No, like....I'm not trying to shit talk you. I'm just saying, much like myself (apparently, I don't see it but whatever), you've answered your own question. It's the literal topic of this thread. But yet you feel the need to ask it anyway. As if we both already don't know the answer.
Well, at least I'm asking things without calling people dense, or like spman2099 trying to pin potential racism acceptance on people in a roundabout way. I don't mind people feeling the need to ask me things they think they already know the answer to. I pretty much respond to everyone that talks to me.
Yes, debating about things people are totally set in stone around/feel emotional about can lead to emotions running high, anger, frustration and so on. Sometimes even disgust/hate of others. As I said this is a forum, you're going to come up across lots of diverse opinions that aren't the same as yours. Considering Morrigan has pointed it out and linked it multiple times, I know you and others are in a community topic saying people you've not directly named have made you not want to take part in this topic. Okay, I said sorry earlier to the OP if they feel their
original idea for the topic has gone to areas they didn't plan for. However, I personally think 22 pages of a debate is quite healthy for a forum, and I'm sure some are reading along and having "fun". You're never going to create such a fiercely debated topic such as this and have 22 pages of nodding and agreeing. The best you can hope for is people read, some might learn and at the end of the day, maybe some just have fun arguing about things. Arguing can be about fun, it doesn't always have to be about literally converting every dissenting view to yours over to your side. I know you'll know all of that, but it goes without saying this has been the bedrock of forums since they existed. 25,000+ people aren't all going to agree with each other, and even want to be friends. I don't think anyone
has 25,000 friends! It's just worth everyone always being reminded an avatar is another human being, and a disagreement of opinion isn't necessarily someone saying they don't like you.
I argue and debate for myself, that much should be obvious. I enjoy it. I type very quickly, like scarily quickly, and yes this can lead to long posts. On a forum where some complain about one-liner drivebys and shitposts, then others complain about
having to read walls of text, you can't win. For disclosure, I'm not running off to communities or private messaging apps and saying "this poster is X and I hate them". Occasionally, people PM me, but I don't care for moaning much about people I don't know. That's just my personality. Surprisingly, I actually relish being around people who think differently than me and engaging in heated debates with them. Always best to try and get to know people, even those you might disagree with. There's the crux of the issue on most forums, you don't really know who you're talking to, other than an avatar and some of the opinions they might share. Community topics and private messaging tend to exist on forums to create safer spaces. I don't mean that in a detrimental way. Having a timeout amongst a group of people who think like you are obviously part of relaxing as a human. It's less stressful to be around company that heavily think alike. That's usually how people choose actual friends.
I think there are lots of people who can be immature and downright hostile in topics like this. I don't disagree there. Take a look across the internet at any article about sex in gaming and see 1,000+ replies around SJWs, feminism, etc. That's sad. I would hope for as much as I know I make "enemies" on forums because people don't like what I say at times, they know I do not behave like that. Psychology is my line of study, and yes, as much as I'm an emotional person, personally, sometimes when it comes to science/biology/psychology I can be a little more stats, evidence and facts based. Politically I'm very liberal as well, to the point where as long as others aren't hurting anyone I don't care
too much what they do in their personal lives. I completely accept and understand how people use fantasy, and fantasy isn't necessarily an endorsement of personal behaviour. I'm more interested in knowing WHY people might do certain things/watch/play/etc, what makes their brain tick, what's the evidence for it and so on. Rather than me implying moral implications of what people do in their bedrooms or behind closed doors.
Education and understanding is always more important to me, as often I think that actually naturally raises the social behaviour and acceptance of others to higher levels. Hence why discussions around male aggression, anti-social behaviour, threats and toxic masculinity routinely have me arguing about understanding why these men may be behaving how they are, and trying to highlight the role of early education to try and combat some of it going forward. More so than me being the kind of poster who just stops in to say "what a bunch of fucking assholes, fuck them all". I don't think there's anything
wrong with people posting like that if it's about twitter/youtube abusers, I'm just trying to highlight how my brain ticks. I want to know why they're doing it, what trends follow them around, their social and personal status, their education, their parent upbringing, etc, and then cross-correlate that with attempted solutions to tackle people in positions many of them often are (low-status males/incredibly bitter and angry at the world/lacking in confidence/hating and resenting women because they have unsuccessful love lives/etc).
spman2099 also criticised me for saying all the above meaning I'm being "too neutral", but okay, I take that on board. Hopefully the above shows I know my intent is more about how brains tick, than making more personal or emotional statements. Given me also saying I don't particularly care too much about what people get up to in their personal lives, obviously sexual content may not disgust or offend me as much as others. I know that's a bias of mine due to the liberal stance I take. Ironically, sexualised video game content doesn't do much for me personally, I'm just not that personally impacted by it. I know that immediately makes some want to say "oh that's because you're a male and you don't give a shit about women", but that is sometimes the knee-jerk kind of personality hits I find quite belittling on a forum at times. I understand others feel differently from me, and that's absolutely fine. Me challenging some of these people doesn't mean I disagree with their right to speak and criticise, or that I even completely disagree with their opinion, I just like debating and figuring out what makes their brains tick and why it might be different than mine. I've routinely said in most of these conversations I WANT more diversity in the gaming industry, and a large part of that is within games development. Having people that actually make the games, if they can get financial backing, be diverse in thought and opinion, will naturally mean more games will be attempted to be created that aren't all carbon copies of each other.
Me believing that though doesn't mean I don't feel a nuanced understanding of why large parts of this industry safely cater for male gamers and it works, sales-wise, should be attempted to be discussed. Gamers are just sexist and only care about tits and don't like women's voices doesn't quite do it for me. I think it's a bit more complex than that, when discussing tens of millions of people, even if that sentence
does apply to some gamers. I think you'll hopefully find most male gamers in this topic aren't from the women-hating/sexist camps, hence why their opinions around sexuality and why they like it might not be mirroring with pre-conceived beliefs to like Quiet (or other examples) must imply something about your personality/treatment of women. I've asked a few such gamers in here to elaborate on why they like visual sexual stimulation in games, and they have. None of it on face value was I see women as lesser than me and/or women are just tits and ass for my pleasure. I don't know them personally to confirm how they behave in real life, but the answers they gave are all the information I have to go on.
