Overwatch League Season 1 Stage 3 |OT| In N Out of Playoffs Contention

Agni Kai · Apr 16, 2018

Man, Dallas Fuel really threw Rascal under the bus. I feel bad for him now, because the signing period is over, so he will most likely have to go back to his home country.

I was a diehard fan of Dallas Fuel during stage 1 mostly due to xQc. Do not get me wrong, I do not like him as a person, but I admire his main tank abilities. I have learned a lot from him over the passing months. When he got released, I didn't have anything to keep me rooting for Dallas, so now I just support LAG due to Fissure.

Jam · Apr 16, 2018

*Hired a Korean player with extremely limited-to-no English language, as well as being very comfortably embedded in Korean culture*

*releases him because he had extremely limited-to-no English language, as well as being very comfortably embedded in Korean culture*

Fuel management decision making is absolutely appalling. Like I can get Rascal might have had issues that made him problematic but at the same time he was a known entity and they knew fine well he couldn't communicate with the others or culturally fit in with their ethos - so why go through the trouble of 'trying' it and then releasing him and pushing him under a bus?

Kyky has to shoulder a lot of the blame of Fuel's situation, but at the same time I fully believe him when he says his hands were tied a lot of the time. Honestly the whole franchise top-to-bottom has people to blame, it's a mess.

At least Shanghai's excuse is they're just straight up ass at the game. Fuel has had talented players come and go.

Also the Seagull situation is difficult, I don't think they straight up 'did the dirty' on him. It wasn't as if they lured him to join the team on false pretences and then whipped up the carpet from underneath him. He knew he was joined an established team in EnvyUs and that he'd have to limit his streaming in order to focus on the team - the whole contract and process is something he agreed upon when he signed with them. He made a conscious decision to be in this position, he chose to be a Professional. Also he seems like a good person who doesn't crave the limelight or attention. He obviously will be frustrated that he isn't playing much but at the same time I don't see him starting fights because he couldn't stream because he had to scrim.

Also it's not even as if xQc obliged to the contract in any way. Through his whole time in the league he always put his streams and community first - they were his priority over his team. And I'm happy to see him sad that he completely blew his opportunity; he is completely to blame. Even now he looks for excuses like how Blizzard should hire people to warn them. Like dude. You're an adult - if you don't know that racism and homophobia are wrong that isn't Blizzard's fault it's yours. I'm honestly not surprised his parents didn't support him either, they know exactly the kind of person he is.

TheChits · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:
Does it still look fun

This is hilarious though incredibly frustrating lol.

antitrop said:
It was awful.

Mariip said:
No, not really, it means you'll get 2winstons 2 tracers 2 lucios every single match

Shake Appeal said:
No. No. No. No. No.

It had novelty value when the game was released, but holy heck it was silly.

Yeah obviously it is a nightmare from a balance/competitive perspective, which would then extend to being a nightmare from a spectator perspective. I realize the current system is much, much, much better and is how it should have been from the jump.

EssBeeVee · Apr 16, 2018

who's ready for the LA Battle Round 3? lol

Schlep · Apr 16, 2018

Jam said:
Also it's not even as if xQc obliged to the contract in any way. Through his whole time in the league he always put his streams and community first - they were his priority over his team. And I'm happy to see him sad that he completely blew his opportunity; he is completely to blame. Even now he looks for excuses like how Blizzard should hire people to warn them. Like dude. You're an adult - if you don't know that racism and homophobia are wrong that isn't Blizzard's fault it's yours. I'm honestly not surprised his parents didn't support him either, they know exactly the kind of person he is.

I actually agree with him on hiring people, because it seemed completely random and punishments for some people were harsher than for other people based on their reputations. There seemed to be no actual rules out there, just very subjective punishments. I don't really pay much attention to xQc, but OWL definitely seems like the wild west when it comes to this.

The_Strokes · Apr 16, 2018

Mariip said:
this makes me like bischu even more, and makes me kinda sad he'll probably be replaced by void... (tho he would have to be a bridge between void and the team so i have no idea what will happen then lol)

Honestly I don't think he'll get replaced by Void. That Fissure statement just revealed how big of a deal he his, and with Void there, he might improve his mechanical skill to make him even more irreplaceable.

Parenegade · Apr 16, 2018

Effect wants out?

Effect wants to beat the Koreans not join them and bring balance to the force?

The Houston Outlaws could use a superstar Tracer player used to a western environment?!

i-hate-u · Apr 16, 2018

Outlaws would probably need to drop Mendo or Clockwork probably for that to happen.

Also, that would probably limit Jake's play, Effect would be 90% time a starter on Outlaws. Effect and Linkzr/Arhan is pretty good duo actually.

It would make me like Houston more if that happens, and even more if FCTFCTN starts over Muma.

Alucrid · Apr 16, 2018

Schlep said:
I actually agree with him on hiring people, because it seemed completely random and punishments for some people were harsher than for other people based on their reputations. There seemed to be no actual rules out there, just very subjective punishments. I don't really pay much attention to xQc, but OWL definitely seems like the wild west when it comes to this.

wasn't he talking about Dallas Fuel hiring people to tell him to knock it off? i mean, yeah, that would have been helpful. on the other hand he's also fucking 22 year old.

Komii · Apr 16, 2018

Dead Prince said:
who's ready for the LA Battle Round 3? lol

Hype!

The_Strokes said:
Honestly I don't think he'll get replaced by Void. That Fissure statement just revealed how big of a deal he his, and with Void there, he might improve his mechanical skill to make him even more irreplaceable.

i really hope so, it seems even iRemiix is taking some notes from Fissure(even tho he has a loooooong way to go and isn't the shotcaller to go, and probably won't get there :s)

Btw i wonder who did shotcalling in that shanghai game?

Schlep · Apr 16, 2018

Alucrid said:
wasn't he talking about Dallas Fuel hiring people to tell him to knock it off? i mean, yeah, that would have been helpful. on the other hand he's also fucking 22 year old.

If he was, I'm not sure what that would help. The league having people would make more sense.

Infi · Apr 16, 2018

i-hate-u said:
Outlaws would probably need to drop Mendo or Clockwork probably for that to happen.

Also, that would probably limit Jake's play, Effect would be 90% time a starter on Outlaws. Effect and Linkzr/Arhan is pretty good duo actually.

It would make me like Houston more if that happens, and even more if FCTFCTN starts over Muma.

Houston should get rid of Clockwork next season. He's a Tracer main yet we use Linkzr and Jake ahead of him on Tracer so he has no point in the team.

I could see Mendo being dropped after Season 1 unless it starts to look like he's getting his issues under control.

That leaves Jake and Linkzr with their limited hero pools and Arhan as our DPS so someone like Effect would be great.

i-hate-u · Apr 16, 2018

What I don't understand about Rascal's release is that they can't trade him or pick up any new player right now, why not bench him even if they don't expect to play him ever? Isn't that what they're doing with Cocco? Why not release him at too while you're at it? How is the Rascal and Cocco sitauation any different?

This is literally nothing but bad PR.

Hero · Apr 16, 2018

I'm not even a Dallas Fuel fan but they just did Rascal completely dirty. Will actively root against the team due to their management.

dr.rocktopus · Apr 16, 2018

i-hate-u said:
What I don't understand about Rascal's release is that they can't trade him or pick up any new player right now, why not bench him even if they don't expect to play him ever? Isn't that what they're doing with Cocco? Why not release him at too while you're at it? How is the Rascal and Cocco sitauation any different?

This is literally nothing but bad PR.

You make logical points

But this is the Dallas Fuel we are talking about

There was gonna be another viewing party this week in Dallas but after this I dunno. I don't want to support this orgs behavior.

frye · Apr 16, 2018

is dallas deliberately trying to tank rascal's value in that press release? what a bunch of snakes

Cappa said:
Dallas fuel players, players on NA ladder, just go on reddit.

i've only seen akm kinda hint at it and no one else, and he seems to be on good terms with his ex-teammates on kdp/london?

TinfoilHatsROn · Apr 16, 2018

i-hate-u said:
What I don't understand about Rascal's release is that they can't trade him or pick up any new player right now, why not bench him even if they don't expect to play him ever? Isn't that what they're doing with Cocco? Why not release him at too while you're at it? How is the Rascal and Cocco sitauation any different?

This is literally nothing but bad PR.

This is the same hastr0 with the current CSGO envyus group so...

coolasj19 · Apr 16, 2018

Parenegade said:
Effect wants out?
Effect wants to beat the Koreans not join them and bring balance to the force?
The Houston Outlaws could use a superstar Tracer player used to a western environment?!

Houston doesn't do ragers. Coolmatt won't have it, lol. But I bet he'd actually be in an environment where he won't tilt every other map. And Effects tilt seems to be more silent rage than anything.

i-hate-u said:
Outlaws would probably need to drop Mendo or Clockwork probably for that to happen.
Also, that would probably limit Jake's play, Effect would be 90% time a starter on Outlaws. Effect and Linkzr/Arhan is pretty good duo actually.
It would make me like Houston more if that happens, and even more if FCTFCTN starts over Muma.

Mendo is getting dropped at the end of the season for sure. He provides little value to the team for his roster slot. But it's good they're treating him well while he's employed with the team. Clockwork is definitely gone too. Team is open to signing Korean players. Season 2 looks good.

Also, willing to admit that I'm not sure Muma is the nicest guy. I get the feeling he's even harsher when he's not on camera. But not in a hateful way. I'm loving what I'm seeing from FCTFCTN but remember that as soon as teams get tape the effectiveness goes down. He'll just be brought down to more reasonable levels is all though.

Komii · Apr 16, 2018

So, Taimou's state of mind right now, thought someone would be interested

Sledge · Apr 16, 2018

Just caught up.

Dallas Fuel are an absolute dumpster fire, you see it in sports all of the time. If you have to release a player that is fair enough, but don't actively try and kill any chance of them finding new employment on their way out of the door.

Fissure seems more amazing the more we hear him talk. He really has a fantastic balanced worldview and manages to discuss the intricacies of playing on an OWL team and adjusting to Western teammates.

I don't blame anyone who wants out of the Fuel right now. It must be such a depressing place to go to work, everyone is in full survivalist mode as well.

Would love me some Effect though, or any competent OWL tier Tracer. Get on it for Season 2 Houston.

LordofPwn · Apr 16, 2018

Mariip said:
So, Taimou's state of mind right now, thought someone would be interested

they should really get him to a sports psychologist and I'd say if Dallas is up 3-0 toss him into the next map and just tell him to have fun. confidence is a huge killer on performance and you're not going to get that back unless you keep taking reps.

DSP · Apr 16, 2018

Taimou said that they might just ignore playing Genji for the time being.

lol this team.

Komii · Apr 16, 2018

LordofPwn said:
they should really get him to a sports psychologist and I'd say if Dallas is up 3-0 toss him into the next map and just tell him to have fun. confidence is a huge killer on performance and you're not going to get that back unless you keep taking reps.

I can relate a lot to his situation tbh... I'm the type of player who tends to put all the blame in myself and it's pretty hard to break that perception and realize you can't fix everything alone... But goddamn I don't think that kind of mindset should happen in pro play, Dallas really fucked up by letting it come to this...

LordofPwn · Apr 16, 2018

milad said:
Taimou said that they might just ignore playing Genji for the time being.

lol this team.

If only they had a player on their bench that is known for their Genji play.

Komii · Apr 16, 2018

LordofPwn said:
If only they had a player on their bench that is known for their Genji play.

With a positive atitude and great flexibility

TinfoilHatsROn · Apr 16, 2018

LordofPwn said:
If only they had a player on their bench that is known for their Genji play.

If only they didn't release their dive duo dps that can play genji and sombra and pharah and junk and tracer and reaper and mei. And also run their bench player on DVA since mickie ain't up to par and they specifically put the bench player on DVA 1 full stage. Oh well, if only...

LordofPwn · Apr 16, 2018

TinfoilHatsROn said:
If only they didn't release their dive duo dps that can play genji and sombra and pharah and junk and tracer and reaper and mei. And also run their bench player on DVA since mickie ain't up to par and they specifically put the bench player on DVA 1 full stage. Oh well, if only...

for whatever reason if a player can play genji they can also play pharah and mei and most seem to be able to also play junk. litterally anyone can play soldier so they need to start training AKM on some other hero.

KarmaCow · Apr 16, 2018

LordofPwn said:
If only they had a player on their bench that is known for their Genji play.

The problem is that Seagull doesn't play Widow or Tracer and his Genji isn't up to par with the rest of OWL. aKm's Genji is worse but he can at least flex to Widow to let Effect stay on Tracer. I could see him being brought in for Junkertown and Oasis for his Junkrat, and maybe Numbani.

optimus8936 · Apr 16, 2018

dr.rocktopus · Apr 16, 2018

Dallas will waste less fuel through weight reduction. It works for cars and planes.

Solidsnakejej · Apr 16, 2018

KarmaCow said:
The problem is that Seagull doesn't play Widow or Tracer and his Genji isn't up to par with the rest of OWL.

Is it though? While he play relatively low minutes on it(~45) he was still in line with the rest on a per 10 ratio.

easter · Apr 16, 2018

that they would drop rascal and keep traimou is mind blowing.

i-hate-u · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:

That's a Y I K E S my doggie.

KarmaCow · Apr 16, 2018

Solidsnakejej said:
Is it though? While he play relatively low minutes on it(~45) he was still in line with the rest on a per 10 ratio.

Hmm I don't remember him standing out though that's just 45 minutes compared to the hours of other players across the season. Still, I think the issue how sniper focused a lot of the maps are in the current rotation.

edit: it looks like there's some padding there since most of that playtime came from playing against the Dragons :p

Komii · Apr 16, 2018

Solidsnakejej said:
Is it though? While he play relatively low minutes on it(~45) he was still in line with the rest on a per 10 ratio.

even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure it would be in no time if he were allowed to scrim

LordofPwn · Apr 16, 2018

Solidsnakejej said:
Is it though? While he play relatively low minutes on it(~45) he was still in line with the rest on a per 10 ratio.

what hero are these stats for or is it purely player stats on every hero?

KarmaCow · Apr 16, 2018

Mariip said:
even if it wasn't I'm pretty sure it would be in no time if he were allowed to scrim

That's true, there are seemingly bigger structural problems with the team than any single player considering they couldn't integrate Rascal and Seagull only got to play in Stage 2 because Taimou was busy literally shitting.

Buttchin-n-Bones · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:

Oh boy

optimus8936 · Apr 16, 2018

EssBeeVee · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:

this won't end well.

Solidsnakejej · Apr 16, 2018

LordofPwn said:
what hero are these stats for or is it purely player stats on every hero?

Just Genji stats from Stage 1.

Yes its biased toward the short playtime but also remember that he wasn't really playing Genji going into OWL.

i-hate-u · Apr 16, 2018

Dead Prince said:
this won't end well.

This is a step in the right direction regardless.

LordofPwn · Apr 16, 2018

Solidsnakejej said:
Just Genji stats from Stage 1.

Yes its biased toward the short playtime but also remember that he wasn't really playing Genji going into OWL.

it would depend on who those 45 mins were against.

TinfoilHatsROn · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:

Isn't there many ways to interpret this tho??

Mobu · Apr 16, 2018

Yeah, Effect can only end on Houston or one of the new Season 2 teams

Soulstoner · Apr 16, 2018

Anyone have twitch all access? Thinking about dipping in for the skins and multiple cameras.

Solidsnakejej · Apr 16, 2018

Soulstoner said:
Anyone have twitch all access? Thinking about dipping in for the skins and multiple cameras.

You can test out the all access stream for free the button command center underneath the stream activates it, its really nothing exciting.

optimus8936 · Apr 16, 2018

"that all the players agreed / participated on"

"Agreed / participated"

"Participated"

"PARTICIPATED"

dr.rocktopus · Apr 16, 2018

optimus8936 said:

Hastr0 gonna pin the fire on Reddit Mods.

"We had hoped that the Reddit Mods could add flexibility to our communication from the team this season. Unfortunately, their commitment to the team did not meet our expectations and the unwillingness to astroturf the sub in order to encourage certain converststion about the team while playing in recent matches became a large distraction," said Rufail.

Tbm24 · Apr 16, 2018

i-hate-u said:
This is a step in the right direction regardless.

Answer questions to reddit is pretty secondary to all of the other shit this guy should be focusing on.

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