Yeah I'll most likely go but still it just pisses me off, what did I study this shit for when it then takes forever to find a semi-decent job and even longer to find one that interests you. Might as well have become a garbageman.
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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing
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no need to job shame garbagemen. they do stuff you would never do in your life.
Not jobshaming them, they even make a respectable amount of cash. My point was that if this situation is the reward for years of studying then i might as well have done something like that with a shorter introduction and similar pay.
So. Cover letters. Pretty much my least favorite part of applying for jobs. Does anyone have any useful advice for making them a bit easier?
I'm by no means an expert, but I always try to keep them short and to the point. The opening paragraph should always be custom to the job you're applying to since it's the most likely to be read, the middle is where I dump stats and wins from my previous jobs, which can be copy/pasta from letter to letter, and the final paragraph I lean into my top three skills that I imagine the company is looking for in their canidate. Usually this third section is identical in each letter since I usually apply for the same types of jobs.
Whole thing should be easy to read in less than 3 minutes, otherwise you're wasting your time.
Don't lose your life to a cover letter since statistically it's not going to be read very closely, but you also can't phone it in unfortunately.
I haven't seen one, at least not an active one. Maybe you can start one and then put your own question in the second post.
According to Dice recruiters their cut doesn't come from your salary.
Recently employed after a year and a half of searching but quickly realized that it's not for me at all and the ceiling for potential is incredibly low.
I'm stressed and anxious about what to do with myself because I'm not entirely sure where I want to go from here, but staying put feels like a quick road to stagnation. Incredibly frustrating.
I'm stressed and anxious about what to do with myself because I'm not entirely sure where I want to go from here, but staying put feels like a quick road to stagnation. Incredibly frustrating.
Recruiters are worth working with if they work for the company and are recruiting you to directly hire you for said company immediately. They are also worth it if you don't have any other options or are an entry level applicant looking for experience. They are pretty much useless if you have experience and they don't work directly for a company, though.
If you can find something more appealing. Leave. Never stay at a place that you hate working at if said place isn't your only option.
Out of the blue, upper management has called a meeting to discuss the future of my team on Monday and someone from the head office is coming in to talk.
Also same day a old recruiter emailed me asking if I am interested in looking for work.
Welp. I know how the universe works. Time to polish up the CV.
Also same day a old recruiter emailed me asking if I am interested in looking for work.
Welp. I know how the universe works. Time to polish up the CV.
I think it's situational. In my experience, if they come to you with an opportunity, it's worth it because that means the company hired them to find someone and they found you. But on the other hand, I've never had luck when approaching them, and I don't like ceding control to them regarding where they apply me to.
They're paid for by the company, so they don't take your pay. It's worth keeping in mind that they are incentived to move as many people as possible, so they might not have your best interest in mind when negotiating compensation.
Any of you do full-time and a second job?
Doubt I'll be able to get something significantly better, a second job that goes straight into saving or cc debt would nice. Flexible as well considering 9-5 are locked down.
Doubt I'll be able to get something significantly better, a second job that goes straight into saving or cc debt would nice. Flexible as well considering 9-5 are locked down.
So I've decided to move out of my town and move to where my bets friend lives. Sucks seeing my resume be auto-rejected based on location so I'm using his address. Oh well.
Hey fellas, I am in Canada and I just secured an internship for the summer at a major Canadian bank. Problem is my credit score is 588 :/ Is it possible I can be rejected based just on that score? I am really scared now, maybe I should have held on to that walmart cashier job for a while longer
Anyone have suggestions for an online job? As in good places to look, jobs to seek like customer service or something, recruitment agencies, etc.?
Could really use the extra cash.
Could really use the extra cash.
Copypasta. Save all of your cover letters until you get a job (then you can start deleting all but the best examples). When applying, pick the cover letter for a job you've applied for with the closest job description to the one you're currently applying for. Modify the letter as much as you need to to sound genuine, then "save as" for a new letter.
If it's just an "email your resume and cover letter to this email address" application, I could crack out an application in 15 minutes.
Ah, thanks for this. I had a friend who insisted that cover letters were incredibly important, and that I should be doing a bespoke one for each application - but that's a lot of time and work, and really slows down the number of jobs you can apply for in each day. And even when I was doing that, I don't feel like I was getting that many responses anyway (and I'd like to think that in general, I'm a pretty decent writer).
What do you think about talking about employment gaps in your cover letter? Assuming you can explain that you were actually doing something and not just sitting on your ass watching television for several months. Do you think it helps to be upfront about why you weren't working for a bit?
That sucks man, but 6 weeks is better than most get these days. They going to be more flexible with schedules as you all look for work?
Well I work for a company the bank hired for a department
That company is "shifting focus" and exiting this side of their business.
Now we have to wait and hear from the bank. In theory they would want staff continuity so they should take us on but no one from that side has talked to us yet. It's somewhat news to them too.
But now we just have to wait and see.
Worked in a Rental Car place for the last few years, then got a job as an Outside Sales Rep for a Construction Manufacturer and then got fired. I just landed a job as a Tech Recruiter for a big firm. My first day is the 23rd. It took me about 2-3 weeks to find another job.
This is the week. Call with one job today, another tomorrow, and an in-person with a third on Thursday. Nerves are going to kill me by Friday.
I've been getting a lot of bullshit e-mails from "job recruiters", coming from subscription lists I never signed up for. This shit started when I began applying for jobs in Monster. Is this some automatic crap where Monster signs you up for these spam mailing lists? Because I'm not going to continue using it if there's no way to filter that out.
I have a question: are head hunters still a thing? A have a degree and many extracurricular activities/projects related to that degree, but I'm really bad at marketing myself. Also, I really don't know what jobs I should be applying for as my degree is quite broad.
Been seeing a lot of recruiting jobs paying by commission or +salary, any simple description of these jobs?
It's pretty much an Inside Sales Job + Business Development. You have a list of candidates and job postings and you have to find the right fit for both. On top of that your expected to find and source Job Postings and Potential candidates from LinkedIn. My position is a very generous base + uncapped commission.
Always been afraid to apply to these kinds of jobs over the notion that you'd have to essentially strike oil with clients in order to make ends meet. So your job actually supplies you with clients? You don't have to go seek them out, and you get a salary to boot?
My current job is burning me out hard. This spring has been ridiculously stressful (to the point of being detrimental to my health) and we're just expanding our scope even further in the fall. I don't think they've ever heard of letting your workforce catch up to product releases, lol.
Anyway, this is leading to me making a career change and it's brutal out there right now. It's more of a lateral movement across careers—educational assessment to publication—but selling myself is difficult so far. Whole lot of managers don't really understand the similarities and want someone with precise experience. Which is the norm, I guess. Living in a huge city has some benefits but when it comes to finding mid-level positions, people can afford to be incredibly particular about the experience they want.
Ugh, I just need to get out of this place and get into a field I actually care about.
Anyway, this is leading to me making a career change and it's brutal out there right now. It's more of a lateral movement across careers—educational assessment to publication—but selling myself is difficult so far. Whole lot of managers don't really understand the similarities and want someone with precise experience. Which is the norm, I guess. Living in a huge city has some benefits but when it comes to finding mid-level positions, people can afford to be incredibly particular about the experience they want.
Ugh, I just need to get out of this place and get into a field I actually care about.
I'm quite familiar with job burnout. I posted this in the other job community thread, but this thread seems to be the only active one, so I'll copy paste here:
I'm pretty miserable at my current job (Digital Court Reporter Tier 1 Support), but not because of grueling work or long hours....it's actually the opposite problem, it's incredibly boring and it's left me mentally checked out.
First, let me tell you what my daily duties are:
1. Pre-morning check on the reporters, one floor per day. This averages to 30-60 minutes
2. Follow-up check on the reporters, this takes even less time
3. Inventory check on the A/V equipment (varies based on floors/issues, but rarely exceeds one hour either way)
During the periods between those three tasks, I must sit on my desk and observe the reporters on my PC monitor, making sure they're doing their job. I'm also to be on-call whenever there's an issue. This ranges from simple tasks that come from human error ("Your headset isn't plugged in") to escalated tickets, depending. But for the majority of the time, there are rarely any problems to handle.
So in maybe 5 of the 8 hours I'm working, I'm sitting at my desk, looking at my monitor.
I'm not allowed to look at my phone, browse the web, read a book, read a study guide, not even listen to music. I must observe them at all times.
I know it sounds like first world problems, but it's a different kind of mental exhaustion to be literally staring into space for most of my shifts. If I was at least given something to pass the time, it wouldn't be nearly as bad. The rare moments of mercy are whenever my boss steps out or when he takes the day off. A couple of weeks ago he took a week long vacation....I looked at my watch and holy shit it was Friday before I knew it. And I still did my job, it wasn't like I slacked on my duties that week either.
I used to be able to look at whatever I wanted to pass the time, but somewhere along the line he changed policies, so I'm at a point where I almost get panic attacks having to go to work. It's a literal struggle to keep my eyes open, and I have to obsessively stretch out my time like someone rationing his last loaf of bread ("in 20 minutes go use the bathroom, in 40 minutes do your follow-up, in one hour make an excuse to go next door just to walk around...").
I don't know what to do. My boss is a very nice and patient guy....I know he isn't doing this to torture me. He says he's aware that I need more duties, which is something he's discussing with his boss, but one thing I've learned when it comes to government jobs is that things do not move in a steady pace, if at all. Rather than wait around I'm just applying to anything I can online, but more than once I've been tempted to just quit while quickly talking myself down (I need the steady income, it would be incredibly foolish to drop my job under the assumption I'd get a new one right away).
I don't want to bring this up with his boss either (who in turn would be my...mega boss, or whatever), because it could make me look bad and potentially damage my relationship with my boss.
I'm pretty miserable at my current job (Digital Court Reporter Tier 1 Support), but not because of grueling work or long hours....it's actually the opposite problem, it's incredibly boring and it's left me mentally checked out.
First, let me tell you what my daily duties are:
1. Pre-morning check on the reporters, one floor per day. This averages to 30-60 minutes
2. Follow-up check on the reporters, this takes even less time
3. Inventory check on the A/V equipment (varies based on floors/issues, but rarely exceeds one hour either way)
During the periods between those three tasks, I must sit on my desk and observe the reporters on my PC monitor, making sure they're doing their job. I'm also to be on-call whenever there's an issue. This ranges from simple tasks that come from human error ("Your headset isn't plugged in") to escalated tickets, depending. But for the majority of the time, there are rarely any problems to handle.
So in maybe 5 of the 8 hours I'm working, I'm sitting at my desk, looking at my monitor.
I'm not allowed to look at my phone, browse the web, read a book, read a study guide, not even listen to music. I must observe them at all times.
I know it sounds like first world problems, but it's a different kind of mental exhaustion to be literally staring into space for most of my shifts. If I was at least given something to pass the time, it wouldn't be nearly as bad. The rare moments of mercy are whenever my boss steps out or when he takes the day off. A couple of weeks ago he took a week long vacation....I looked at my watch and holy shit it was Friday before I knew it. And I still did my job, it wasn't like I slacked on my duties that week either.
I used to be able to look at whatever I wanted to pass the time, but somewhere along the line he changed policies, so I'm at a point where I almost get panic attacks having to go to work. It's a literal struggle to keep my eyes open, and I have to obsessively stretch out my time like someone rationing his last loaf of bread ("in 20 minutes go use the bathroom, in 40 minutes do your follow-up, in one hour make an excuse to go next door just to walk around...").
I don't know what to do. My boss is a very nice and patient guy....I know he isn't doing this to torture me. He says he's aware that I need more duties, which is something he's discussing with his boss, but one thing I've learned when it comes to government jobs is that things do not move in a steady pace, if at all. Rather than wait around I'm just applying to anything I can online, but more than once I've been tempted to just quit while quickly talking myself down (I need the steady income, it would be incredibly foolish to drop my job under the assumption I'd get a new one right away).
I don't want to bring this up with his boss either (who in turn would be my...mega boss, or whatever), because it could make me look bad and potentially damage my relationship with my boss.
Anyone with time on their hands mind reading over and offering advice on a cover letter template? I'm super not-confident about my writing skills.
It all comes down to the base salary. Anyone can learn to sell its all about effort and energy. However, having a strong base takes all of the pressure off. My last sales job had a pathetic base but high returns on every sale. Sales performance will be very important for me to make more and for job advancement.
This job is uncapped with a base thats nearly double that.
Might have asked this before, but I'm very curious as to what is generally considered the best kind of entry level jobs these days. I'm still applying to IT-related jobs and studying for certifications, but I want out of my current job yesterday and really want to do something else now, so long as it's equal or better than what I've currently got.
I don't necessarily mean jobs where they'll take 0 experience but also meager wages for hard labor, but something that I guess you could call "mid-tier entry level", if that's a thing. The sort of jobs where having a clear background and a college degree (doesn't even matter which) gets you a better-than-average shot of being hired. The more job titles I educate myself in, the better.
I don't necessarily mean jobs where they'll take 0 experience but also meager wages for hard labor, but something that I guess you could call "mid-tier entry level", if that's a thing. The sort of jobs where having a clear background and a college degree (doesn't even matter which) gets you a better-than-average shot of being hired. The more job titles I educate myself in, the better.
Had a great phone call with a recruiter today for a job I'd be great for, in a location I want to be, for great pay. Not letting my foot off the gas peddle but still happy/excited about this.
Just got a offer from one company for a software engineer position, but I waiting for another company who told me that, "They will be proceeding to the offer stage," with me for also a software engineering position. However, I have not heard back from them in 5 days. I am not sure whether I should accept the offer I have on the table or wait for the other company who offer much better pay and benefits plus they also have a location in Japan, which makes that offer much more tempting.
The only concern, is whether it is possible for a company to back tract after telling me that they will be proceeding to the offer stage..I do not want to end up with nothing because getting into the tech industry as a black male is probably one of the hardest thing to accomplish. Eitherway, I will just cross my finger and hope that I hear from that second company soon.
The only concern, is whether it is possible for a company to back tract after telling me that they will be proceeding to the offer stage..I do not want to end up with nothing because getting into the tech industry as a black male is probably one of the hardest thing to accomplish. Eitherway, I will just cross my finger and hope that I hear from that second company soon.
Tell the other company you have another offer in hand and are waiting to hear back from them on their offer. If they hem and haw or give you a run around then take the offer you have.
Did the first company give you set time to make a decision? I'd definitely hit up the second company and ask them what's up, you've got nothing to lose by doing so.
Yea, I taught about. However, for the coding assignment, interviews and assessment I did prior to reaching the offer stage, the process in between was slow and it usually takes a week or two to hear back from them because the job does not start until June. However, the company I have an offer for right now starts at the beginning of May. So, they want a response immediately. I believe the offer will come from the second company, but I will wait a few more days and then I will tell the second company that I am waiting to hear back on their offer. I don't want to appear desperate or try to seem like I m rushing them because I prefer the second offer much more than the first.
Yea, they gave me a 5 business day and I got the offer yesterday. I will probably wait a few days and then contact the second company.
I wouldn't wait. There's no telling how long it might take them to draft an offer and they might blow your deadline simply because they don't work quickly.
Been waiting 2+ months to hear details on a new position I'm being considered for at my current company. I've had a bunch of conversations with them during that time but the wait is killing me. I think we're close to the finish line but it could still be another two weeks before I know anything :(
If you still want a set of eyes on it, I could take a look sometime today probably, I like to think I'm a half-decent writer, at least people at work seem to like what I put out.
I'd be willing to take a look and offer advice. I've had enough experience that I've hired a couple dozen people over my career, and I know the recruiter hotspots where you'd need to punch up a resume/cover letter.
That said, I'm also job hunting so I wouldn't call myself an expert.
So..
Big meetings to find out what the solutions are for my team are happening next week. Management is trying to keep us calm and saying there is nothing to worry about they they have no details.
Big wildcard is a similar team in the HQ office a few miles away was also effected too but rumor has it that building will be shutting down later this year anyway so that staff will be using this drama to make a play to replace some positions from our team with their guys since they have a few years under their belt and try swap a few of our less experienced guys over there (which I may be in that group)
Not sure what id do then. On top of it probably be shut in a few months and I would be taken a huge step down in terms of responsibilities, And it would be a 90 minute commute each way. I am always in the "any work is better the no work" camp but fuck.
I have already been sending CVs out. Hope I can stay in my current gig but preparing if that isnt going to happen
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