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Astronut325

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Oct 27, 2017
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Meanwhile, a starting grid in MotoGP:

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This is not a joke btw.
Wait... what???? I haven't followed MotoGP in a while. WTF happened???
 

AlsoZ

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Oct 29, 2017
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What's going on here.

Wait... what???? I haven't followed MotoGP in a while. WTF happened???

Dude was so much faster, they had to change the rules to show just how much faster he is.

Jokes aside, everyone but the guy in front were betting on rain tyres, but before the actual race start realized conditions would be dry. During the warm-up lap they went into the pits. Instead of having everyone BUT him start from the pits as rules would dictate (a clusterfuck waiting to happen), they did this.
 

chuckddd

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How do you you give someone a stop-go penalty after the race is over? It doesn't make any sense.
 
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How do you you give someone a stop-go penalty after the race is over? It doesn't make any sense.


That's the biggest penalty (apart from disqualification), it's converted to +30 seconds on his timesheet. (Twitter spy-embedding is disabled on my PC, sorry if that's mentioned already in there, all i see is a blue bird)
 

Spades

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If I was the guy I would have demanded this. You just can't make the rules up however you want... anyway this is not a MotoGP thread so I'm not gonna bother with it any further

Man, I agree with you.

That would be like if you had tyres that were unsuitable for the race track and wanted a temporary chicane put in so you could race with the guys who did have suitable tyres!
 

Easy Rider

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If I was the guy I would have demanded this. You just can't make the rules up however you want... anyway this is not a MotoGP thread so I'm not gonna bother with it any further

Miller's team sure complained but I think they found a decent compromise that was both safe for the whole field and still gave some (small) advantage to Miller for his gamble.
 

Overdoziz

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Pretty much every time there's even something close to contact every driver calls the other driver all the awful things under the sun. All fair game.
Max blaming everything but himself is getting pretty tiring on the other hand.
 

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Final classification, post-penalties:
1 Sebastian VETTEL
2 Valtteri BOTTAS
3 Lewis HAMILTON
4 Pierre GASLY
5 Kevin MAGNUSSEN
6 Nico HULKENBERG
7 Fernando ALONSO
8 Stoffel VANDOORNE
9 Marcus ERICSSON
10 Esteban OCON
11 Carlos SAINZ
12 Charles LECLERC
13 Romain GROSJEAN
14 Lance STROLL
15 Sergey SIROTKIN
16 Sergio PEREZ
17 Brendon HARTLEY
 

Theorry

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Louis Dekker is a fucking embarrasment

Its so annoying. NOS didnt care for years about F1. Since Max they are all over it suddenly and we get indeed these kind of questions. Or stupid questions to other drivers about Max.

Pretty much every time there's even something close to contact every driver calls the other driver all the awful things under the sun. All fair game.
Max blaming everything but himself is getting pretty tiring on the other hand.

To be fair thats a racing drivers thing really. You dont hear very often from a racing driver he was at fault when there is contact haha.
 

dubc

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I just finished watching the race, great action all around!

Brundle and Crofty kept talking about Ferrari going for a 2 stop. I didn't see that ever happening, even with RAI in the race. VET was only keeping about a 5 sec gap to BOT. With a ~23 sec pit lane there was no way VET would be able to build the gap, pit, and recover.

Great hold by VET at the end. He's not known (that I am aware of) being easy on tires but he can when he needs to.

Is BOT any good? He turned it on way too late or just didn't have the ability to pass. Given how hard overtaking is in this formula I had huge doubts with 12 laps or so to go that he would be able to overtake VET. He could easily catch him, which he did, but not overtake. I guess just trying to apply pressure for VET to crack a la Canada 2011.

GAS? Honda almost on podium? wtf?!
 

SweetVermouth

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I'm watching the replay of Kimi's stop and I'm thinking:
Wouldn't it be a good idea to require a minimum stopping time? I don't remember the last season we hadn't any pit accidents and it seems like a no brainer to make the cars stand for at least 5 seconds to drastically reduce the chances of having accidents.
 
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Actually it would be quite easy to integrate a safety feature to the wheel gun that it would only send an okay after loosing and tightening the wheel nut.

Or you look at the manufacturing industry and an okay is only sent if the mechanic pushes a button which isn't part of the machine tool.
 
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Randdalf

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Do pitstops have to be done by humans?

Just had the silly idea that you could build a pitstop machine which does a guaranteed 2s pitstop, no mistakes. Would cost a fortune probably, hah.
 

AlsoZ

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Do pitstops have to be done by humans?

Just had the silly idea that you could build a pitstop machine which does a guaranteed 2s pitstop, no mistakes. Would cost a fortune probably, hah.
The regs say "No powered device may be used to lift any part of a car in the pit lane during a race."
That doesn't TECHNICALLY forbid a machine to change tyres I suppose? They still need people to lift the car though.
 

Randdalf

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The regs say "No powered device may be used to lift any part of a car in the pit lane during a race."
That doesn't TECHNICALLY forbid a machine to change tyres I suppose? They still need people to lift the car though.

If a tyre counted as part of the car then it would be forbidden, I don't know if it does though.
 

Konosuke

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Do pitstops have to be done by humans?

Just had the silly idea that you could build a pitstop machine which does a guaranteed 2s pitstop, no mistakes. Would cost a fortune probably, hah.
Why stop at that, we should replace the driver with a robot so that it only goes out after checking wheels are swapped and attached properly
 

FriskyCanuck

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In my opinion, I think there are too many mechanics in a pit crew. One person can still do the job of changing per wheel. And I'm still mystified about F1's refusal to use air jacks.
 

Psychotext

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Yeah, I'd agree with that. A limit on the number of mechanics would make the stops safer and less hectic.
 

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In my opinion, I think there are too many mechanics in a pit crew. One person can still do the job of changing per wheel. And I'm still mystified about F1's refusal to use air jacks.

They're just at the limit of how fast these stops can be. One mistake in their hghly choreographed high pressure routine can injure people or lead to a clusterfuck where they retire the car with an unsafe release.

They probably need to do something to slow them back down.
 

ODD

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They're just at the limit of how fast these stops can be. One mistake in their hghly choreographed high pressure routine can injure people or lead to a clusterfuck where they retire the car with an unsafe release.

They probably need to do something to slow them back down.
There are three guys at each wheel. One with the pneumatic pistol, one to take out the tire and another one to push the new tire. They should remove one of the tire guys, so a single person wound pull off the old tire and fit the new one. This would add 3 or 4 extra seconds to the pitstops. But not even one hundred seconds will be enough if the guy pushing the green light button is retarded. Ferrari lost a championship 10 years ago because of that:

 

sajuuk

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They're just at the limit of how fast these stops can be. One mistake in their hghly choreographed high pressure routine can injure people or lead to a clusterfuck where they retire the car with an unsafe release.

They probably need to do something to slow them back down.
indy car style of pit stop maybe, just 4 mechanics changing tyres.
 

endlessflood

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I think he would definitely be keen to go to Ferrari, because he beat the pants off of Seb last time they raced together in the same team. But Ferrari are probably pretty happy with their lineup, because Raikkonen is quick, won't smash into his teammate, and is cool with team orders. Unless Seb falls out of favour, or Raikkonen retires, I can't see it happening.

Mercedes will be very keen for Ricciardo though, because Bottas just isn't quick enough. I don't know how Ricciardo fancies his chances against Hamilton though; if he goes to Mercedes, it's as a definite number 2 driver. They'll be offering big money to try and land Ricciardo though.

As for the chances of him staying at RBR, I don't know how keen he is to keep racing with Max - it feels like Max is the favourite son there now, despite his fairly regular fuckups. If the Honda engine starts looking good though, he'll probably stay.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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So I know the result, but I can watch the race after work today. Is it worth it, or was it just a procession?

But not even one hundred seconds will be enough if the guy pushing the green light button is retarded.

Uhh. Did you really have to use that word? It's wholly unnecessary.

I actually saw someone on this forum get a warning for using that word, but I've also seen people use it and not get a warning. I guess the mods can't see everything, but it would be nice if any mods reading this would clarify things.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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It was a better race than I expected but I wouldn't say that it was because of on track action. Although, I wouldn't describe it as a procession this time around. I wasn't bored by it.

The last half of the race is "will he/won't he" style excitement. If you already know the result, then you'll know that he will/won't.

First half is good though.

Thanks. I'll stick it on for the first half and I'll watch the second half unless its a collossal bore.