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Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA |OT| Adol Christian and Dana's Big Hole
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I mean realistically all their work before a few months ago had to be redone because of print decisions they made. So it's not a huge surprise it's still in poor shape. I'm surprised they released it like this though.
WTF, this seems to actually be true. That's a serious fuckup, especially given how important control precision and responsiveness is in Ys.
Ah, that's not how it was in the PS4 version? I thought it was weird, considering Cold Steel games have 360 degree movement.
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No and that sounds horribly jank and can see it causing major issues in several areas of the game
Hey that doesn't matter, it's only Ys after all. Who needs movement precision in this series
That's XSEED's record.
Falcom had a chance to care. They chose not to.
The game might deserve better, but Falcom does not. You get what you pay for, or you reap what you sow.
Gurumin and Tokyo Xanadu are also solid releases.
This has got to reach Falcom. It's too much.
Yeap, Falcom doesn't seem to care about their reputation in the West. I would say that's a mistake on their part but we shall see I guess.
oh that doesn't like a major issue for a series like Ys haha...
what. the. hell.
Hey, I played part of Ys Origin on a keyboard
It was almost impossible to jump on the first major boss' arms
I completed all the PC Ys 1-7 games with Mouse+Keyboard. No regrets. (Seven is awesome with keyboard when you map Flash Guard to Space.)
To clarify: The source is originally from myself, and was a barely educated guess made from the fact that a certain render target view of the game (4096x1800) did not change regardless of what resolution the game ran in. A large part of the render target view (on the right side) is completely black, so I simply took 1800 * 1.7777777 to get the most likely 16:9 compatible width of it. The view was exposed through Special K.
I hope you can confirm and possibly override it if possible.
NISA underbid XSEED and Falcom doesn't give a shit about their rep in the west.
I believe the common theory is that what sold Falcom on NISA was the idea of a day 1 (lol) pc port, and a (apparently terrible) French translation, which XSEED at the time was unable to provide. They still can't provide the latter, but since then they've gone on to not only get a bunch of Falcom games to pc (Trails of Cold steel 1 and 2, Zwei 1 and 2, among others), but also have the ports be legitimately great.
Whether this will be enough going forward is a mystery.
It's frustrating at both ends really. I know we shouldn't prod reps on here for answers, and I'm sure it's still a bit soon for a comprehensive list of issues or a road map or fixes to be made already, but even in light of those "why devs don't speak to communities" articles I feel that in some cases and at some point there has to be some genuine conversation about how a product and its consumers are going to be respectfully treated. Despite all of the negative feedback and trashing of NISA at the end of the day players just want a working, solid product and companies just want sales built on the back of a good reputation so hopefully people would forgo any excessive toxicity or lack of engagement to reach those end goals.
At the very least I hope communication soon starts on the Steam forum as it does in some other games with launch issues: through a pinned, monitored and updated topic from the developers asking for players to bring up their big issues on top of whatever NISA knows needs to be worked on. Announcing that a thing is going to happen (like say, a delay out of the blue) then going silent doesn't seem like the ideal way to engage, timely updates are crucial in showing that you're staying on top of things and value your consumer base.
I certainly don't envy being a rep after the release of a shaky product but it definitely shouldn't be on the onus of consumers to play cleanup or just take it as it is. Eventually you've gotta represent the good and the bad of what you're pushing and own up to any missteps, assuming higher management even cares enough to allow it. That being said, outside of major press releases, recognition over social media, or addressing the problem directly on the store forums I don't think there's much one should expect from singular reps outside of the knowledge that feedback is getting collected and pushed along for better or worse. More often than not I imagine hands are tied, though it's nice when active transparency leads to results.
Also yeah uh...you should probably be a bit more concerned over the port itself than the Vita costumes lol, especially when enjoying one relies so much on the other even working well to begin with. To each their own though, though I feel like if they were going to show up they'd already be available considering the DLC already present. But hey, they could probably still have plans for it.
I had to check again, but I was remembering correctly: the build I did some minor work on back in September last year did have full analog movement (both direction and speed). I don't know what happened for the release build, but I hope it gets fixed quickly.
Delete NISA.
The crashes and busted controls make it impossible to even play the game, let alone all the other issues.
The crashes and busted controls make it impossible to even play the game, let alone all the other issues.
Those make sense when it gets into harassment about people on the team, but the reaction here is more than understandable (and I know that's what you're saying as well). The game is delayed 8 months only to still have a ton of issues and they're charging full price for it. Like, backlash is inevitable. This is a garbage release.
I'm pretty sure it still worked correctly yesterday as well. Not sure what happened overnight.
And to boot they don't even seem to have started acknowledging bugs and the likes. I don't want to come across as an XSEED shill but Sara and Durante always were right on patching from the first minute.
Kondo really has been losing credit between this and seemingly still not trying to streamline their licensing process. People already are talking about a new email campaign too...
I wasn't sure about that, so I checked what I still had access to, but yeah, I felt that I'd have noticed such a severe problem even though I only gave the most recent build a very short try this weekend. Curious.
I haven't checked the forums yet but I can guarantee that they are already looking into things.
To be fair, the new porting team made really big improvements. Ultimately it comes down to not having enough time to iron out everything... Which seems to be a running theme with this mess. If the release had been a week or two later...
I thought I was going nuts with how the movement felt while running, I see it wasn't my imagination.
Fortunately I didn't pay full price on GOG, so I'm not quite as upset as I would otherwise be, but then again it seems my experiences have been better than others. I haven't experienced any crashes, audio glitches, or controller niggles (besides the bizarre 8-way locking anyway). It seems to be running locked at 60fps with the window is set to 4k(borderless + max settings) but I can't verify if it's actually rendering at that (I will say at distance you can see a lot of jaggies....). Sometimes it doesn't entirely feel like it's a smooth 60fps (maybe some microstuttering or something, I'm not sure?), but it's not a big issue or anything (the 8 way movement thing probably doesn't help since it isn't a smooth directional transition when turning due to it). Either way, it's decently playable, so I guess I got lucky looking at everyone else's experiences.
(PC Specs are 3570k @ 4.2ghz and a 970 GTX for anyone who cares)
Edit: Oh one other bug I came across was the minimap seemed a bit broken? Like it showed things on the map but it didn't show any paths or anything. I don't remember that being a thing on the PS4?
(PC Specs are 3570k @ 4.2ghz and a 970 GTX for anyone who cares)
Edit: Oh one other bug I came across was the minimap seemed a bit broken? Like it showed things on the map but it didn't show any paths or anything. I don't remember that being a thing on the PS4?
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It's terrible management. If you delay a product this long, you have one shot to launch it again. April or May makes no difference, but even if they patch it well now the game is dead in the water.
I have been waiting since September to play this and they still managed to fuck it up wow.
I'm honestly impressed with the level of incompetence like would this game have even started up if it came out back in September?
I miss Xseed the ports for cold steel are excellent and I would have loved to see Ys 8 get port of that quality as it stands I'm just going to pass on playing 8 now which is a real shame since the game looks very fun but all this nonsense has kind of killed my enthusiasm to play.
I'm honestly impressed with the level of incompetence like would this game have even started up if it came out back in September?
I miss Xseed the ports for cold steel are excellent and I would have loved to see Ys 8 get port of that quality as it stands I'm just going to pass on playing 8 now which is a real shame since the game looks very fun but all this nonsense has kind of killed my enthusiasm to play.
All I can say is: just get the PS4 version. I'm very sad to read about these issues the PC version is getting, the game deserves so, so much better.
Yeah that's what I was shooting for, I hadn't clearly remembered the greater context of those articles and extended them to this.
Man I really hope this game gets ironed out, it just ain't right that we're here now.
Well i hope for everyone they are doing something at this point but the point of my post was to show the difference in communication itself, there isn't even an official thread to report bugs and the like on the steam boards yet. that's just sloppy in my book. I really wonder what kind of dirt NISA management has to still hold any position there.
Reading the depot tea leaves, it looks like they're working on a panic rollback to an earlier build.
NISA promised a french translation and lied about a simultaneous PC release.
French version turned out horrible from what I've heard and as for PC well...
Falcom's president also has a personal relationship with NIS' which is the only reason people are still fearful that Falcom wont have learned anything from this and are going to keep giving them work.
I'm glad Falcom is thinking about France because there is definitely a huge JRPG market there (or anything japanese, really) but that clearly wasn't the way to go. Especially when French people are super anal when it comes to translations.
Let's not even talk about the back of the box of the french cover...
It's on every Vita back-cover released in the West, not just the one released in Europe.
Very sad to hear about this amazing game (that was my GOTY last year on PS4) getting a PC port that doesn't work well. First the Gurumin port is broken in fullscreen mode (requiring you to change some settings to even get past the naming screen) and now this port is too. I don't really think NISA acting as if they've done similar things for years though is the best of ideas. (Ys VIII seems to be the only thing people don't care for from them outside of mandatory Criminal Girls edits)
Heck, recently the ports of 25th Silver Case and The Longest Five Minutes were considered to be very solid, so to see this being a one-off disaster due to the the game not being made with PCs in mind is a bit sad. Not too worried about the Switch port as NISJ is in charge of developing that anyhow and impressions seem to be positive for that, but it's really sad the PC version can't even handle a freaking unplugged controller. You'd think they'd regret announcing it for PC at all by this point. Still, it got a heck of a lot more promotion at E3 and other places way more than any of the XSeed Ys Games, so I'm at least happy NISA was able to promote it properly for a change. I also didn't think the initial localization was as godawful as people claimed, though I got a bit irritated at some item descriptions being dead-wrong. I didn't think they had to redo the entire script though, that just seemed petty. Dragon Fang Z and Vroom in the Night Sky still had way, way worse translations, and not many people seem to remember that Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon had an ultra literal translation to a fault, too...
Heck, recently the ports of 25th Silver Case and The Longest Five Minutes were considered to be very solid, so to see this being a one-off disaster due to the the game not being made with PCs in mind is a bit sad. Not too worried about the Switch port as NISJ is in charge of developing that anyhow and impressions seem to be positive for that, but it's really sad the PC version can't even handle a freaking unplugged controller. You'd think they'd regret announcing it for PC at all by this point. Still, it got a heck of a lot more promotion at E3 and other places way more than any of the XSeed Ys Games, so I'm at least happy NISA was able to promote it properly for a change. I also didn't think the initial localization was as godawful as people claimed, though I got a bit irritated at some item descriptions being dead-wrong. I didn't think they had to redo the entire script though, that just seemed petty. Dragon Fang Z and Vroom in the Night Sky still had way, way worse translations, and not many people seem to remember that Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon had an ultra literal translation to a fault, too...
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What a complete joke. Been waiting for this game forever and this is how it turns out? Gtfo NIS.
How did you manage Ys 5? Can't imagine playing a SNES game with KBM, unless it's one of the few games that supported the mouse extension.
I'll save the frustration toward Falcom for when they prove they don't care and continue to work with NISA. We don't know what's going to happen at this point.