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Jerm411

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,034
Clinton, MO
Dwight who helped them stop Negan Dwight who had a redemption arc. Eugene who saved all their lives. You can be as mad as you want, but none of that came out of nowhere.

That said, I don't like Eugene surviving, but whatever.

Ha I ain't mad...I'm just not gonna swallow the stupidity this show brings when it makes no sense.

Nothing about this show makes any sense at all any more....
 

cLOUDo

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,188
Yeah, nothing of that make sense
But at least the next season will be "different"
The walking dead: Civil War
 

breadtruck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
593
I thought for sure this was going to go into next season. Im shocked the war actually finished. I was shocked Eugene redeemed himself. I actually didnt see that coming.

Im glad they kept Negan alive. He's didnt get killed off in the comics (Im only partially aware of the comic storyline,) and JDM is too good to kill off anyways.

That ending with Jesus, Maggie, and Darrel was confusing. Now they bad guys huh?
 

Spectromixer

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
16,665
USA
Heading home from the theater. All in all, I really enjoyed watching the two episodes on the big screen. Thoughts and observations:

  • Eugene causing the Saviors' guns to backfire was amazing. I'm really glad he pulled through in the end; the whole theater cheered when that happened. Also, the punch from Rosita was completely deserved.
  • For a moment, I was really worried they were going to kill Negan. I know how things went in the comics, but for a second it seemed like they weren't going to spare him.
  • Maggie, Daryl, and (especially) Jesus plotting behind Rick's and Michonne's backs seems really strange to me. I'm not necessarily against it depending on how things play out, but it was just unexpected for me. I'm interested in seeing how that plays out.
  • Half of the theater cleared out once Fear began, which is a damn shame. That was a really good premiere.
  • There were a TON of commercials, trailers, and behind-the-scenes stuff for Fear before the whole thing started. They really wanted people to give the show a chance.

Did you get your poster? They actually look pretty nice.

Also, at the end of the theater screening, Christ Hardwick told everyone to get home in time for Talking Dead but not to text and drive.
 

Lukar

Unshakable Resolve - Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,428
Did you get your poster? They actually look pretty nice.

Also, at the end of the theater screening, Christ Hardwick told everyone to get home in time for Talking Dead but not to text and drive.
Yup! I'm surprised at the quality, it doesn't feel cheap. It also looks nice imo. Definitely gonna put it on the wall at some point.

And yeah, the bit with Hardwick felt weird even aside from that. Very abrupt.
 

DarkWish

Member
Oct 27, 2017
449
Virginia
I thought that the theatrical screenings were supposed to be commercial-free?
It was. They just had 30 mins of commercials and interviews and stuff before it all started. It was actually kind of annoying because I got sick of seeing some of the same scenes in commercials over and over. But once the shows started it was commercial free which was great.
 

Prologue

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
781
I don't buy the rebellion from Maggie, Jesus and D. Laughable really and writers should be ashamed. Jesus has been preaching peace this entire season. And D let Dwight go lol.

I think I might remove that bit subconsciously and just allow this episode to be my series finale because it seems things are going to get weird.

What about all those old man Rick scenes? Nothing was made from that?
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,512
Thanks Maggie scene was the dumbest shit this show has pulled. Good ending to the season and then they add that crap in there? Seriously?
 

Samenamenick

Banned
Nov 20, 2017
932
Manchester, NH
It was. They just had 30 mins of commercials and interviews and stuff before it all started. It was actually kind of annoying because I got sick of seeing some of the same scenes in commercials over and over. But once the shows started it was commercial free which was great.

So I got dragged to this (I kid, I kid, just never watched a full ep of either show before today) by my Walking Dead fangirl gf. After the third time I saw the same clips, was like...this is ridiculous, lol

Anyway, being more or less a WD virgin, I liked the FTWD episode better; makes sense now that I know most of the folks were new. Likable characters, especially the gunslinger fella. Also, Jenna Elfman! I may very well check it out next week...
 

BizzyBum

Member
Oct 26, 2017
9,158
New York
I don't buy the rebellion from Maggie, Jesus and D. Laughable really and writers should be ashamed. Jesus has been preaching peace this entire season.

I just don't see why Maggie doesn't just off Negan in the middle of the night or whatever while he's in his cell. Lots of people want Negan dead, no one would know who did it.

What about all those old man Rick scenes? Nothing was made from that?

That was just Carl's dream depiction of a possible peaceful future where at the time we were believing it was Rick's.

For the amount of build up they spent on Oceanside, the payoff was very little.

Yeah, very much came as an afterthought.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI

dyst

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,461
The episode was just frustrating for many reasons.

1. Negan fake death
2. Maggie splinter
3. "All Out War", is a tiny battle
4. Oceanside such an afterthought
5. No one dies for sucha build up.

I mean seriously. The same freaking cast is back next year. Some of the known actors should have taken a dip in this war but now we have to once again deal with the cry baby priest, the wuss Eugine, Rosita the angry tough girl and the indecisive Tara just to name a few.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
24,586
The episode was just frustrating for many reasons.

1. Negan fake death
2. Maggie splinter
3. "All Out War", is a tiny battle
4. Oceanside such an afterthought
5. No one dies for sucha build up.

I mean seriously. The same freaking cast is back next year. Some of the known actors should have taken a dip in this war but now we have to once again deal with the cry baby priest, the wuss Eugine, Rosita the angry tough girl and the indecisive Tara just to name a few.
Um, dont think anyone can call Eugene a wuss after today.
 

jwk94

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,426
Did you call the trash lady old? That actress is in her 30s.


Or are you talking about the Merle Streep look alike that sold documents ?
The one with the documents and knowledge in her head.

I don't buy the rebellion from Maggie, Jesus and D. Laughable really and writers should be ashamed. Jesus has been preaching peace this entire season. And D let Dwight go lol.

I think I might remove that bit subconsciously and just allow this episode to be my series finale because it seems things are going to get weird.

What about all those old man Rick scenes? Nothing was made from that?
Jesus aside, what's laughable about it? Should Maggie and Daryl be OK with letting Negan live? And why would Daryl kill Dwight?
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

Are we human or are we dancer?
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,931
It's the big epic war of the entire show... where nobody dies after Negan's debut except a bunch of red shirts, Sasha offing herself and Carl getting munched by a random roaming walker he should have just ignored. Oh and I guess the CGI tiger died, too.

And yet it was significantly more eventful than in the comics!
 

Sweeney Swift

User Requested Ban
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,743
#IStandWithTaylor
lol if they think anyone will consider Maggie or fucking Darryl a villain in an argument or split with Rick. Comedy option is them ending the next season with him killing either of them because What a Twist, but they didn't even have the balls to have Negan die of a badly-slit throat, so at least there's no realistic chance of that
 

aspiegamer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
10,462
ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
I am pretty bummed that freaking no one died. The only notable deaths this season were 1) Carl, who nobody actually misses, and 2) the lieutenant that people liked the most. For a war that seemed to kill like 75% of the misc civilians at the allied settlements we sure don't have much to show for it. They even redeemed Eugene but didn't give a redemption death that would have made people care about him for more than 2 seconds again.

Rick slicing Negan's throat was so cold and brutal and awesome, which made it even more ridiculous that he survived. What's stopping Maggie or anyone else from killing him in his sleep or something, anyway?
also Negan didn't have his carotid artery cut so he lives
Never mind the gratuitous amount of blood and his inability to breathe or speak properly. Ugh. So horrible.
can't wait, all because Carl never wrote Maggie a letter
I like this theory.
 

Stiler

Avenger
Oct 29, 2017
6,659
Is Maggie still Pregnant? Like it legit feels like they just "dropped" that whole aspect and forgot about it.

The ending was absurd, especially having Jesus there after everything he talks about and stands up for, not wanting Morgan to kill anyone and then he has that meeting with Maggie? It's like the writers don't give a shit about characters or following their personalities.

The whole "battle" was very anti-climatic, this show has already had some of the most weird awkwardly paced "battle" scenes in a big tv show, I mean it is like they have no decent cinematographer or battle choreographer to give things any semblance of a real battle or suspense to it, like how many times people don't take cover, or even know how to hold their weapons or anything. It ends up feeling like a bad fan-made "cosplay" battle scene rather then a well budgeted tv show that should have people that know how to film that kind of thing.

Also was it just me, or did this season feel like they REALLY threw in way too many monologues? I mean who talks like that? It was like every other scene was just a character spouting exposition for the audience and reading from a book instead of actually having a human conversation.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Some thoughts.

- The scene where the crew was supposed to apparently see a herd of walkers in the distance. I had no idea what that was and apparently, other viewers had no idea either. That was so poorly shown to the audience.

- The guns firing off in the Saviors' faces was satisfying but also kind of laughable. Like... so many people shot their guns, some after others clearly died.

- The Maggie/Daryl turn might be one of the dumbest things this show has ever done. If Daryl truly felt that way, then he would have also killed Dwight. The two decisions don't match up. These characters are not being written with any sort of cohesiveness. And obviously Jesus isn't really going to go along with it because that would be completely out of character. It's honestly hard to put into words how incredibly stupid that decision was.

- Just to add onto that, Daryl coming out of the shadows was hilarious and it wasn't supposed to be.

I'm going to give the new showrunner a chance to turn things around. I think it's possible.

But as it is right now, The Walking Dead is bad. It isn't flawed, it isn't "dumb but entertaining." It is a bad television show. I really hoped that the finale would be a springboard into the show reinventing itself. It wasn't. It was a standard episode that was filled with bad writing, questionable editing and no vision.

Fucking hell.
 

Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,796
The most amusing thing about some of Rick's closest allies possibly turning on him is that it would shit all over Rick's sudden attempts to fulfill Carl's vision of world peace. lol
 

Parenegade

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,589
As someone that dropped this show halfway through last season, what is a good summary of what happened in the finale? I see that apparently Maggie, Darryl, and Jesus turned on Rick, but I am not sure what that means in the context of the show as I know how the end of All Out War plays out in the comics.

They didn't turn on Rick did I watch the same finale as other people?
 

rainking187

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,150
I get it's his son, but I don't understand why Rick seems to be treating Carl's letters like they're gospel instead of the ramblings of a dying kid that was pretty much a moron on his best day. Should have killed Negan and be done with it. Won't be able to do any of the stuff from the comics people wanted to see without Carl anyways. I honestly had already stopped watching after Carl died, but I tuned in tonight to see if the show would have the balls to kill Negan, and it didn't, so I won't be back next season.
 

Mediking

Final Fantasy Best Boy (Grip)
Member
I get it's his son, but I don't understand why Rick seems to be treating Carl's letters like they're gospel instead of the ramblings of a dying kid that was pretty much a moron on his best day. Should have killed Negan and be done with it. Won't be able to do any of the stuff from the comics people wanted to see without Carl anyways. I honestly had already stopped watching after Carl died, but I tuned in tonight to see if the show would have the balls to kill Negan, and it didn't, so I won't be back next season.

More like Carl's letters saved Rick from becoming a monster and kept him human. He had to come to peace with that and actually build a civilization.
 

Tux_

Banned
Nov 5, 2017
1,345
TBH that could have been the series finale.

I thoroughly enjoyed this entire arc. From Glens death to this finale.

So can we expect Negan, Rick, Michonne vs Daryl Maggie and Jesus?

Seems thats how its gonna gow down.

Never thought I'd ever say that.

Never got that Goku and Jiren tag team, so Rick and Negan will have to do.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
They didn't turn on him or betray him they just wanna kill Negan. That's not a betrayal.

They are literally sneaking behind his back and plotting against him to undo the decision he made by murdering a man -- while the scene was purposefully written with a foreboding tone as Maggie says they're going to "show him" why he was wrong.

That is, factually, turning on him.

Like, the entire point of the scene was to tease season 9 being Maggie and Daryl vs. Rick and Michonne.
 

FUNKNOWN iXi

▲ Legend ▲
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
9,608
I just don't see why Maggie doesn't just off Negan in the middle of the night or whatever while he's in his cell. Lots of people want Negan dead, no one would know who did it.
Middle of the night?? Maggie or Daryl should've walked right the fuck up in that moment and put 8920734234 caps in that motherfucker......

FUCK. THAT. No way I'm letting Rick pull some shit like that after all Neegan did. FUCK. THAT. Now they're gonna contrive some uprising shit instead of handling it right then.......... gtfo with that shit man..
 

Parenegade

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,589
They are literally sneaking behind his back and plotting against him to undo the decision he made by murdering a man -- while the scene was purposefully written with a foreboding tone as Maggie says they're going to "show him" why he was wrong.

That is, factually, turning on him.

Like, the entire point of the scene was to tease season 9 being Maggie and Daryl vs. Rick and Michonne.

I guarantee that isn't what next season is about.
 

Van Bur3n

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
26,089
I found the overall finale to be quite not the best. I had expected a bit more of a brutal final battle similar to that of that mob battle in The Dark Knight Rises. I felt the show was kind of hinting at it given there was all of that talk of being low on ammunition. It would have been neat seeing two groups of humans being so desperate to destroy each other that they have been devolved to such a sorry state that they literally had grab at each others' throats with their bare hands. Instead, it was one sided and we got the typical off-screen shooty shooty bang bang.

I feel after the whole conflicted was over, things started feeling rushed. As if the show was trying to acknowledge as many arcs as possible and close them all up to call it a day. I felt it was rushing itself to cut from one scene of characters to the next to do it all. Here is Maggie talking to dude who wants to totally bone her NEXT here is Rosita and Tera visiting Sanctuary, oh look how quickly they've all become frie- NEXT here is Daryl and Dwight, oh they don't like each other still, get out of here you ugly burnt face man- NEXT uh oh, Maggie and Daryl don't like Negan being alive NEXT alright finally here is Rick and Michonne talking to Negan about his fate NEXT here is Morgan talking about being alone because HE KNOWS WHAT IT IS.

They really could have left a lot of this stuff out and kept the essentials. Negan's fate and Dwight's fate. The two main antagonists and what happens to them. Seeing Sanctuary all pretty and friendly that quickly didn't make sense to me and would have been better to have seen that in the next season, rather than just shoving it in right then and there. We didn't need that Godfather-esque Maggie seen to imply something completely out of character with these characters. I felt it was implied enough that keeping Negan alive leaves Maggie with some bad blood. Leave that tension to start building up next season, not explicitly shove in this moustache-twirling scene with Maggie and Daryl plotting and scheming. And all of the Morgan stuff could have just moved over to Fear.

Overall, I don't think it was very fulfilling. After almost three seasons of this Saviors nonsense, it just didn't pan out well at all.

For the amount of build up they spent on Oceanside, the payoff was very little.

Indeed. They showed up for like one little scene to throw some molotovs and that was it. At only a small group of Saviors at that. Enough Saviors that it didn't even seem necessary to evacuate all of Hilltop. It's another aspect of this finale that really leads me to believe this was rather rushed. I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw Oceanside again, and I would be okay with that because I don't care about them.
 
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SecondNature

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,162
I am so annoyed that the girl with the neck tattoo that ratted out Two-Face got to live.

Im supposed to buy that a bunch of those evil people are suddenly working for the greater good? I dont recall her doing anything worth sympathy