Reddit CEO says racism is permitted on the platform, and users are up in arms
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I didn't ask for all that, I asked you for a link to your educational sub.
Surely the average T_D user is up for healthy debate. After all, it should be the job of minorities to discuss our humanity.
it's the most hilariously blatant illustration about how much these communities value "debate" outside of an excuse to spew racist bile to the widest possible crowd
why can't we educate them on stormfront then - surely they would feel more comfortable having these debates in their enclave?
What a fucked up comment , as long as that shit stays out of the front pages I'll still use Reddit but if it spreads I'll have to stop.
This gif always makes me irrationally angry for some reason.
Reddit keeps showing everyone who it is and yet it still retains its popularity. I find that troubling.
Considering they don't bother me because I completely ignore them, that's not my job. But considering that I work part time in education, I would say I'm doing my part. You shut these people down there just going to create a more toxic environment somewhere else and have more justification that their views are correct. They consider themselves martyrs. They're a complete lost cause. But their children aren't. My job is to make sure their children aren't complete and total douche bags and they grow up.
Banning racism on Reddit will lead to school shootings?
Ohhhhhhhhhhh kay then. BOY.
I mean, they want me out of the country even though I was born here, because of the color of my skin they'll probably assume I'm Muslim and therefore automatically bad, because I lean left they probably think I'm a fan of crooked Hilary (EMAILS!), whenever I decide to discuss something I'm "triggered" or a "snowflake" or a "libtard", and for some reason they always assume I'm on a mission from Deepstate, whatever the fuck that is. It's impossible to even discuss with some of these people. They want one thing, and one thing only. You out of their beloved country that was stolen form Native Americans and built on immigration and slavery.
Of course it should! This should be a marketplace of ideas, ideas that can and will always be debated in good faith! By the way have you guys heard about this video that says that non white people are inferior? I mean, I don't believe it but it does ask some very interesting questions, also serious though guys, seriously? It's okay to be white, I mean the liberal hive mind on here gets mad when I say it, but it's okay to be white, and it's okay for other ideas to exist guys, why are you guys so afraid of different but equally valid ideas? /s
By the way, I love that (for some reason) people just can't see the ways in which deplatforming might work. "So wait, you're telling me that if we stop giving bigots the ability to spread racist propaganda to millions of people, then that might somehow lessen the impact and reach of hate speech? I dunno guys, I just don't know."
Is that what you really got from that? I was obviously creating a worst-case scenario. Racists Have a cultist mentality.
Read every link in this thread that shows blatant proof about the effectiveness of deplatforming.
Literally the most simple thought process possible.
So you're not doing shit? If it's not your job to educate them who are you suggesting should?
I am also beyond shocked that racism doesn't bother you.
yeah because those outlets prevent racism. those outlets certainly do not propagate racism and desperate extremist views. /s
/r/ImGoingToHellForThis posts make it to the front page multiple times a week, and are very often contain racism.
if people cared about having good-faith discussions about the humanity of minority groups, i wouldn't have to, for example, ram the text of bill c-16 down their throat to stop people from opposing an anti-discrimination amendment on the basis of ludicrous claims debunked by having a grade school reading level
most people are not having these discussions in good faith, and so we can have these discussions in the depths of their enclaves
this post isn't in reference to anyone in particular because i've had to debunk that shit so many times across the blogosphere that i've lost the ability to distinguish genuine from bullshit questions about it
most people are not having these discussions in good faith, and so we can have these discussions in the depths of their enclaves
this post isn't in reference to anyone in particular because i've had to debunk that shit so many times across the blogosphere that i've lost the ability to distinguish genuine from bullshit questions about it
I grew up in a small-ish town in Texas. I got in fights because of the color of my skin.
I've cut ties with "friends" after years of trying to "educate" them. In one instance of this, I was told, "I don't hate minorities because they keep me employed." The dude that said this is a cop.
I've had to explain to people why being called, "one of the good ones" is not a compliment, only to be told to take it for what it is and to, "stop being offended." Even though I really wasn't; it was just a dumb statement and I called them on it.
Racists know they're racist. It's rarely, if ever, born from ignorance. They do not want to argue in good faith because racism is not a position that can be argued in good faith.
The insistence of those on the left to argue in good faith with people who do not want to argue in good faith is one of several ways the left hinders itself.
Trust me, I'm well aware that racism isn't going anywhere. I don't think deplatforming racists is a cure all either but it would help.
It was just a suggestion. Unless some of you want to join me and start up a program.
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Just saw your edit. Don't mince my words because you're pissed off at the assholes that are at the forefront of this topic. I was just offering a suggestion but if you want to make me the villain in this whole thing instead of the fucking racists go for it. It will make you feel better, you can get some sleep tonight. Get me banned, pull out your torches, let the assholes laugh as we hang each other.
Waiting for the "you must be racist, too" bit. You got that in you yet or should we wait for a few responses?
To be honest, your post was totally void of substance. The crux of your post was educate them since nothing else helps, while multiple people in this very thread have pointed out that deplatforming works way better than educating. I asked the one poster who was banned this question and I'll ask it you. Do you really think humankind hasn't tried educating racists in the past and here we are, in the year 2018, a CEO of a huge website saying racism is fine and dandy?
Yeah man we should prevent school shootings by ignoring online communities where school shooters are lauded as heroes and martyrs
This is really creepy because that's literally what gaf turned into after we all left. Remember, bigotry is never ok until it starts to effect the bottom line, then we need to allow other's 'opinions' to flourish.
I like how he claims they closed down certain subreddits after creating controversy for them.
See shaming fat people or taking panty shots of underage girls was OK, but once they went past this arbitrary line, no bueno
They always act afterwards, after shit hits the fan, never before
Nothing preemptive, always after the downfall, due to bad publicity, then change is warranted
See shaming fat people or taking panty shots of underage girls was OK, but once they went past this arbitrary line, no bueno
They always act afterwards, after shit hits the fan, never before
Nothing preemptive, always after the downfall, due to bad publicity, then change is warranted
Lately you got people on here, the crazy liberal hivemind, entertaining the idea that scientific proof non-whites are inherently less intelligent than whites is an inevitable discovery to prepare for and people are clutching pearls about maybe cutting down on the racism at reddit
Some of this shit could be stopped by sitting down with your friends and family yourselves instead of demanding we do it then getting pissy when we say ENOUGH
Some of this shit could be stopped by sitting down with your friends and family yourselves instead of demanding we do it then getting pissy when we say ENOUGH
Seeing as you aren't doing a damn thing, it is clear that it was just a suggestion but I want to know who you think should be educating them? The people on the receiving end of their racism and bigotry?
I still vividly remember the day reddit had that post upvoted to the very top that was a video of some guy teaching a bunch of poor native Africans how to say "The OP is a faggot" in English. They literally had no idea what they were saying, which of course made it all the more funny to reddit.
Not my front page it's mostly just the stuff I sub to , popular and all are where that shit happens
Of course my post was void of substance, I was just throwing out an option. I have to deal with grown adults treating young people of color with the most extreme of prejudice, disguising themselves as wholesome human beings all fucking day long. I was saying is let them rot in their own little corner because you're never going to fix the issue unless you can educate them. But my words are being interpreted the way people want to see them due to the fact that I did not enunciate or provide context.
Replace the word Reddit with Internet and you're getting closer. Racists can go build their own platform from scratch on the internet. No one's preventing that. But them having access to Reddit better amplifies their terrible views compared to some dump they all hole up in that no one else is already browsing anyway.
Second, they're not interested in being educated. Go try that at t_d.
Great post.
It makes plenty angry, including me. The gif comes from the video where he defended Jontron after Jontron had a debate with Destiny on Twitch where Jontron espoused some very racist views and talked of gene pools and eugenics.
And for the record Bengraven , I HAVE educated people in real life when they are racist. I almost always call that shit out. I make sure they're aware what is so wrong about it.
It's really not our job to coddle racist internet trolls, who post behind the veil of anonymity, and with out fear, since they don't have a physical person looking at them in the eyes.
It's really not our job to coddle racist internet trolls, who post behind the veil of anonymity, and with out fear, since they don't have a physical person looking at them in the eyes.
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The front page was always shit when I used the site, I remember weekly pedophile apologia, racism, or videos of women getting hit (always with the ever hilarious "equal lefts for equal rights" comment and a long discussion on how the woman is a bitch)
How could anyone here do that when they've all said they've sworn off Reddit or deleted their accounts!
As much as I appreciate that a large portion of ERA was able to so quickly mobilize and move somewhere else, we're also a collective of generally like-minded people. And we had the fortune of basically having benefactors almost 1:1 replicate another website with the implied agreement that most of us would transition over.
We're also small potatoes compared to Reddit. I don't want to say Reddit's a "too big to fail" thing cause that sounds fuckin' dumb in the context of an online social media website, but you're not going to convince one of the world's largest communities made up of a collection of much more segmented and disparate communities to just "not go there anymore" cause the internet overall ain't that principled. Maybe one day we'll get some lightning-in-the-bottle catalyst that forces a tide of change, but until then, you can't really give anyone or even any singular community shit for not just packing their bags and leaving one of the world's largest hubs for information.
The only thing that most people can realistically do at the moment if they really want change is to shout down the management and try to kneecap them with their sponsors/advertisers.
You actually didn't answer my question, but I'll let that slide for now. Follow up though, you say we should educate the racists. Sure. How would you propose we do that? Because as long as you're saying people should educate them but not actually providing any way of doing that, you're just shifting the blame off of the racists and on to the shoulders of people who don't condone that.
I think too it's worth considering that you aren't always dealing with 'born and raised' racists in the sense that it's just part of their upbringing. There is something to be said for the fact that a lot of times these ideals linked to hatred and bigotry take root in people who are struggling in some other way; taking advantage of a weakness or suffering by giving them an outlet to direct their anger to or someone to 'blame'.
More platforms make it easier to find and condition those folks, make it easier to validate and a lot of times accelerate that hate and bigotry.
I read this article the other day, about a (liberal) family trying to cope with their increasingly extremist white supremacist son. The whole thing is sad and tough, but I was struck by the part where the kid gets online and digs deeper and deeper into the rhetoric: (on Facebook no less)
The idea that giving them more platforms somehow opens up the opportunity to 'educate' them or somehow makes it less likely that someone will have their hate and bigotry validated and grow just is not reasonable or logical. These people are not here to debate and learn. They are looking to spread, to influence and nurture any inherent biases in people who may be at a point where they are more vulnerable.
More platforms make it easier to find and condition those folks, make it easier to validate and a lot of times accelerate that hate and bigotry.
I read this article the other day, about a (liberal) family trying to cope with their increasingly extremist white supremacist son. The whole thing is sad and tough, but I was struck by the part where the kid gets online and digs deeper and deeper into the rhetoric: (on Facebook no less)
The idea that giving them more platforms somehow opens up the opportunity to 'educate' them or somehow makes it less likely that someone will have their hate and bigotry validated and grow just is not reasonable or logical. These people are not here to debate and learn. They are looking to spread, to influence and nurture any inherent biases in people who may be at a point where they are more vulnerable.
Man I do love a good "I'm a victim" whinefest.
You offered idiocy and who is trying to get you banned I asked you a question multiple times and you have done nothing but dance around it. But hey, you're the real victim here.
Also, I am far from pissed. What exactly was incorrect about my edit? You wrote racists don't bother you, did you not?
Free speech extremists are so ridiculously naive and unknowingly siding with oppressors.
I don't think you give them enough credit, it's hardly unknowing. They've been told this before, repeatedly. We're not telling them anything new. They know exactly what they're doing.
"Someone should educate them, not me because I'm not bothered by racists, but someone should."Free speech extremists are so ridiculously naive and unknowingly siding with oppressors.
Uh huh so if bigots' speech is banned, we get school shooters. Ok, enjoy the educating, teacher. It's never going to be a small tiny spot on the internet, many racists exist and they will flock to it and non-racists will view it with shock and keep on talking about that obscure corner.
And if liberals fight fire with fire then centrists attack them for being as bad as them, that we should be civil and teach like you believe in.
They know, they are simply ok with it.Free speech extremists are so ridiculously naive and unknowingly siding with oppressors.
A website with millions of user does not want to spend more money towards moderating hate speech or racism because they personally don't care as much about it as their profit.
Sounds like a popular social media website alright.
Sounds like a popular social media website alright.