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FIA Formula One 2018 |OT| Halo: Racing Evolved
- Thread starter Aiii
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I think they should bring back refueling.
It would stop many of the current pit stop issues and it would allow the drivers to push much harder on track.
Was Jos Verstappen the last major refuelling accident in F1, or were there later ones?
Williams not last in the race after all, surely there will be some celebrations.
It depends on what you consider major.
There have been plenty of small fires and mechanics being thrown to the ground, but I don't think anybody went to hospital in the final decade of refueling.
Only we used to get fuel hoses trailing down the pitlane and still got loose wheels.
If they want to being back refuelling then they need to do something else to slow them down further so that the car can never leave with the hose attached and flailing down the pitlane with fire everywhere or pulling the fuel man with it and under the wheel.
I'm all for the cars being lighter and changing up the strategy a bit again but it needs to be done correctly. In cases like this weekend it would have meant that Ferrari probably would have fueled Vettel for a 2 stop and he'd have needed to come in anyway even if the tyres were fine.
This is exactly the kind of area where old F1 would react overnight and introduce some more wacky races bullshit to "fix" the problem. What it needs is a calm decision taken after actual thought, hell, test it with their f1 gaming thing, that's what they said they wanted to do with rule changes.
The only thing you can really do is like FE did and have a mandatory minimum so that no driver could leave without being properly strapped back in.
Maybe a Mandatory minimum of a 4 second stop, and that the car can't move for 1sec after the hose is released. More than enough time for these guys to change 4 tyres in a safer fashion.
At the end of the day, the question is still why did Ferraris system say he was good to go. If the same thing happens mid refuel then the driver is going to launch just the same. No artificial delays are going to stop that.
Introduce a switch in the fuel collar that disables the throttle... and watch cars not pull away as it gets stuck on lol.
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So what's happened with the Honda engine? Did Gasly just drive the wheels off the car is is there real potential in it now?
Will be interesting next race to see if it continues.
Will be interesting next race to see if it continues.
By all accounts what it lacks in reliability and power, it makes up for in driveability. Plus Gasly was amazing this weekend (made Hartley look more normal than usual).
Gasly should be good fun to watch around Monaco.
EDIT: Just saw the clip above. Class by Seb. And utterly true.
Not a fan of football comparisons plus Hamilton didn't say that in his car in the heat of the moment but after the race ended.
Also, Vettel anticipating his own defense as he's probably the guy with the worst anger management problems in the grid.
Does he remember the time he rammed another car in anger yet?
It's cool how even when he says a right thing we gotta go into fanboy defense mode. Drivers say all kinds of stupid shit during and after the race. Hell, we do, and we feel like 1/100th of the adrenaline rush they feel. Verstappen's move was needlessly aggressive so early in the race, but that's to be expected from him unfortunately for the rest of the drivers. That move could have ended both drivers' race and possibly already deal a near-killing blow to Hamilton's championship, who could have been trailing by 32 points now if he also gets a puncture or the front wing breaks. The fact Vettel also had questionable moves in his career (who didn't?) shouldn't mean he's wrong when he's in fact very right.
Especially since Mercedes has the faster car and bad luck will swing both ways.
I agree with Vettel BTW
You're still watching are you? I've turned off now as it's season over. Grats Seb on #5
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Yeah, I'm exaggerating a bit, but Vettel's point of view makes perfect sense. You can't just make a fuss about every single time a driver says something mean, because it's obvious they do so continously during and after the race. Remember Vettel's beep-fest after Kvyat's "vengeance" crash in Sochi? Montoya's famous "fucking Raikkonen, what a fucking idiot"? Except nobody cared about those things because it's drivers being drivers. Why would a serious media make a fuss about Hamilton calling another driver names? As it it wouldn't have happened the other way around. Vettel's right.
Why race 7 races at 90% performance, when you can race 1 race at 98%.
Honda saying f. this, let's just blow through 12 engines this season, but get good performances. Sounds most logical in my opinion.
If that's the case, yep, it makes sense. It's not like you have much difference between running 13th, 17th or retired, may as well go balls out in a couple races and collect points, while you harvest penalties in the races you'd suck at anyway to prepare your engines for the races where you could do well.
Is this an assumption or we have actual sources claiming Honda turned it on and deliberately sacrificed reliability for performance?
Don't Renault have the engine turned down slightly for the early part of the season though? If they do and Honda know they're probably going to have reliability issues regardless then it would make sense to try and maximize gains now.
I mean, they won't be able to finish on 3 engines anyway, may as well collect penalties here and there and try and do well where they can. This 4th place was insane, it would still have been 7th with Red Bulls and Raikkonen delivering, which is still best of the rest.
So did Vettel have his control electronics changed or not? I heard smth about it and if he did: Is there a potential grid penalty coming for him?
He's on his second of 2 allowed, so yeah. Unless the second one lasts to the end of the year and/or they can repair and reuse the first one somehow. Not sure about the regulations there.
For Honda, this season is about developing the engine at breakneck speed. They're with Toro Rosso because it means they can go balls out with no thought towards results (or penalties).
If they thought it was benefitting their engine program, I'm sure they'd happily change their engine after every race.
I, for one, am looking forward to witnessing Toro Rosso overtake everyone on the straights with ease by Mexico.
holy crap that Ferrari mechanic running down with the coolers and everyone waving at him to get the fuck outta the way
As far as I can tell you are defending Vettel but I'm genuinely confused about which driver was I defending. About the word fanboy I think we are all better off without using such stupid terms, but it's only my opinion.
More than Mercedes. Fuel effinciency is too important in F1 right now. Anyway i think Merc will win in China.
Expecting Merc to win is a pretty viable assumption assuming nothing strange happens. But as the last two races showed, strange things do happen.
It's funny how perspectives work. ;)
Verstappen made a move on the number one driver in the field, that early in a race. How can you complain about that? I watch racing for stuff like that.
Hamilton should have conceded that corner earlier anyway, he lost but was too stubborn to admit.
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It seemed very much a racing incident to me, and to pretty much everyone in the paddock except some shit stirring journalists. Verstappen was side-by-side before the corner, and ahead in the corner, was caught out by the earlier braking McLaren, but avoided him.
Passed that two things should have happened that did not, Verstappen should have left a bit more room, but was probably expecting Lewis to yield. And Lewis should have yielded by just taking a bit of that run off area. It was a dick measuring move forward the both of them, that much is clear. A racing incident. I don't see why anyone finds it necessary to point fingers in this case, unless there's an ulterior reason to do so.
As for Lewis making comments on immaturity and Verstappen commenting that if the roles were reserved he would expect Lewis to complain, they are both just playing a bit of mind games. Lewis wants to let Max know he is a kid and can't beat the older experienced driver. And Max wants Lewis to know that he'll go for the gap whether Lewis yields or not, his choice. They are playing the game.
Passed that two things should have happened that did not, Verstappen should have left a bit more room, but was probably expecting Lewis to yield. And Lewis should have yielded by just taking a bit of that run off area. It was a dick measuring move forward the both of them, that much is clear. A racing incident. I don't see why anyone finds it necessary to point fingers in this case, unless there's an ulterior reason to do so.
As for Lewis making comments on immaturity and Verstappen commenting that if the roles were reserved he would expect Lewis to complain, they are both just playing a bit of mind games. Lewis wants to let Max know he is a kid and can't beat the older experienced driver. And Max wants Lewis to know that he'll go for the gap whether Lewis yields or not, his choice. They are playing the game.
The problem is that the fun ends too soon when this happens. It's disappointing to see a driver that has the potential of delivering an entertaining race, dnf at the first few laps.
Also I see no reason for Lewis to have yielded, he stayed right at the edge of the track.