Nin above had quite the debate, but this robot is not sure how to process it yet? This robot felt slightly better about comrade bear insofar of their Day 1 vote, but hmm...

Fandorin · Apr 6, 2018

Kyanrute said:
Comrade Fandorin, you mention that you voted for comrade Geno because he did not protect himself in a time of great peril. Why does this make comrade Geno into a capitalist instead of a misplaying communist? Everyone should be looking for their own survival and I feel that not protecting oneself is to play foolishly, but the act does not tell anything about the alignment of the person in question in my opinion.

Agreed, comrade. Like I said earlier, the lack or self preservation was the tipping point for me to decide whom to vote for, but I don't scum read Geno for doing that.
I didn't like his attitude and wanted to see if he would move his vote. He didn't seem much concerned about it even after my vote, displaying some weird

Fandorin · Apr 6, 2018

*relunctance in actually voting for Sexy. If Geno is scum and knew Sexy was town, he tried his best to avoid a drop off vote on him.

That's not a angle I'm willig to go for right now, just repeating my thoughts on the matter.

SweetNicole · Apr 6, 2018

help I joined a mafia game and now it's just some shitty roleplay writing

Android Sophia · Apr 6, 2018

SweetNicole said:
help I joined a mafia game and now it's just some shitty roleplay writing

Sorry, lol. I woke up in a good mood. >_<;

Fandorin · Apr 6, 2018

Wait, I'm actually alone on my Xbro vote now?

Between nin and Stuart I'd vote for the later, like previously stated.

SweetNicole · Apr 6, 2018

Fandorin said:
I more than just voted and unvoted to me. EoD was 3 hours away, so it was time to place down serious votes, and other wagons were forming and kyan's was ramping down. If scum was on the vote, it was an ideal moment to change votes, right after Grizzly threw some shade over it.

A single vote would easily pass unnoticeable, but by chance 2 other townies voted at the same together, backfiring it all. Xbro is the one to immediately react to it, indicating to me that that vote was important to him.

I'd probably stop pursuing this angle if Xbro or even Kalor flips town and review what info I have and look for other players. And like I said I'm fine with a Stuart lynch as well, so voting for Xbro now puts two players I scum read at the line. Easier to see vote movement that way.

Okay. I understand what you're saying now. Thank you for clarifying.

SweetNicole · Apr 6, 2018

==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

stuart444 (5 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
sweetnicole - #741
grizzly - #744
sophia - #774

nin (2 votes)
~~stuart444 - #542~~ #608
~~sweetnicole - #544~~ #741
stuart444 - #674
empressdonna - #748

xbro (1 votes)
~~grizzly - #566~~ #744
~~stuart444 - #610~~ #639
fandorin - #732

fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501

grizzly (1 votes)
kyanrute - #770

empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554

geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551

zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
~~empressdonna - #657~~ #658

sophia (0 votes)
~~stuart444 - #487~~ #505

zippedpinhead (0 votes)
~~empressdonna - #658~~ #728

Post Counts:
grizzly: 44 nin: 33 brazil: 27 kyanrute: 27 geno: 26 stuart444: 23 sophia: 22 fandorin: 18 dcpat: 16 sweetnicole: 15 empressdonna: 15 ketkat: 13 kalor: 13 zippedpinhead: 13 apollo: 11 xbro: 8 faddy: 5

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The Bear · Apr 6, 2018

Thanks Donna on your read about Stuart. However:

empressdonna said:
Vote: Nin

While all 3 choices on the table were initially on my neutral list, some of Nin's posts from last night have leaned my thinking more towards that he is potentially scum.

It's just a gut feeling that something isn't quite right.

Can you elaborate about what posts from nin made you scum read him? And why?

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