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Crocodile

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would have more faith in this except
  • The messaging for this has been all over the place. Earlier Trump wanted to pull all troops out of Syria, then he wanted to do some sort of mega-strike. Now we have I guess a medium strike? Mattis said this is a one time shot but earlier we had reporting this would be a continued campaign. This flip-floping isn't filling me with confidence (putting aside I wouldn't trust Trump to hold my change LOL).
  • Sure is nice to do this now in the midst of one of the most scandal-filled Fridays in this Presidency (i.e. "Wag the Dog").
  • If Trump LEGIT cared about the plight of the Syrian people, he'd be letting Syrian refugees into the US. The fact that he isn't tells me he doesn't really care about what's going on. There is no moral cause here.
  • I'm 99% sure this is illegal without Congressional approval. It's fine if you don't care of course but that does kind of matter.
Like those going on about "OMG WWIII" were being silly. But "I guess Trump is good now" takes are pretty bad too.
 

Opto

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Oct 28, 2017
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I do expect US forces are not going to be tolerated anymore in Syria, even if they're there "just to fight ISIS"
 

Kitad

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Feb 15, 2018
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Wtf is this?

We always rail against Trump supporters' flimsy/non-existent political stances, and how their opinions are only reactionary in nature to Liberals.

Don't do this shit.

If you don't know how to feel, read a couple of articles about it. Don't run over to Breitbart and get excited that they're upset. That's ridiculous.


Nonsense, if his approval rating goes down or his base of support gets weaker, then that's a great thing and something I like to pay attention to

Also, it seems you read one post of a long discussion and assumed I don't have a position about this. I do have a position. Its of support of the strikes.
 

TouchOfGray

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Oct 25, 2017
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By far the most embarrassing thread I've ever had the displeasure of reading in a very long time.

I hope all you fear mongers get very little sleep tonight.
 

kristoffer

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Oct 23, 2017
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Yeah, at this point the argument that we've seen what "do nothing" does, so try the other option is completely reasonable.
It was perfectly reasonable to predict what someone would do if nobody was enforcing the Geneva convention. I think a do nothing approach would normally be paired with the hope that the conflict would end quickly. But Obama prolonged the conflict by arming militia groups! Obama was a victim of trying to overcome the "Washington playbook" as he called it but still remaining true to American values. Then again, what was the post-Iraq president going to do? Just one of those lessons, I guess.
 

Chalfonts

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Apr 3, 2018
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That a foreign policy based upon airstrikes and denying entry into our country for refugees isn't about helping the Syrian people.

It helps them a little bit

At the end of the day they're living on borrowed time. Their slow, painful deaths are inevitable and the "world powers" who were so quick to rush into iraq to find imaginary weapons will do fuck all because of russia

This at least gives them more time
 

Avitus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yes, because Russia's response isn't troubling. Quite the calm demeanor you have in the face of Russia saying our attacks won't go without retribution.

This has happened numerous times before. It is completely routine. It is only surprising or alarming to people that never pay attention to this sort of thing.
 

Venom

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Oct 25, 2017
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So many weird, tin foil trump haters here who I thought were decent people who could rationalise thoughts without automatically throwing conspiracies around.

Now see, nearly everyone including me hates Trump but when you start spewing shite around like some of the stuff in this thread I don't think you'll ever be taken seriously again in any context of any thread. Some of you need to chill and the k before posting. You're not children, you're grown adults however hard that is to believe.

These strikes were absolutely necessary by US, France and UK. I'm personally glad as a British citizen that Teresa May decided to go ahead because we needed to take action against people willing to use weapons of mass destruction against their own fellow men, women and children.
 
Honestly something dramatic will have to take place for this to happen such as a lost war vs the us directly or a complete shift in the people in powers view on what america should be doing.
Nah, doesn't have to be dramatic. Iraq and Afghanistan are losses for the US. It'll just be bleed dry. I mean look now. There's so little investment in the country itself, all the money goes to welfare for corporations and the military. It's unsustainable. It's like a bubble that is waiting to burst. It will take awhile but it will pop.
 

Deleted member 18161

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Peel the onion. Ask yourself what's making you anxious, and then make a rational decision about whether or not it makes sense to be truly anxious/afraid. I'll walk this one through for you:

1. Trump is bombing Syria
a. Russia will retaliate and drag the U.S. and its allies into a greater war
i. There will be massive attacks on both sides, World War III
A. I or people I love will die

That's a pretty easy anxious thought train to fall into. To combat it, challenge these anxious assumptions:


1. Trump is bombing Syria

Yep, this is factual. It's actually happening. But it's not wholesale slaughter of civilians, it's targeting of Syria's ability to launch chemical attacks. Unfortunately there will be civilian casualties.

a. Russia will retaliate and drag the U.S. and its allies into a greater war

This is highly unlikely. The stakes for Russia are too high to warrant entering into direct conflict with the U.S. and/or its allies. All parties involved have no interest in a large war. I doubt they believe they could win, either. The U.S. and Russia have been saber-rattling for decades with no large conflicts.

i. There will be massive attacks on both sides, World War III

Again, it's very unlikely this will go beyond a few isolated strikes. The past century's history indicates this.

A. I or people I love will die

Since this is going to stay yet another conflict prosecuted by the U.S. far from home, the only ones who will die will be the unfortunate Syrians caught in the crossover. Whoever wins, they're the ones that really lose.

So the ones you should really be sad and worried for are the Syrians. Nobody else is getting hurt.

An an extremely anxious person. Thank you for this.
 

Owl

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are members of our community affected by these events. Do not downplay them as unworthy of worry. Thank you.
Honestly whether it affects members here or not, there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people in Syria that this affects. It shouldn't be taken lightly whether you think these bombings are needed or not.
 

Muffin

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Oct 26, 2017
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So many weird, tin foil trump haters here who I thought were decent people who could rationalise thoughts without automatically throwing conspiracies around.

Now see, nearly everyone including me hates Trump but when you start spewing shite around like some of the stuff in this thread I don't think you'll ever be taken seriously again in any context of any thread. Some of you need to chill and the k before posting. You're not children, you're grown adults however hard that is to believe.

These strikes were absolutely necessary by US, France and UK. I'm personally glad as a British citizen that Teresa May decided to go ahead because we needed to take action against people willing to use weapons of mass destruction against their own fellow men, women and children.
How about you actually address people and their arguments instead of vaguely calling people thinking these strikes wont help crazy and voicing your support?
 

game-biz

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Oct 25, 2017
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So many weird, tin foil trump haters here who I thought were decent people who could rationalise thoughts without automatically throwing conspiracies around.

Now see, nearly everyone including me hates Trump but when you start spewing shite around like some of the stuff in this thread I don't think you'll ever be taken seriously again in any context of any thread. Some of you need to chill and the k before posting. You're not children, you're grown adults however hard that is to believe.

These strikes were absolutely necessary by US, France and UK. I'm personally glad as a British citizen that Teresa May decided to go ahead because we needed to take action against people willing to use weapons of mass destruction against their own fellow men, women and children.
Yep, well said. A lot of embarrassing comments in this thread.
 

Dizagaox

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Feb 26, 2018
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Unless there's a US airline flying over Ukraine, Russia ain't doing shit. I support this operation though Trump is not the one who should be leading it.
 
So many weird, tin foil trump haters here who I thought were decent people who could rationalise thoughts without automatically throwing conspiracies around.

Now see, nearly everyone including me hates Trump but when you start spewing shite around like some of the stuff in this thread I don't think you'll ever be taken seriously again in any context of any thread. Some of you need to chill and the k before posting. You're not children, you're grown adults however hard that is to believe.

These strikes were absolutely necessary by US, France and UK. I'm personally glad as a British citizen that Teresa May decided to go ahead because we needed to take action against people willing to use weapons of mass destruction against their own fellow men, women and children.
I don't agree with you at all. In fact, I vehemently disagree. But I respect this point of view. Only thing I ask is you apply it FAIRLY. So if ever there is a situation where any of these three use chemical weapons (the US was the last ones to use them), you be equally outraged.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Nonsense, if his approval rating goes down or his base of support gets weaker, then that's a great thing and something I like to pay attention to

Also, it seems you read one post of a long discussion and assumed I don't have a position about this. I do have a position. Its of support of the strikes.
Ok, I actually apologize for assuming you don't have a position, and yes I jumped into a longer discussion. My bad.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Yea russia is just gonna bomb paris new york and london.

No, ww3 not happening. At worst, allies will be told to leave syria. If they dont, then you can worry
 

Avitus

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Mind to share an example? I'd love to read more.

I don't know.. let me see here... oh how about this exact same scenario one year ago?

Russia warned on Friday that U.S. cruise missile strikes on a Syrian air base could have "extremely serious" consequences, as President Donald Trump's first major foray into a foreign conflict opened up a rift between Moscow and Washington.

The warships USS Porter and USS Ross in the Mediterranean Sea launched dozens of Tomahawk missiles that hit the airstrip, aircraft and fuel stations of Shayrat air base, which the Pentagon says was involved in a chemical weapons attack this week.

Like are you genuinely trying to catch me in a moment or what? There are always "consequences" or "repercussions" for things that are "unacceptable." This is the routine game geopolitical powers play.
 
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