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The Academy Award Winning Marvel Cinematic Universe

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ManaByte

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i09 is now claiming the Thanos book is not canon.

Probably because that description spoils the end of Infinity War and the publisher got in trouble.
 
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Just wrapped up my mini-marathon with a rewatch of Thor: Ragnarok. Third time I've seen this since it came out and it's still funny as hell. And despite being mainly a comedy, it's got more poignant moments than I think some people give it credit for. Given the change in director and shift in tone, I had thought this movie would just ignore the first two and do its own thing, but it actually does connect back to the first movies often and ends up feeling like a good wrap-up of the whole trilogy.

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Joe Russo at the Singapore press conference again confirms Avengers 3 and 4 are part of the same story. Wonder when people in the OT will accept that?
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Not sure where you're getting that, that quote says nothing about Infinity War and A4 being two parts of one story.

And the Russos have been beating the drum of the exact opposite. A lot. This is the most recent one:

"It's a complete story. It's got a beginning, middle and an end and the next movie has a beginning, middle and an end, in the same way that Civil War handed off to Infinity War and Infinity War will hand off to the next movie. It's serialised storytelling without question so there is going to be a correlation, narratively, but we really wanted to make two distinct movies. We weren't interested in making one long film and getting out the scissors and cutting the scissors and cutting it in half."
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They were shot one after the other and written together, but this isn't a Harry Potter/Hunger Games/Twilight one-movie-in-two-parts deal either. They and Feige have been pretty explicit in talking up how much different A4 is going to be.
 
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Novels exist, yes. Should comics, I wonder?

Perhaps next revision...
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Looks great!

Problem with adding in the Tie-in comics is that there are a LOT of them. Even if you just put in the collections, there will still be 16 more titles to add.

That said, they should be in there imo.
 
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Blader said:
Just wrapped up my mini-marathon with a rewatch of Thor: Ragnarok. Third time I've seen this since it came out and it's still funny as hell. And despite being mainly a comedy, it's got more poignant moments than I think some people give it credit for. Given the change in director and shift in tone, I had thought this movie would just ignore the first two and do its own thing, but it actually does connect back to the first movies often and ends up feeling like a good wrap-up of the whole trilogy.


Not sure where you're getting that, that quote says nothing about Infinity War and A4 being two parts of one story.

And the Russos have been beating the drum of the exact opposite. A lot. This is the most recent one:


They were shot one after the other and written together, but this isn't a Harry Potter/Hunger Games/Twilight one-movie-in-two-parts deal either. They and Feige have been pretty explicit in talking up how much different A4 is going to be.
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Marvel first announced the two-part Avengers sequel in October of 2014 as part of their big Phase 3 presentation. Both movies were written as a two-parter, and they were still filmed back-to-back over the majority of 2017. But the change to the titling came in 2016, and there may have been another reason behind it.

The original news of the two movies being "very different" came from Uproxx way back in May of 2016:
"The movies are two very different movies," answered Joe.

I then asked if it's misleading having them labeled as "Part 1" and "Part 2"

"It is misleading," said Anthony.

Joe added, "The intention is we will change it, we just haven't come up with the titles yet. But, yes, we will change it. And, yes, that is a scoop: we will retitle them."
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What a lot of people are missing with this is that when they decided to not call them Part 1 and Part 2, the young adult movie adaptation bubble was bursting. After Harry Potter, Twilight, and The Hunger Games movies split their final movie into two parts; the Divergent series fell on its face. The Divergent movie Allegiance released in March of 2016 and flopped hard. The second part of the movie would be cancelled and become a TV series or something.

Two months after that flop, the Russo Bros revealed that the two-part Avengers movie would not be "Part 1" and "Part 2" anymore. Marvel Studios wanted to get as far away from being perceived as following the "split final movie in two parts" fad as possible.

That doesn't mean the story was changed. The movies were still written as two parts of one story. And next week everyone who thinks that Thanos ISN'T the villain in Avengers 4 and the Gauntlet isn't the focus again are going to be in for a shock.
 
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ManaByte said:
What a lot of people are missing with this is that when they decided to not call them Part 1 and Part 2, the young adult movie adaptation bubble was bursting. After Harry Potter, Twilight, and The Hunger Games movies split their final movie into two parts; the Divergent series fell on its face. The Divergent movie Allegiance released in March of 2016 and flopped hard. The second part of the movie would be cancelled and become a TV series or something.

Two months after that flop, the Russo Bros revealed that the two-part Avengers movie would not be "Part 1" and "Part 2" anymore. Marvel Studios wanted to get as far away from being perceived as following the "split final movie in two parts" fad as possible.
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No I get all that. My point is, I don't think the movies were ever written as that kind of two-parter in the first place. I think they were always written as A3 being its thing and A4 being its thing, and linked them together with the Part 1/Part 2 titles because, like you said, that was the fad at the time. When that bubble burst, they dropped the two-parter naming. But I don't think they were actually written the way that Deathly Hallows or Mockingjay or Kill Bill were made as one movie but released as two. If for no other reason then it would be really weird for the Russos and Feige to be repeatedly so emphatic about these two Avengers movies are so distinct from each other and then not have that actually be the case.

That doesn't mean the story was changed. The movies were still written as two parts of one story. And next week everyone who thinks that Thanos ISN'T the villain in Avengers 4 and the Gauntlet isn't the focus again are going to be in for a shock.
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Well sure, but I think that's a little different from the other two-parter movies we're talking about here. I think Infinity War and Avengers will be as linked together as Winter Soldier and Civil War were, or Avengers and Age of Ultron.

Which is to say, one will be a sequel to the other. :P

(And while I'm pretty sure Thanos and the Gauntlet will be the focus of Avengers 4 too -- and not sure anyone has ever really suggested otherwise? -- I'm also sort of half-expecting Thanos to get Snoke'd before the end of Infinity War and A4 to deal with something completely different. But I doubt it.)
 
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Blader said:
(And while I'm pretty sure Thanos and the Gauntlet will be the focus of Avengers 4 too -- and not sure anyone has ever really suggested otherwise? -- I'm also sort of half-expecting Thanos to get Snoke'd before the end of Infinity War and A4 to deal with something completely different. But I doubt it.)
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No, people are convinced Thanos isn't in Avengers 4 because Express UK (as bad as Daily Mail) said he wasn't in Avengers 4 and yesterday Newsarama claimed it's adapting Avengers Through the Ages.
 
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Blader said:
I don't think the movies were ever written as that kind of two-parter in the first place. I think they were always written as A3 being its thing and A4 being its thing, and linked them together with the Part 1/Part 2 titles because, like you said, that was the fad at the time
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That line of thinking doesn't really make any sense.

Why title them Part 1 and 2 if they weren't, at the time, part 1 and 2 of a story?

I think people are making way too much out of some of their comments. I seriously doubt we get to the end of Infinity War and Thanos is defeated. And if that turns out to not be the case, it doesn't matter what they call A4; it'll pretty much be Part 2, just under a much more satisfying title.
 
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They aren't spending a decade building up Thanos, then finishing off Phase 3 with a completely unrelated villain. That makes no sense.
 

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Finishing up my rewatch like most. Just watched Homecoming and noticed Happy mentioned stark having a new prototype shield for Cap
 
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I know they denied that it's going to be called a Infinity Gauntlet, but I'll laugh my ass off in Hall H if that is what it's really called.
 
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Marvel hasn't released a new tv spot in like 2 days. Must've spent pennies on their marketing huh? BOMBA
 
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The only MCU film I haven't seen in its entirety is Incredible Hulk. I doubt I'm missing much.
 
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I did not realize that the MCU had a hangout thread!

I just finished up a full rewatch also, I still enjoy almost all the movies with really just Thor TDW the only one I wasn't looking forward to.
 
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Watching Thor Rag tonight to finish my rewatch. Age of Ultron was a lot better on a rewatch than it was in theaters. Having the benefit of more back story on vibranium in Black Panther improves the movie quite a bit.
 
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Watching Thor Rag tonight to finish my rewatch. Age of Ultron was a lot better on a rewatch than it was in theaters. Having the benefit of more back story on vibranium in Black Panther improves the movie quite a bit.
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AoU is the only film want to re-watch. Maybe I can have a better opinion of it as well.
 
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I want to wear something for Infinity War, but I have no comic book shirts and everything I've seen in real life looks tacky. Where can i get some good shit?
 
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Borshay said:
I like to think of it as
Infinity War = mcu Thanos Quest
A4 = mcu Infinity Gauntlet
I'll not be surprised in the least if A4 is Infinity Gauntlet
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Zoe Saldana accidentally referred to Avengers 4 as "Gauntlet" last year in an interview.

But I will say this: it's crazy that Marvel Studios/Disney has managed to keep the title of Avengers 4 on lockdown like they have.

Edit: Oh. The Gauntlet thing was mentioned above.
 
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Having finished my rewatch of most of* the MCU, my ranking:

*I skipped Incredible Hulk for irrelevance to the subsequent MCU, and Ant-Man for apparent irrelevance to Infinity War in particular; I'll rewatch the latter closer to the sequel anyway

Phase 1

Captain America: TFA
Avengers
Thor
Iron Man
Iron Man 2

Phase 2

Captain America: TWS
Iron Man 3
GotG
Avengers: AoU
Thor: TDW

Phase 3

Black Panther
Thor: Ragnarok
Civil War
GotG2
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Doctor Strange

Overall Best: Tie between TWS and Black Panther, though this could change on another viewing of the latter; Runner-Up: Thor: Ragnarok
Overall Worst: Iron Man 2; Runner-Up: Thor: TDW (undoubtedly the most formulaic and rote sequel the MCU has produced to date, but it still maintains a certain basic level of filmmaking and screenwriting competence that IM2 can't)
Most Underrated: Iron Man 3; Runner-Up: Thor 1 (it feels awfully small given the premise and budget, but does a much better job establishing Asgard and its relationship with Earth than it's generally given credit for)
Most Overrated: Iron Man 1, with no real runner-up; RDJ's performance just doesn't seem as fresh after he's reprised the role so many times, and the post-9/11 military worship and fixation on vaguely Islamic terrorists haven't aged well

Phase 3 has definitely been the most consistently high in quality overall; its weakest film to date, Doctor Strange, is still much, much better than the worst of Phases 1 and 2. I'm sure the 2015 Feige/Perlmutter split isn't the only reason for this, but it can't have hurt.
 
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Borshay said:
I like to think of it as
Infinity War = mcu Thanos Quest
A4 = mcu Infinity Gauntlet
I'll not be surprised in the least if A4 is Infinity Gauntlet
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Call me crazy, but I highly doubt there will be a full movie of Thanos waiting for heroes to come get him, especially after being the star of Infinity War.

I still think there will be a twist of some sort.
 
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Ike says NO MUTANTS ALLOWED...til 2019.
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I know, I'm saying that even if they don't have xmen/fantastic four, they could still do a lot better. like how come Daredevil and other Defender character didn't make it in. it's from netflix show that Ike actually has some say in it. Iron Fist would be a cool character to play as. Quake and Elektra would be cool too
 
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ManaByte said:
Joe Russo at the Singapore press conference again confirms Avengers 3 and 4 are part of the same story. Wonder when people in the OT will accept that?
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It's like people were suddenly incapable of comprehending two part films that weren't explicitly labelled "Part 1 and 2". Since you know Lord of the Rings was titled "Part 1, 2 3" instead of by different subtitles.
All three LOTR films are distinct from one another, they all have beginnings, middles and ends and none simply "stop", but they all lead into the next part of the story. That's presumably the model A3 and 4 are taking.
 
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