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Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite
- Thread starter Faddy
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Xbro is one to watch out for still despite my Nin vote.
He's hardly posted, he's still under the 10 posts he needs and hasn't been seen at all today. Hiding out due to the train that is currently on me? Very likely I think.
I mean, just looking at today I've had posts with thoughts on nin (this related to you by necessity to be fair) and Stuart. I know I'm not doing super great thus far but this is a definite misrepresentation.
Only for like 24h, Apollo has done this since the game started almost.
I'd like to see you do more beyond drop posts here and there. Where's the scum hunting? Where's the pressuring people? Like you keep making thoughts, but thoughts don't help people find scum.
I don't like the way that Xbro is trying to coast by either, but I feel like you aren't really doing much about all the votes on you. What are your reads besides nin?
I could. Or I could wait until later.
Or I could wait until tomorrow if I don't get lynched?
Will Stu give out those reads today? Or will he wait until tomorrow? Or will people never find out.
Stay tuned to find out.
Thoughts lead to scum hunting. I point out things that don't look good to me, or comment on things others have noted that I agree with. These can and have lead to scum lynches in the past, and will hopefully do so moving forward.
Sorry Kyan, but you're getting pushed back on the read list in favor of Apollo for now. Bigger blind spot. :p
Should I read this and assume that you're saying you aren't going to pressure people or try to do any actual scum hunting? Because that is what this post sounds like you are saying.
Yep.
But when are we going to see you actually scum hunt? It's the end of D2 now. My reads on you improved at the start of D2, but they are now dropping right back to "one of main potential scum candidates". It sounds like you are intentionally not contributing.
Sounds like people want me to me more committed to whatever I'm thinking so here's why you should lynch Geno today:
-History of misrepresenting what players have done. Grizzly (legitimately) called out what could definitely be perceived as rolefishing from Geno on D1. Geno then tries to push the argument that this was nonsense. People call out what appears to be a potential link between nin and Geno. Geno says that since they didn't directly interact it was "buddy" as opposed to "buddy-buddy" which is... weak to say the least. He calls me out for exclusively posting about him when that isn't true (and humorous as well considering Fandorin has pointed out that he's done this to him all day). Geno drops in when he feels like it and misrepresents things despite all the evidence to the contrary.
-He was one of the two main trains on D1. I've pointed out before that once Geno took the vote lead, a number of people switched to Fish. Is this a coincidence? It's possible. But in light of my other suspicions against him I'm willing to take the chance and see if there's something more to this.
-His tunneling in Fandorin and his potential connection with nin- finding out if he flips scum would give us some legitimate leads from these relationships. We're early game and don't have much to work with. Let's change that.
-History of misrepresenting what players have done. Grizzly (legitimately) called out what could definitely be perceived as rolefishing from Geno on D1. Geno then tries to push the argument that this was nonsense. People call out what appears to be a potential link between nin and Geno. Geno says that since they didn't directly interact it was "buddy" as opposed to "buddy-buddy" which is... weak to say the least. He calls me out for exclusively posting about him when that isn't true (and humorous as well considering Fandorin has pointed out that he's done this to him all day). Geno drops in when he feels like it and misrepresents things despite all the evidence to the contrary.
-He was one of the two main trains on D1. I've pointed out before that once Geno took the vote lead, a number of people switched to Fish. Is this a coincidence? It's possible. But in light of my other suspicions against him I'm willing to take the chance and see if there's something more to this.
-His tunneling in Fandorin and his potential connection with nin- finding out if he flips scum would give us some legitimate leads from these relationships. We're early game and don't have much to work with. Let's change that.
I've been thinking about Xbro a lot. Especially since a good chunk of their posts today were very defensive.
That is not what I'm saying. I pressure when I feel I'm on to something. This has been my play style in just about every mafia game I've ever been in. Not everybody has to agree with it, but it's just how I am. And I'm curious as to your definition of scum hunting. It seems pretty narrow at the moment.
No fun allowed. humph >_<
Scum:
Xbro: Coasting. Not even at 10 posts hours before the deadline
Nin: Already explained
Kalor: Gut feeling
Fandorin: Not been too active. Drops in periodically to seem active. Hasn't contributed much at all.
Lean Scum:
empressdonna: Coasting. Weak votes and weak reasoning
geno: Gut feeling again. His activity during this day phase just makes him feel scummy.
Apollo: Not been too active but active enough I can't say full on scum
Zipped: I don't even remember any posts from him. He's been that forgetful that I'm just leaning scum with him.
Neutral:
Kyan: Posting style throws me off but I'm enjoying it enough that I'm willing to put him on neutral. Nothing scummy out of him but nothing too towny I think.
dcpat: No read still on him. Might do a reread if I'm still around after today
Lean Town:
Ketkat: Feels towny enough but my gut tells me not to put them in full Town
Town:
Brazil: Every post has felt towny to me
Sweetnicole: Not as active as others but when she is active, she usually makes good informative posts and is good at pressuring people including myself. Feels very town to me.
Grizzly: Again, every post has felt towny to me. Good at scum hunting and good at challenging people.
There we go.
Absolutely bullshit, show me 1 post where I said my D1 post couldn't be interpreted as role fishing, why are you still trying to pass that as truth??? The only thing I said was the mass claim vs role fishing argument. Stop with the weak accusations.
No worse than
Complacency or cockyness. It was a very scum post :)
Shit, I forget about the mechanical Sophia
Neutral:
Sophia: Because I forgot about them. If I felt they were scum, I wouldn't have forgotten them.
Are you fucking with me right now? You literally cut my sentence in half.
"I trust that town won't lynch me" = "I wonder how town will react to someone not scared of getting lynched"
Screams of a ballsy move only a scum person would do.
Firstly, his initial claimlist was a little odd which was pointed out at the time.
It didn't really feel like a town thing to do, and felt really odd however he did do a more detailed version later on and pointed out he doesn't like doing lists.
I kept it in the back of my mind as a little bit suspicious. Nothing definitive but just a bit of a 'hmm...' moment.
The thing that made me question him a little more was the fact he had issue with me questioning Zipped about his feelings but then he went and asked ketkat to talk about Geno. That could just be the fact he feels I'm leaning too heavily on others opinion and that he wants to see more from me and better explanations.
I admit it isn't the best reasoning in the world - that is part of the reason I said I'm leaning scum rather than him being outright scum. I just can't ignore my gut reaction that something is weird, it could be absolutely nothing and just me overreading things again and it is just a townie trying to track down potential scum but I just can't ignore this voice in the back of my mind that says something is strange or odd here.
That post is extremely clear- you find the notion that your post could have been perceived as role fishing to be nonsensical. You try to twist things around to some argument involving it not being a call for a mass claim which makes it also not role fishing since it wasn't directed at someone specifically.... it's an absurd argument.
The fact is you just said that you never said that you said the idea your post could be seen as role fishing was nonsense. I've just shown a post where you say exactly this- and the second half of the sentence doesn't make this not true (if anything I perceive it as a doubling down). Yet another misrepresentation.
Still reading over Apollo. I see some light scum hunting so..
... I'm not sure I can 100% agree with this. That being said, it's pretty light, and there's an odd fixation on Geno.
I'm inclined to agree with Geno here. Cutting the sentence in half like that looks bad.
Not to defend Geno, but... that kind of arrogance doesn't really seem out of place with how he's played so far? You also left out the part where he said he'd vote for self-preservation too.
Comrade Fandorin feels really bad on a re-read. He is present day one but that presence is used to hide a lack of capitalist hunting. Then there is the Geno vote. By his own words, it was a vote to get something out of a group of communists. Reaction-baiting votes can be justified, but this cannot imo. Fandorin did not really present (the usual possible miss disclaimer pls correct) a capitalist candidate of his own, he spends the day kinda hanging around. After all that not much anything, he joins the wave the commune gave him. He was not forced to make the best of a bad situation, he let the bad situation happen and then tried to make himself look as good as possible.
VOTE: Fandorin
VOTE: Fandorin
I left that out because it seemed like something almost anyone would do.
If it's between two people, and you're one of them, you'd vote for the other person to survive. No matter town or scum, better them than you so there was no reason to pick on that specific bit.
Bad vote. I don't like you.
(And I mean it. Even Geno is not on me, are you trying to throw your vote away again?)
My stance about Bro, Stuart and Nin;
- Nin; As mentioned would not vote for him. Can't agree with the arguments made. If we'd look purely at the arguments people have votes on him for now;
Empressdonna votes Nin with gut feeling, well I do not have that gut feeling. Stuart votes Nin for being absent most of D1 before to finally contribute. Well I think that at least Nin contributed more than compared to others. Other argument made against Nin was his lack of vote and his absence at day 1 end yesterday. I fault him for not having a vote down, not for his absence. Nicole rightfully pressured him about his lack of a vote. I read his respond to that coming from a good place.
- Stuart; It's a hard-cut case for me. As much as I liked his post and vote against Nin (did not agree tho), I disliked his vote on Bro. I did not like his Bro vote because it's a prod vote, which he removed pretty quick with a townread of Bro. Now he scumreads Bro. When you do an obvvous prod vote at least leave it a little bit longer to maybe get something out of it.
I do really dislike his bro vote, townread, slightly scum read, scum read. All without Bro not around. It's possible his Bro scumread is only trying to save himself.
I also do not like his recent read list. It felt easily componed without real reasoning behind it. Also everybody except Ketkat, Brazil, Nicole and Grizzly are apparently suspicious. I have no problem lynching Stuart today.
- Xbro; Is also somebody I have no problem lynching. His day 1 started out with the mechanics talks. I don't see that as a big problem. He was also on the people suspecting Kyan for the way he was posting. Which is a thing I disliked. His unvote was easy, but understandable from a scum and town pov. Don't like his unvote at day end to avoid a tie. If I was in that position with the same concern I would change my vote from Geno to Fish, not unvote. One switch from Fish to Geno would've made it a tie with 6-4. Also he contributed to a fish lynch this way without committing to it. Coasting today.
At the moment I think Bro is the lesser of two evils.
VOTE: Stuart444
- Nin; As mentioned would not vote for him. Can't agree with the arguments made. If we'd look purely at the arguments people have votes on him for now;
Empressdonna votes Nin with gut feeling, well I do not have that gut feeling. Stuart votes Nin for being absent most of D1 before to finally contribute. Well I think that at least Nin contributed more than compared to others. Other argument made against Nin was his lack of vote and his absence at day 1 end yesterday. I fault him for not having a vote down, not for his absence. Nicole rightfully pressured him about his lack of a vote. I read his respond to that coming from a good place.
- Stuart; It's a hard-cut case for me. As much as I liked his post and vote against Nin (did not agree tho), I disliked his vote on Bro. I did not like his Bro vote because it's a prod vote, which he removed pretty quick with a townread of Bro. Now he scumreads Bro. When you do an obvvous prod vote at least leave it a little bit longer to maybe get something out of it.
I do really dislike his bro vote, townread, slightly scum read, scum read. All without Bro not around. It's possible his Bro scumread is only trying to save himself.
I also do not like his recent read list. It felt easily componed without real reasoning behind it. Also everybody except Ketkat, Brazil, Nicole and Grizzly are apparently suspicious. I have no problem lynching Stuart today.
- Xbro; Is also somebody I have no problem lynching. His day 1 started out with the mechanics talks. I don't see that as a big problem. He was also on the people suspecting Kyan for the way he was posting. Which is a thing I disliked. His unvote was easy, but understandable from a scum and town pov. Don't like his unvote at day end to avoid a tie. If I was in that position with the same concern I would change my vote from Geno to Fish, not unvote. One switch from Fish to Geno would've made it a tie with 6-4. Also he contributed to a fish lynch this way without committing to it. Coasting today.
At the moment I think Bro is the lesser of two evils.
VOTE: Stuart444
Comrade Kyan rates the shade thrown as follows: 1,468/10. My voting pattern is clearly different from yesterday, hell there was no pattern yesterday. In addition, yesterday's thrown vote was done around the final minutes of the final hour madness, this time there is over two hours on the clock. I have also clearly laid out my preferred candidates for extermination. And finally, I will use the time I have to continue the analysis further.
The two situations could hardly be any different, comrade.
...of course. The fool I am. I am shamed to admit that I was willing to believe, to some degree, the rumor that all the capitalist devours for sustenance is the currency they hoard. A fool I was. But! The audacity of the capitalist! To scrape the skin off the worker's back, to steal the work of our labors and then EAT IT.
Oh how I wish to feast on a capitalist pig.
How much do you rate the chance of your vote being on Fandorin at day end?
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
stuart444 (7 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
sweetnicole - #741
grizzly - #744
sophia - #774
geno - #811
dcpat - #839
nin (2 votes)
stuart444 - #542 #608
sweetnicole - #544 #741
stuart444 - #674
empressdonna - #748
xbro (1 votes)
grizzly - #566 #744
stuart444 - #610 #639
fandorin - #732
fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501 #811
kyanrute - #835
empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554
geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551
grizzly (0 votes)
kyanrute - #770 #835
zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
empressdonna - #657 #658
sophia (0 votes)
stuart444 - #487 #505
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
empressdonna - #658 #728
Post Counts:
grizzly: 50 geno: 35 nin: 33 kyanrute: 30 stuart444: 30 brazil: 27 sophia: 25 fandorin: 20 sweetnicole: 19 dcpat: 19 apollo: 18 empressdonna: 16 kalor: 15 ketkat: 14 zippedpinhead: 14 xbro: 8 faddy: 5
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With 16 players alive Majority is 9
Day Start
stuart444 (7 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
sweetnicole - #741
grizzly - #744
sophia - #774
geno - #811
dcpat - #839
nin (2 votes)
stuart444 - #674
empressdonna - #748
xbro (1 votes)
fandorin - #732
fandorin (1 votes)
kyanrute - #835
empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554
geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551
grizzly (0 votes)
zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
sophia (0 votes)
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
Post Counts:
grizzly: 50 geno: 35 nin: 33 kyanrute: 30 stuart444: 30 brazil: 27 sophia: 25 fandorin: 20 sweetnicole: 19 dcpat: 19 apollo: 18 empressdonna: 16 kalor: 15 ketkat: 14 zippedpinhead: 14 xbro: 8 faddy: 5
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With 16 players alive Majority is 9
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